The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Can someone please attempt to justify 2K's introduction of PnR maestro and Screen Outlet? If a guard can shoot well off the dribble, as well as have good speed and handles, surely they'll be good shooting off a pick? If a guard is rated 85+ in Passing, surely that means they're a good passer in the PnR, right?

If someone has good speed, vertical, layup and dunk ratings a la Blake Griffin, surely that means they're a good roll man? Why boost their stats for that for differentiation? The ratings do that already. Does Kevin Love really need six extra points added to his shooting ratings when he's popping of a pick?

The only Sig Skills that make sense are the ones that fill situational holes in the game like chasedown artist (which ironically was one of the ones that was close to useless this year), not ones that add stuff to situations that are already accounted for.

No its not needed for bball vets / 2k bball vets, but for casual nba fans/2kers/newbs to the series... is this not the perfect way to get casuals to at-least attempt to play fundamental basketball?

Say without the SIG SKILLS, the average user will just pick up and go, which means they will attempt to do ESPN highlights. With SIG SKILLS like PnP, now they have an incentive to PnP, while before they didn't (cause of ignorance).

I'd like to see (in custom matches) the ability to play w/o SIG SKILLS as an option.

[sreckless]

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No its not needed for bball vets / 2k bball vets, but for casual nba fans/2kers/newbs to the series... is this not the perfect way to get casuals to at-least attempt to play fundamental basketball?

Exactly. Signature skills are the response to THE most common complaint here on these forums -- that the game supposedly doesn't reward playing good fundamental basketball.

VC is trying to give people who use players according to their real-life strengths an advantage over people who just pick up the game and play any old way.

If you think the game needs to do more to reward "fundamentals," then you can't be opposed to signature skills, especially not ones like "Pick and Roll" or" Screen Outlet."

[Sundown]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

this is where I passed out

Oh man. 5 sig skills for guys that sit on the bench.

Let's give a crack at this:

Andris Biedrins: Eraser because he blocked Nick Young once, Tenacious Rebounder, because he's tapped the ball a couple of times, Defensive Anchor, Brick Wall, Post Playmaker because he's afraid of taking the shot and is always passing out.

Richard Jefferson: Posterizer (remember that couple games where he looked like Nets RJ?), Cornerman, Spot Up Shooter, Finisher, Floor General. You know, veteran presence and all.

Lol. Anyway. I think the pick and roll skills still make sense because it involves timing and coordination. I just think it should boost skills relevant only in completing the actual pick, roll, pass, and catch. Everything else should play out by itself because the PnR is designed to shed defenses. There should be no artificial shooting boost.

I also think they missed out an opportunity for a Shoot Off Screens sig skill. Some guys are good at curling and catching and shooting, while others can only spot up. It's not quite a off the dribble shot, and a sig that reduces the penalty for moving before you catch the shot would be helpful.

I'd rather them give players a rating for this off ball footwork using advanced stats from STATS or something though.

[Optik]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

If you think the game needs to do more to reward "fundamentals," then you can't be opposed to signature skills, especially not ones like "Pick and Roll" or" Screen Outlet."

I most certainly can. You don't need cheap gimmickry to encourage using fundamentals (which by the way, has done nothing for the level of play online, if anything it has made it worse). You need the balance between offence and defence to be close enough to the RL NBA, that if two players of similar ability with the sticks are playing against each other, if a player has significantly more knowledge of the game than the other, then he should be winning at least 9 games out of 10.

You don't need to "reward" fundamentals, you just need to put the game at an appropriate difficulty and simulation sliders.

Like I said, Chasedown Artist is a good sig skill to have because there isn't a stat called running block.

With SIG SKILLS like PnP, now they have an incentive to PnP, while before they didn't (cause of ignorance).

They didn't have an incentive to PnP, not because of ignorance, but because coming up and jacking threes is quicker and efficient enough to win. Shooting off the dribble is too easy and the shot contests are messed up which leads to people dribbling along the perimeter with Novak trying to take a 3 instead of spotting up like IRL, and people using Ray Allen like prime Kobe Bryant, where they're not even using picks and just swishing several contested threes.

This doesn't even mention the fact that people could just exploit this by just using a pick to "tick a box" and then still throw up a contested shot and make it.

[OkayC]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Exactly. Signature skills are the response to THE most common complaint here on these forums -- that the game supposedly doesn't reward playing good fundamental basketball.

