Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

[strobox88]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Well we do know that this year you can start an Association at any time during the season with the real stats calculated up until that time you start it, so with that said, I'm sure they've been addressing some stuff that plagued the mode last year. One more week...

[haloofduty]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Last year we had a association thread complaining about the same thing. No association improvements. Simballer came in the thread and told us we should calm down and wait to play the game. He was leading us to believe that they fixed the bugs we were complaining about. I believed him because 2k has stated the association is his baby. The game released and nothing was fixed. There were even added bugs.

So when we all seen there were no improvements and added ones there was another association thread. This thread was a plea to fix the bugs that plagued association in the upcoming patch. 2k wouldn't even acknowledge us or the problems. A patch came and association was neglected yet again. They could have at least fixed the added bugs like the starters mpg bug.

Now some are saying well they added total sim control so they done something. Well lets not forget they added the pointless David Stern cut scene for the draft. They did something last year but it was very very minor and was not what we wanted. I don't understand how are you going to add a cut scene to a flawed draft without tweaking the draft.

My point is don't expect anything regardless of what is being said. That will be another setup for disappointment. LD2K and Ronnie are saying they are trying to get a association insight. They could be idk but lets not forget Simballer flat out made us believe that they fixed association. Wasn't association suppose to be his baby? Well I guess since he is neglecting it game protective services came and took association away. LD2K and Ronnie may be good dudes but don't set yourself up for a big disappointment. Remember 2k big announcements. How many IF ANY were big?

I agree with other posters. All I wanted from 2k was a working association out of box. Not to wait for a patch that might not even address association like last year. Hopefully 2k surprises us.

[yellow86]

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I totally agree with all of you who say it hasn't changed, there's too many bugs and I hate how they ignore this mode. Association hasn't made any significant changes ever since I started playing NBA 2k2. They tried things like in 2k4 / 2k5 where players would ask about their minutes and such. For the rest, nothing has been added that made any significant impact whatsoever.

To the guy who thinks nothing more can be added, go pick up Fifa and you'll see. It's so simple to make association a great mode that every type of player could enjoy (sim gamers, management gamers, str8 up ballers etc.).

Even a simple thing like adding goals for a coach to achieve would make it more of a challenge and realistic. For example, Leslie Alexander (Rockets owner) expects to make the playoffs each year. Knowing this, 2k could make it hard when you choose the Rockets, i.e. goals are high even with a young roster though you get time (JVG 4 years, Adelman 4 years). This could be optional as in 2k you are able to make te decision to fire a coach which is not in Fifa.

What would also make it interesting is control of non-basketball things like the arena, price of tickets and such. That way you could influence how many people will show up and you feel the reward of having sell out crowds.

Total simulation control is great but should've been implemented years ago. Simulation was terrible as far as scores and stats of players and strategy was concerned.

Also something simple as having the ability to sign more than 15 players, non-guaranteed contracts / partially guaranteed like camp invitees and such. That way, they could maybe for the first time ever in a basketball game get the roster right at the start of training camp. I seriously cannot understand why they won't just release it half october and have the roster set at the beginning of october (start of training camp).

2k has problems getting the roster right as it is but it shouldn't be a huge challenge. Look at the Rockets roster for example, since last year and draft night they have had Greg Smith, Fortson and Livingston - none of these are there. It's so frustrating to buy a game and then having to wait on a roster update from 2k, we are lucky some gamers do it voluntarily. The roster is not just limited to association but I won't seriously start association which can go on for several seasons when the starting rosters are not correct.

There's so much more that needs to be addressed in association, even minor tweaks or additions that could make it so much better yet they continue to ignore it because 2k rather focusses on getting the most sales, i.e. trying to appeal to casual gamers, and have all these modes than to go deep and really please hardcore gamers. Fifa has done both but the difference is they got association right from the start, then added more things and more modes, the latter to appeal to a more diverse crowd.

[kjjnesb]

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Well lets not forget they added the pointless David Stern cut scene for the draft.

