Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

[Phreezy P]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

I have no idea how half court shots have to do with anything, and quite frankly, I don't even want to know.

[MarvinOida]

I have no idea how half court shots have to do with anything, and quite frankly, I don't even want to know.

Actually if you post up from anywhere beyond the three point line you can hit Rim 95% of the time, sometimes hit the shot. It's cheese and it could be fixed.

[VDusen04]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

On those super forced attempts that seem to slide the defender backward as the dunker progresses into them, perhaps this would be a better outcome:

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[plzwork12]

You're comparing self alley-oops which are rarely happen(on a per season basis) to half-court shots which probably(on average) happen at least once a game. Either way you spin it, you made a horrible comparison.

No. I don't even feel like explaining this again but I will. spring stated that self alley oops should not be in the game because they are rarely attempted. I said, using his logic, that half court shots should not be able to go into the basket a count as a score, to show the flaw in his argument. Just because something rarely happens does not mean that it should not be in the game. Do you understand what I mean?

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[blues rocker]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

What if it was only included in a dunk package specific to JaVale McGee and could only be executed when on a one-on-zero fast break?

Yeah, this is the way they should've handled it.

In real life, you almost NEVER see players do self alley-oops, let alone in the half court. Allowing self alley-oops at will in the half court is coming dangerously close to street ball NBA Jam territory. I mean come on - in real life how many times a year do you see a player do a self alley-oop in an NBA game? once, maybe twice in a whole season...but in this game you can do it multiple times in the same game, and even worse, in half court situations.

[jaosming]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

Yeah, this is the way they should've handled it.

In real life, you almost NEVER see players do self alley-oops, let alone in the half court. Allowing self alley-oops at will in the half court is coming dangerously close to street ball NBA Jam territory. I mean come on - in real life how many times a year do you see a player do a self alley-oop in an NBA game? once, maybe twice in a whole season...but in this game you can do it multiple times in the same game, and even worse, in half court situations.

At the same time, how often do we see the posterizing jams, super deep threes, euro steps and spin dunks/layups. They happen more often than the self-oops, but no where near as often as they do in a game of 2K....which is the point, to be entertained by a video game.
I understand sim, but you cannot always factor in the user not wanting to try this every possession. I do think it needs to be penalized more though, this is my montage of every attempt I did in 4 online demo games last night.
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Only missed one. And granted, only one or two had the defender "slide" out of the way and not collide, but these poor guys couldn't do anything to stop these attempts......

....just gotta protect that foul line area until 2K patches the success rate, unless it's fixed on the disc.

[plzwork12]

On those super forced attempts that seem to slide the defender backward as the dunker progresses into them, perhaps this would be a better outcome:

Yup, this is more like it. rather than taking it out of the game, have it very hard to pull off. If people want to spam it, it should simply stop being effective.

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[MeloNYK7]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

At the same time, how often do we see the posterizing jams, super deep threes, euro steps and spin dunks/layups. They happen more often than the self-oops, but no where near as often as they do in a game of 2K....which is the point, to be entertained by a video game.
I understand sim, but you cannot always factor in the user not wanting to try this every possession. I do think it needs to be penalized more though, this is my montage of every attempt I did in 4 online demo games last night.
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Only missed one. And granted, only one or two had the defender "slide" out of the way and not collide, but these poor guys couldn't do anything to stop these attempts......

....just gotta protect that foul line area until 2K patches the success rate, unless it's fixed on the disc.

I'M SCARED TO GO ONLINE.... PLEASE 2k DEVs FIX THIS!!

[Thelorn]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

As long as the CPU doesn't abuse it I'm good. I won't use it unless a breakaway and even then I doubt it. Feel bad for you online players as this will be abused to the max in ranked games.

[Sundown]

Sigh contact should cause dunks to fail or go into a contact layup with a likelihood that matches the difficulty of the dunk package.

Self alley oops should be rated extremely difficult. And because you no longer have the ball in your hand during contact to lay it up, it's an automatic fail. Problem fixed.

Only posterizers should be able to dunk on others in traffic with any consistency, and even then, only for the easier dunks.

[NINJAK2]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

Sigh contact should cause dunks to fail or go into a contact layup with a likelihood that matches the difficulty of the dunk package.

Self alley oops should be rated extremely difficult. And because you no longer have the ball in your hand during contact to lay it up, it's an automatic fail. Problem fixed.

Only posterizers should be able to dunk on others in traffic with any consistency, and even then, only for the easier dunks.

Self-Alleys and plethora of offensive rebounds were my biggest problem with the demo. Self-alley is one of those animations 2k has that has a tendency to disregard defender presence where that force field has a tendency to show up and push people away. Don't think they should totally gut it, just fix it so defenders/contact is acknowledged..Can't view videos in this thread but have only seen T-Mac(Orlando) do an off the backboard dunk in a game(Once in all-star game and one in regular season game)People were in the paint both times I believe but it should not be automatic.

[smace767]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

self alley oop success rate is too high. Its easier to score on a break with a self alley oop then it is to take it too the rack.

You can see it coming and you cant affect the animation in anyway. No charge, no swat of the self pass. Some of the shots/ dunks can once in a blue not go in. but its less of what the defender did and more on the shot.

everybody should not be able to throw a self alley oop. it should take a high skill of some type to be successful. hope they fix this. MyTeam is a mode a really want to get into and the self alley oop / spin move might take some shine off that mode.

[bakan723]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

I tried the demo online for the first time and someone did it to me twice in the first couple of minutes. I had to just shut it off at that point and think to myself that they're making this stuff for the kiddies. Felt really clunky, unresponsive and way too animation driven anyway. Oh well.

[MustangMan]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

why would they not just have it for the all star game or street... they should make all star game more showy (not regular games) just like it is in real life... I dont get their thinking except pleasing the kids.

[papaey]

Re: Is the Self Alley-Oop an Issue?

i think it would be better if the self alley oop is automatic.available for selected players only.include it in there dunk packages.imho that is.