VC is trying to give people who use players according to their real-life strengths an advantage over people who just pick up the game and play any old way.

If you think the game needs to do more to reward "fundamentals," then you can't be opposed to signature skills, especially not ones like "Pick and Roll" or" Screen Outlet."

Maybe im just dumb, but i don't understand this post. How does sig skills reward fundamental basketball? when all they do is increase attributes and allow for even more cheese to ensue. These new sig skills if anything just seem like a way to counter the cheese thats already in the game that could've been avoided in the first place. Sig skills just seem to literally be nothing more than extra incentive for casuals. There a great idea, but things like 4th quarter closer and finisher and acrobat are just asking for cheese.

Instead of giving me an attribute that allows me to finish well around the rim, why not just boost layup and dunk, since this is what finisher does anyway. And why do i need to shoot better coming off a pick, good shooters already shoot well. Now i know that synergy stats show that some players shoot well off of picks than others, but still, good shooters shoot well reguardless of how or where. and why do i need things like tenacious rebounder, when hustle points and scrapper should do just fine. If the devs would fix the offensive rebounding then there would be no need for extra rebounding sig skills.

IMO why not just boost certain attributes in general instead of giving them a whole sig skill that will do this anyway. Some sigs are just too cheesy to even bother with, which is why i just don't get the point of your post. How do sig skills promote fundamental basketball? Just remove some of the issues and cheese that plague the game as is, like rebounding and euro threes and crap like that. Im not an expert at game coding but i have studied it to an extent, and i know those things in particular should be able to be taken out. Why create sig skills to counter act things that shouldn't be there to begin with?

Its not that i hate sig skills, but some are really cheesy and pointless, and others just seem flatout redundant. Others just need a tweak here and there. My point though is, mixing cheese with cheese just makes things extra cheesy.

[sreckless]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Maybe im just dumb, but i don't understand this post. How does sig skills reward fundamental basketball? when all they do is increase attributes and allow for even more cheese to ensue. These new sig skills if anything just seem like a way to counter the cheese thats already in the game that could've been avoided in the first place. Sig skills just seem to literally be nothing more than extra incentive for casuals. There a great idea, but things like 4th quarter closer and finisher and acrobat are just asking for cheese.

I have nothing to say about acrobat since that was a poorly-designed skill that was glitched and had to be removed. But that doesn't mean all sig skills are bad, it just means they did a bad job with that one. Glitches happen, it's the nature of the game.

But let's take a look at "closer." With thise skills the game is clearly trying to reward the user who understands how to use his players, and punishing the user who tries to play "casually."

On the Celtics, for instance, I have (had) two players with the closer skill -- Jason Terry and Paul Pierce. Both of these players, in real life, are legendary in their own time for their ability to raise the level of their play in the fourth quarter, and for Pierce especially, specifically in end-of-game situations.

So by giving them slight boosts in the fourth quarter, the game is giving an advantage to the user who understands this and takes advantage of it. Your players play better ONLY IF you use them more realistically. If you don't, you don't get the boost.

You need the balance between offence and defence to be close enough to the RL NBA, that if two players of similar ability with the sticks are playing against each other, if a player has significantly more knowledge of the game than the other, then he should be winning at least 9 games out of 10.

Although I agree the game would be improved by better offense/defense balance, that has absolutely nothing to do with signature skills.

I don't need signature skills in the game, but they definitely aren't a hindrance to good play. Having a skill like "screen outlet" is doing exactly what people have always wanted -- making fundamental basketball more powerful in relation to dribbling around in circles to get open.

[OkayC]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

I have nothing to say about acrobat since that was a poorly-designed skill that was glitched and had to be removed. But that doesn't mean all sig skills are bad, it just means they did a bad job with that one. Glitches happen, it's the nature of the game.

But let's take a look at "closer." With thise skills the game is clearly trying to reward the user who understands how to use his players, and punishing the user who tries to play "casually."

On the Celtics, for instance, I have (had) two players with the closer skill -- Jason Terry and Paul Pierce. Both of these players, in real life, are legendary in their own time for their ability to raise the level of their play in the fourth quarter, and for Pierce especially, specifically in end-of-game situations.

So by giving them slight boosts in the fourth quarter, the game is giving an advantage to the user who understands this and takes advantage of it. Your players play better ONLY IF you use them more realistically. If you don't, you don't get the boost.



