The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

[TheKasmar]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

EXACTLY. It is so frustrating when I am playing online against another player on Pro difficulty and I put my players on tight and deny ball defense, yet they are int he paint while the 3pt marksman they are guarding is jumping up and down calling for the ball and drains the 3 in their face. Or when I am sunning back guarding ball on a fast break and the wing defenders drop into the paint for no reason, I KNOW the other guy is going to pass to the trailer for 3, but there is no way I can control both players. When I try, the man guarding the PG just turns and lets him run by, CONSTANTLY.

I cannot control all 5 players unfortunately, and on PRO difficulty 4 of them will have HORRIBLE defense. I can't do much about that.

Where is your defensive pressure and crash boards set at? Make sure you set double teams to never. If you're leaving these settings on default that might be the issue. Also, have you tried calling a halfcourt press?

[sword1986]

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You can''t play tight and deny ball on everybody. You have to use strategy, you have to use help defense on drivers.

Look at this situation - you have play tight and deny ball on everyone. The Lakers spread the floor on you ... Kobe gets passed you, there is no help D because he is too busy Deny Ball on someone like Kendrick Perkins who isnt a good shooter.

You have to sag off some people .... Tyson Chandler, you can sag off completely and moderate him and only pursue if he is by the paint. the defender sagging off Chandler you can use that as your off-ball help. remember to play On Ball 99% of the time, and that 1% you get your help into position. once he drives on you, you switch over to your help - intense D, right stick, stuff him.

If you're playing the Heat and they have Battier on offense, put in a very good rebounder on him. I usually have Kris Humphries or Reggie Evans at PF and every time i miss a shot, i will get a lot of offensive boards .... did i mention Gerald Wallace is also on the court sometimes with them and he has in his signature skills SCRAPPER (wins loose ball, boxout, and rebound battles).

you have to use STRATEGY to win in this game. i admit, some animations and contact needs a patch but if you play straight up basketball, look at the ratings, think of a game plan, you will win. cheesers have no chance this year.

[AllStarDaDon]

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Thanks a lot, DaDon. It looks like you're the new Czar this year haha. You helped big time, my defense is a lot better. The entire time I would put "Switch" on guys like Monta Ellis, Kobe, etc because i figured switch cause they were mad fast guys. I would put GO OVER to sluggish shooters like Kyle Korver, Jimmer Fredette. Now I see it translate in game, when the guy i was playing dribbled around with Chase Budinger, i saw the switch and was like yeah that makes sense ....

I beat two Laker cheesers online, in a row. Not really big by a big deficient, because i feel like Pro/Default handicaps me big time. and gives the user like a comeback code but in the end I won. On one play particullary .... Pau Gasol got an offensive rebound, he went to do that 'inside shot' animation, i actually DISRUPTED him. dont ask what i did, i was just snappin the right analog stick and he went into an animation. i wish we had more of that contact, because i think that is the main problem with the points in the paint, triggering that specific contact animation.

oh well a patch will help out, but AllStarDaDon thanks again man. i can finally make cheesers pay. they will have some wins though because it is after all on Pro/Default. but the good thing about it being on Pro/Default, it is a lot tougher to play defense AND when the switch to All Star/Sim happens (hopefully its sim). i am going to be a top tier defender online. CANT WAIT.




By the way - do you know how to do that disrupt animation. when the CPU gets an offensive rebound, it does an inside shot animation where they scoop. i was able to disrupt Pau Gasol online, but i do not know how to recreate it. is it intense D or something?

Thanks for the props man, glad that I could help.

Everyone bitching defense is broking when they just don't know how to properly play defense. I can't blame though not everyone knows basketball in depth.

I said that they fail to get back after a SCORE, not a rebound.

The same logic applies.

if you have crash boards high, your team will still try and focus on rebounding. Doesn't matter if it's make or miss, if it's up they will focus on rebounding.

If it's low only your PF and C will focus on rebounding. Your wing players will focus on getting back on defense.

You do know teams can push the ball up the court on makes or misses? What you said in your post makes no sense son. Regardless depending on where your crash boards sliders are they will either crash the boards(leaving you giving up a ton of fastbreak points) or get back on D(they will get back on defense in time to stop the fastbreak)

Take it with a grain of salt fellas, if you read or watched any of the videos I posted in the last 2 pages, it will help you. And put a rest to most of this defense is broke complaints.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I have been a loyal fan of 2K since the first game on Dreamcast. MyCareer is unplayable because of the inability of your team to run plays, MyTeam is unplayable for me because of all of the purchased superstar teams and online games being on Pro difficulty, and association doesn't give VC to try to make the other modes enjoyable.

I mostly purchased this for MyCareer and MyTeam and I can't play either of those AT ALL right now, so this game is useless to me at the moment, while I played 2K12 all year.

Basically summed up everything wrong with the game.

[killakrok]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Where is your defensive pressure and crash boards set at? Make sure you set double teams to never. If you're leaving these settings on default that might be the issue. Also, have you tried calling a halfcourt press?

