Poll: Reach in fouls rate

[sreckless]

Re: Poll: Reach in fouls rate

I have to play more games but I'll speak up with my first impression since I don't expect it'll be one you hear a lot of. IMO, the adjustment was over-done and wasn't really needed in the first place.

First, for a 48-minute game it's pretty onerous to basically not be able to hit the steal button at all. I don't use it a lot but it seems like it may as well be removed altogether if its most likely function is to produce fouls.

Second, I feel like the adjustment puts the game more on rails, so to speak, and gives the user less freedom and less control. I enjoyed the challenge of running an offense despite heavy ball pressure. I enjoyed baiting steal spammers and then crossing them over and beating them to the basket. Maybe I was the only one.

I feel like it's a change that caters to a specific subset of (very vocal) players who want to play a slower-paced game but who are unwilling or unable to learn the controls and the game well enough to counter the high-pressure, over-aggressive tactics they encounter online.

Instead of using the tools already in the game to defeat these tactics -- quick plays, the protect ball stance, the dribble controls, total control passing, etc., instead of making an appropriate adjustment to their own tactics, these players essentially want the game to protect ball for them while they do what they please.

I think it's an unfortunate reaction to a problem that didn't exist, and a devolution of the game (which was and still is the best sports game ever made, just for the record).

[Sour Noob]

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That's a good point BUT in my opinion I shouldn't be punished for the people that spam and in my career I would average 2 steals per game not to much but a good number none the less and now I can't get ONE and why do you care about it for my career. I say keep it the way it is FOR ONLINE ONLY and lower it for my career.

[tetoleetd]

Re: Poll: Reach in fouls rate

I have to play more games but I'll speak up with my first impression since I don't expect it'll be one you hear a lot of. IMO, the adjustment was over-done and wasn't really needed in the first place.

First, for a 48-minute game it's pretty onerous to basically not be able to hit the steal button at all. I don't use it a lot but it seems like it may as well be removed altogether if its most likely function is to produce fouls.

Second, I feel like the adjustment puts the game more on rails, so to speak, and gives the user less freedom and less control. I enjoyed the challenge of running an offense despite heavy ball pressure. I enjoyed baiting steal spammers and then crossing them over and beating them to the basket. Maybe I was the only one.

I feel like it's a change that caters to a specific subset of (very vocal) players who want to play a slower-paced game but who are unwilling or unable to learn the controls and the game well enough to counter the high-pressure, over-aggressive tactics they encounter online.

Instead of using the tools already in the game to defeat these tactics -- quick plays, the protect ball stance, the dribble controls, total control passing, etc., instead of making an appropriate adjustment to their own tactics, these players essentially want the game to protect ball for them while they do what they please.

I think it's an unfortunate reaction to a problem that didn't exist, and a devolution of the game (which was and still is the best sports game ever made, just for the record).

you need to consider that when you play offline you can turn the reach in foul slider down as much as you like and raise the steal success slider as much as you like. but for online play, it certainly needs to stay the way it is so spammers dont benefit by playing cheesy.

[champsbasketball]

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it's fine I just had to adjust my game, but the 1 thing you should be able to do steal it from a big man in the post or when he's dribbling up top. you should be able to reach once and the*second should be a foul call. ( this is for mycareer )

[Phreezy P]

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It is too frequent because I shouldn't be getting called for reaches when a big is dribbling too much or I press steal just once when someone is in a vulnerable spot i.e. The paint. In MyCareer mode since the patch I've fouled out 4 out of 5 games, and I'm a shooting guard. But other than that it is not that bad.

[hashbrownx24]

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There is probaly only 1 player in the NBA that gets 2 ONBALL steals a game in real life and thats Chris Paul other than that everyone else is getting a majority of there steals on the passing lane.. So for all of the people saying "I Cant get any steals at all i used to get 2 a game" and so on.. Just dont reach PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE watch a NBA game and show me a PG reach 6 times in the entire game... People keep saying they got fouled out for reaching Well the fact is in real basketball people do not get ripped that often and when they do its a highlight...

Bigmen getting ripped is dumb when they are not dribbling..
People used to just come and swipe swipe swipe at the bigs as soon as they got the ball but, when a big man has the ball and has not taken a dribble that has nothing to do with his handles and his ball security and it has everything to do with STRENGTH.. A little PG is not going to snatch the ball out of a big mans hands when he sees him coming that just doesnt happen...