Awww man!! If they a least made his long winded intro and end of the round speech skip able I'd consider it an improvement lol

That was very poor design and was obviously made for myplayer's sake.It was especially annoying when you had to reload the draft because the CPU decided to make some random unnecessary trade during the draft and you had to listen to Sterns speak again.

Btw why did turning off CPU trades not stop the CPU from trading in the draft? Did we ever get a patch for that or anything??

[Pitfighter87]

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I'm just curious and don't feel like reading everyone else's post -- what things do you think they need to add to association mode? I'm a big association guy and I think they don't need to add much of anything -- I rather for them to fix what they have before venturing into something else that will probably need to be tweaked to perfection.

Id like to see smarter AI.Someone on here just said it the stupid AI during the draft or FA is crazy and makes you have to control all 30 teams for a good experience and even then the ability to control the league is broken esp the free agent period.

Id like to see some kind of monthly show breaking down stats,standings,award races etc.College hoops did this with 300+ teams and did it EVERY WEEK so the NBA should be easy to do once a month with 30 teams.

Add the ability to move teams,change tickets prices etc.Have it where you have to play the Owner/Gm role.Remember the old maddens?

Not all theses have to be added in one game but atleast give us somethin new instead of the same mode untouced for the past 3 years.

[HowDareI]

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You can't be serious.

Well I'm saying this as a hardcore 2K player..just not a hardcore association player. So I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell it's pretty much completed. They have all the lineup changes, resigning options, strategies, practices, scouting, etc..what else could there possibly be?
Do you want people to grow facial hair and put on weight? Seriously..most people want online/myplayer improved, so that's what they focused on.

[kjjnesb]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Well I'm saying this as a hardcore 2K player..just not a hardcore association player. So I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell it's pretty much completed. They have all the lineup changes, resigning options, strategies, practices, scouting, etc..what else could there possibly be?
Do you want people to grow facial hair and put on weight? Seriously..most people want online/myplayer improved, so that's what they focused on.

I'm guessing you missed the last 5 post about the bad AI and that also effects myplayer as well...

[ffaacc03]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

I'm guessing you missed the last 5 post about the bad AI and that also effects myplayer as well...

Not to mention we cant:

- promote/demote/create coaches
- see multiteam trades initiated by the AI (only by HUM) when the logic has been there for more than half a decade
- edit all the variables that drastically affect both sim stats and gameplay, such as chemestry, coaches efficiency (hidden ratings), draft picks trading values, team moods (rebuilding, buying, etc ...)
- enjoy of a bugless stats screen (at least for the last 2 years)
- enjoy of an integral translation of edits from the main roster screen once starting the mode, like we had in all titles prior 2k11 (rotation asigments, player roles, etc)
- enjoy of the cyber faces permeating all instances of the mode/game, like when presenting the ingame starting 5 we are instead shown the "hated/cant stand them" black sylhouttes for caps or generated rookies
- enjoy an expanded scope of the sim engine stats results that accounts for historic stats that allow us to see 12+ assists, 20+ rbs and 4+ blks players and teams with less than 20 wins and more than 67 Ws.
- enjoy inviting an online friend onto our ongoing associations, ala 2k10

OA wise, we cant:

- enjoy of a multifunction dedicated website such as we were used to prior 2k12
- have total control of it, be it that we were OA creators or administrators
- enjoy of custom rosters nor custom draft classes


... and this is just a summary since i dont want to be seen as the guy who happens to say the same things on every thread, therefor trolling ... there is plenty, and I mean PLENTY of things that can be added or fixed to make this mode even better ... and so happens that in the last few years, we have seen other modes get the love but a tyny part of that has yet to come into Association.

Anyways, (for now) I choose to give 2k the benefit of the doubt and I am eagerly awayting for the written insight. Eric is the one to thank for all the goods in this mode and am confident that he wont let us down for a third year in row, presenting us added features, expanded editability and specially, corrected bugs/glitches.

Please LD2k, get us the insight !

[haloofduty]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Do you want people to grow facial hair and put on weight?

That would be so cool.