Although I agree the game would be improved by better offense/defense balance, that has absolutely nothing to do with signature skills.

I don't need signature skills in the game, but they definitely aren't a hindrance to good play. Having a skill like "screen outlet" is doing exactly what people have always wanted -- making fundamental basketball more powerful in relation to dribbling around in circles to get open.

First i never said all sigs are bad, just some seem pointless. As far as closer goes its cheesy. A 12 point boost to attributes is cheese. Its a known fact that players who are closers just take more responsibility for the game, they don't play better they just work harder to score the ball cuz they know if they don't they lose. Notice how all the clutch players usually are the only guys on there team with the ball in there hands at the end of games, and how that doesn't even alway gurantee the win. They just take more resposibility with the game on the line. On my edited rosters i took off closer on almost all my players, and when i play smart at the end of games I still take over with that player, just without the boost. Even on mycareer, i don't have 4th quarter closer and i still take over games. Its all about responsibility, not about suddenly possessing skills that you don't have to win games now.

[Jrocc23]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread



Has to be a kid.

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

[OkayC]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Has to be a kid.

The scary part is that it could be a grown man lol.

[andeee]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

EASTS2k, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[yungsta404]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

he has to be a troll. He doesnt even know that his team is called the "heat" with no "S"

[andeee]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

IMO why not just boost certain attributes in general instead of giving them a whole sig skill that will do this anyway. Some sigs are just too cheesy to even bother with, which is why i just don't get the point of your post. How do sig skills promote fundamental basketball? Just remove some of the issues and cheese that plague the game as is, like rebounding and euro threes and crap like that. Im not an expert at game coding but i have studied it to an extent, and i know those things in particular should be able to be taken out. Why create sig skills to counter act things that shouldn't be there to begin with?

Its not that i hate sig skills, but some are really cheesy and pointless, and others just seem flatout redundant. Others just need a tweak here and there. My point though is, mixing cheese with cheese just makes things extra cheesy.

While some of them are pointless/redundant, some sig skills are good for the game as they replicate certain player proficiencies that cannot be replicated through the current player rating system.

Look at some of the skills such as Deadeye, Hustle Points, Closer, Scrapper, Acrobat..and now skills such as Screen Outlet and Pick & Rolls Maestro. How do you replicate these skills into ratings? These are all for the most part situational skills. If you attempt give a ratings boost to alleviate the removal of some of these skills then you just made a player better overall instead of making them better in the certain situations they excel in.

[OkayC]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

While some of them are pointless/redundant, some sig skills are good for the game as they replicate certain player proficiencies that cannot be replicated through the current player rating system.

Look at some of the skills such as Deadeye, Hustle Points, Closer, Scrapper, Acrobat..and now skills such as Screen Outlet and Pick & Rolls Maestro. How do you replicate these skills into ratings? These are all for the most part situational skills. If you attempt give a ratings boost to alleviate the removal of some of these skills then you just made a player better overall instead of making them better in the certain situations they excel in.

I agree with the sig skills you have listed, but my point is to the ones that are redundant and/or cheesy. Tenacious rebounder, redundant. closer, cheesy. deadeye, necessary. finisher, redundant. acrobat, redunant and cheesy, because you already have finisher, and finisher is basically the same thing as acrobat, and again just boost dunk and layup attributes. The only time finisher and acrobat work is when your at the rim, but seeing as you can only dunk or layup when your at the rim, theres no need for either of these two. Just boost the layup and dunk attributes. But i could go on with this, but you see my point.

[EASTS2k]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Posterizer, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Corner Specialist
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

Fine, since no one liked my list.. I switched out one of Mario's skills for Posterizer and gave Juwan Howard Corner Specialist.

GO HEATS@@!!@@!

[EASTS2k]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Fine, since no one liked my list.. I switched out one of Mario's skills for Posterizer and gave Juwan Howard Corner Specialist.

GO HEATS@@!!@@!

And what ya'll think about giving LeBron all the signature skills in the game? He's the most complete player in the game today, truly a do-it-all player. I think this idea would be ground-breaking, revolutionary, and will set the standard for players in NBA 2k's for the future. And one more thing..

HEAT 2013-2014 CHAMPS, L(j) comes BEFORE M(j) LBJ6 GOAT