Raising the reaching fouls will make 2k players actually stick defense and actually try to stop an opponents dribble by crowding them AND actually learn the timing of reaching for the ball.. If you replay any off the reaching fouls you cannot tell me you did not whack their arm.. The animation may look stupid like your hand with through their arm but you did whack their arm so its not like you are getting called with phantom calls...


For those having trouble in My Career mode you may want to try putting it on simulation because, you computer plays better defense and than it is all on you to adjust to the new reaching laws.. Crowd your defender make him pick up his dribble and snatch his pass or just simply learn to be arms length apart from your opponent and reach while the ball is in the air and before it touches the opponents hand again.


XBOX LIVE King Hash V1 for more tips and to argue your opinion

[keshunleon]

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I think the fouls is good, NBA players rarely reach unless the are in good position or on a double team.

The foul problems with 2K13 is a lot of them don't have contact with the player at all.

Most of the fouls this year are canned animations and due to the fact 2K didn't even incorporate defense in this game affects many of the fouls.

Even with reach in fouls allow the defender to actually hit the ball handler. Get rid of those canned animations that loose the ball when the defenders hand is no where near the ball.

[WarriorPrince]

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It's awesome. I actually get rewarded if someone steal spams. I wouldn't dare complain about it.

[Sundown]

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Reaching foul are barley called in the NBA you guys need to seriously stop blasting up the On-Ball steal/ Go For Passing Lanes tendency. I've never seen in a real game a player goes to try to steal every single time you pass it to the man they cover... I know it's off-topic but your apart of the team so I think that should be addressed. But to get On-Topic yes it's called way to much.

It's called way too much because people spam too much. If it wasn't called you'd see even more spamming, which seems to be your primary complaint.

[KspadeTheProspect]

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I play on HOF sim and I have teammates fouling out! So sim doesnt change the issue.

[MVP9072]

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Played the Celtics and Green/Bass would come out to my guards and try to jack the ball only to get the reach in foul

called a little too much

[IYoDa]

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It's called way too much because people spam too much. If it wasn't called you'd see even more spamming, which seems to be your primary complaint.

when i press the steal button ONCE its called a foul.
99 steal rating
pickpocket
active hands

press once only and its a foul.
hardly spam, the complaint is not the amount of reach in calls, its the placement of them.
if im double teaming, i come on the ball side of the opponent, i am using my outside arm to swipe the ball so its not possible to be a reach.

and 90% of the time when the ball is knocked loose myplayer runs past it instead of picking it up which is pathetic.
last years steal system was better, this years was too easy and now too hard.

i agree with raising the "slider" for steals, but this is extreme.
the signature skills associated with stealing are now useless, which pisses alot of people off seeing as we work hard to get the VC to buy them skills.

find a middle ground 2k or change animations, they are stupid.

[ffaacc03]

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You can get steals by creating contact with the opponent, by guarding the passing lanes and by stripping unawared players (yes you can) ... then again, people "call foul" on the increase of reaching foul calls just because they arent used/programed to it as is new to the game ... just like when you try to pass the ball but do a fake pass instead while inbounding or in mid action, just because you were used to spam the pass button to get a quick pass ... or like when they took out the force field that prevented players from steping outside the court lines, you werent used to watch for it ... or like when the ball physics was implemented, you now have to prevent the careless dribbling.

In sum, is a matter of user adjustment into a more sim style ... the way they are post patch is great and unless 2k plans to bring 2 quick ranked sets, one for casuals (pretty much like the current set) and one for hardcore sims (upper difficulty and foul sliders), this has to stay as it is now ... in fact, this new addition has added another layer of strategy to the game and has improved the flow of the experience inmensively ... again, the cause is not the amount of fouls called but the amount of reachings people do ... and will take time to adjust to this realism.

[ksuttonjr76]

I SWEAR some of you are blatantly lying about online games. I don't get called for fouls for pressing the button ONE TIME for steal. I normally go for the attempt after there is body contact, and the ballhandler is momentarily off balance.

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[Sundown]

Re: Poll: Reach in fouls rate

YES it needs to be lowered

Haha. I assume you're joking and created an account just for this topic.

If not, also hilarious.