[HowDareI]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Not to mention we cant:

- promote/demote/create coaches
- see multiteam trades initiated by the AI (only by HUM) when the logic has been there for more than half a decade
- edit all the variables that drastically affect both sim stats and gameplay, such as chemestry, coaches efficiency (hidden ratings), draft picks trading values, team moods (rebuilding, buying, etc ...)
- enjoy of a bugless stats screen (at least for the last 2 years)
- enjoy of an integral translation of edits from the main roster screen once starting the mode, like we had in all titles prior 2k11 (rotation asigments, player roles, etc)
- enjoy of the cyber faces permeating all instances of the mode/game, like when presenting the ingame starting 5 we are instead shown the "hated/cant stand them" black sylhouttes for caps or generated rookies
- enjoy an expanded scope of the sim engine stats results that accounts for historic stats that allow us to see 12+ assists, 20+ rbs and 4+ blks players and teams with less than 20 wins and more than 67 Ws.
- enjoy inviting an online friend onto our ongoing associations, ala 2k10

OA wise, we cant:

- enjoy of a multifunction dedicated website such as we were used to prior 2k12
- have total control of it, be it that we were OA creators or administrators
- enjoy of custom rosters nor custom draft classes


... and this is just a summary since i dont want to be seen as the guy who happens to say the same things on every thread, therefor trolling ... there is plenty, and I mean PLENTY of things that can be added or fixed to make this mode even better ... and so happens that in the last few years, we have seen other modes get the love but a tyny part of that has yet to come into Association.

Anyways, (for now) I choose to give 2k the benefit of the doubt and I am eagerly awayting for the written insight. Eric is the one to thank for all the goods in this mode and am confident that he wont let us down for a third year in row, presenting us added features, expanded editability and specially, corrected bugs/glitches.

Please LD2k, get us the insight !

I guess you're right, and I would also assume the things you want fixed are the same things that turned me away from association. I just accepted the fact that maybe they don't have the memory to implement all of them features onto this-gen's game. I'm not all technical though so idk.

[HowDareI]

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That would be so cool.

Nba Live had that before; your players would hit a growth spurt..I remember Josh Smith grew to a legit 7 feet and I started him at Center..but it's pretty unrealistic.

It would be cool if you could tell someone like Thad Young he needs to bulk up in the offseason, and he comes back 235 lbs and gains strength/lowpost d..something like that.

[Basketball GURU]

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Hopefully they fix the stat glitch and the tendency issue.

[Caveman24]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

OA simple improvements
-let us change jerseys lock home jerseys if away and vice versa(limit throwbacks hate when people used to wear there throwbacks every game)

-3 team trades

-Spectator mode(doubt this will happen maybe next gen)

-All-Star/Rookie-Sophomore game Team-Up literally no use of OA all-star weekend give us something to try

-Import draft classes

-Fix stat bugs,minutes,etc

Theres more but 2k is focusing on Legends and MyPlayer so if those simple things are added for OA it will be perfect

[Caveman24]

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Association Improvements

-take out fake head coaches implement former or assistant hc such as JVG,Kurt Rambis,some assistants waiting in the wings Brian Shaw etc

-have a team logic Lakers,Heat,Thunder,Boston are contenders Hawks Nuggets middle of the pack and Bobcats,Pistons are re-building(this will help with the draft,horrible free agency,trade logic)

-set ticket prices,food stands etc because how do you show me my revenue and not allow me to determine how much I'm getting the prices will affect attendance etc.

-Fix stat glitches etc

Now how simple was that 2k alot of guys are asking for to build arenas and move state to state im not just simple improvements and little touches here or there we know you neglect us for MyPlayer =(

[vrock627]

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Nba Live had that before; your players would hit a growth spurt..I remember Josh Smith grew to a legit 7 feet and I started him at Center..but it's pretty unrealistic.

It would be cool if you could tell someone like Thad Young he needs to bulk up in the offseason, and he comes back 235 lbs and gains strength/lowpost d..something like that.

the weight room training during the offseason increases their weight and strength