Defensive pressure is all the way up, crash boards all the way down or at 25%

You can''t play tight and deny ball on everybody. You have to use strategy, you have to use help defense on drivers.

Look at this situation - you have play tight and deny ball on everyone. The Lakers spread the floor on you ... Kobe gets passed you, there is no help D because he is too busy Deny Ball on someone like Kendrick Perkins who isn't a good shooter.

I don't need to worry about drivers, that isn't the problem. My defenders just don't go anywhere their man as the PG brings the ball up court even though they are able to do so. It isn't a matter of them being out of position or covering the drive, they just sit in the paint and watch as the ball is passed to their man for a wide open 3.

I use play tight and deny ball on SG and SF shooters, and usually have PF and C on sag off or moderate, but that doesn't matter since drivers arn't the problem, my defensive players just don't get anywhere near their man.

I know about defense in real life and 2K, I have been playing the game for over 10 years. It is probably a matter of sliders or this years defensive mechanics are just different, but I can't do anything about the sliders if every game I play online is on Pro difficulty where the defensive AI on my team is set up to not play defenseso the game is easier for causl players to handle.

[sword1986]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I am now on an 8 game win streak. I have a few more tips for playing defense in 2K.

I just beat this guy online who was using the Lakers, yes another blow out .... I haven't played a full game with anyone, maybe one person who didn't quit and the score was pretty ugly.

Anyway, if a big online has the ball - you take one of your help guys like I will usually use Gerald Wallace and continuously press the Steal button (square on PS3). Bigs do not have good handles or ball security so you will get an easy steal. Don't try stealing with one of your bigs because they usually have a very low Steal Rating - you will get a reach in foul. this is effective for people who use the Lakers and give the ball to Dwight Howard. if he is backing u up in the post, get your help and swipe clean.

[scoonie05]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I am now on an 8 game win streak. I have a few more tips for playing defense in 2K.

I just beat this guy online who was using the Lakers, yes another blow out .... I haven't played a full game with anyone, maybe one person who didn't quit and the score was pretty ugly.

Anyway, if a big online has the ball - you take one of your help guys like I will usually use Gerald Wallace and continuously press the Steal button (square on PS3). Bigs do not have good handles or ball security so you will get an easy steal. Don't try stealing with one of your bigs because they usually have a very low Steal Rating - you will get a reach in foul. this is effective for people who use the Lakers and give the ball to Dwight Howard. if he is backing u up in the post, get your help and swipe clean.

Steal spamming is not an tip, that's a problem, mainly of the biggest problems playing online. SMH. They need more reach in fouls called

[sword1986]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Steal spamming is not an tip, that's a problem, mainly of the biggest problems playing online. SMH. They need more reach in fouls called

If your opponent is dribbling around with Dwight Howard, then he deserves to have the ball ripped from him. Steal spam is ideal in those situations. am i going to standby trying to put a body infront of Dwight as he attacks the basket? You might, but im not.

[MVP9072]

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Yeah it's non existent in this game except when im on offense ( MyCareer ) they play like some legends.

[TeddyKGB]

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One thing that really drives me nuts is the refusal of the middle man in the back line of a 2-3 zone to step up and challenge shots in the paint. For this reason, I often find myself having to take control of this man and play off-ball.

[magic247]

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Hopefully they'll give us sim players a decent patch this month. It kinda sucks that you get all excited to play the demo, then the game, and when it finally arrives there's a huge problem...No Paint Defense.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I am now on an 8 game win streak. I have a few more tips for playing defense in 2K.

I just beat this guy online who was using the Lakers, yes another blow out .... I haven't played a full game with anyone, maybe one person who didn't quit and the score was pretty ugly.

Anyway, if a big online has the ball - you take one of your help guys like I will usually use Gerald Wallace and continuously press the Steal button (square on PS3). Bigs do not have good handles or ball security so you will get an easy steal. Don't try stealing with one of your bigs because they usually have a very low Steal Rating - you will get a reach in foul. this is effective for people who use the Lakers and give the ball to Dwight Howard. if he is backing u up in the post, get your help and swipe clean.

Im just curious about how you use your right stick on D. WHat situations do you use it?

[Smirkin Dirk]

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And there is something laughable watching Ibaka unable to block a Rip Hamilton lay up.

The blocking in this game is a joke.

[SOM3ROiD]

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I don't know about you guys, but I believe that it's ok that we have to adjust the sliders over and over 'till we get the gameplay that's ok and somewhat realistic, and we paid the damn game! it's not a cheap game. We gave them the money. No we want to play.

Why don't they tweak the game once the way it's supposed to!?!

I like this game, a lot.. but CPU shooting 60% every game on all-star, defense is nowhere to be seen, if you make a 20-0 run, CPU is going to do it 30-4 in the next 3 min's and it becomes impossible to make a shot!

But, like I said, I like this game and I believe that some patch here and update there, should make it even better

[SOM3ROiD]

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Dunno how to edit message; I meant that "it's NOT ok that we have to adjust everything" sorry