This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

I wouldn't even focus on the hot/cold/neutral zones it's broken.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

I wouldn't even focus on the hot/cold/neutral zones it's broken.

Why do you say that?

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Why do you say that?

Well as long as my timing is right with most shooters i can drop shots from anywhere including the cold zones some people need to practice the releases

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Well as long as my timing is right with most shooters i can drop shots from anywhere including the cold zones some people need to practice the releases

Yes you can still make plenty of shots, but that doesn't equate out to it being broken. That word is used too often in the wrong context. It is factual though that the zones work as intended.

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Yes you can still make plenty of shots, but that doesn't equate out to it being broken. That word is used too often in the wrong context. It is factual though that the zones work as intended.

True but whats the point of the zones if you make cold shots anyway

[tetoleetd]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

True but whats the point of the zones if you make cold shots anyway

you have to have a perfect release to basically even have a chance to make it from a cold zone. you can make shots from hot zones all the time with your release slightly off. thats the difference.

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

you have to have a perfect release to basically even have a chance to make it from a cold zone. you can make shots from hot zones all the time with your release slightly off. thats the difference.

on 2k13 i don't notice that

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

on 2k13 i don't notice that

Yeah if you take smart shots and know your releases you wouldn't. What tetoleetd said is spot on.

[DigiMich]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

you have to have a perfect release to basically even have a chance to make it from a cold zone. you can make shots from hot zones all the time with your release slightly off. thats the difference.

Thats true but its clearly more complex than that. Plus I said that in the original post.

But once again...I think many of you are not asking yourself the most relevant questions there are and you are getting caught up on things that are either already widely known or dont matter that much. (seriously..we all understand that its harder to make shots in a cold zone and easier in a hot zones.....the real questions was how)

The next question since we all kinda agree that there is something happening behind the scenes but there is no way to test it is.....just how the hell someone like Steve Novak has 9ish hotzones when he only takes 6 shots a game and makes 3 of them in real life?

Seriously.....in the course of a 82 game season Steve Novak will only shoot about 492 times. He will only make roughly 246 of them. What about those shooting stats would signify that he deserves 9 hot zones compared to Kevin Durant who shoots 18 times a game and makes 10 of them and only had 3 hot zones.

The sample says seems ridiculous...a guy who barely shoots the ball ever and of the ones he does shoot only makes half of them...has 3x as many hotzones than a 2 time scoring champion who takes 2.5 times as many shots.


What is their basis for these hot zones? Novak during a game to game basis doesnt even shoot in half of these hot zones with his limited time.

[tetoleetd]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

on 2k13 i don't notice that

i do. i hardly ever make shots from cold zones, even with perfect releases.

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Yeah if you take smart shots and know your releases you wouldn't. What tetoleetd said is spot on.

Um what are you talking about?

I always get perfect releases with all the Pacers and Knicks players

In cold spots even when they're off they go in and im on your sliders btw

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Um what are you talking about?

I always get perfect releases with all the Pacers and Knicks players

In cold spots even when they're off they go in and im on your sliders btw

"Yeah if you take smart shots and know your releases you wouldn't."

So you would not know (about the zones) if you took smart shots and knew the releases. You already stated that the zones didn't affect your shooting. I was giving a compliment, calm down.

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Thats true but its clearly more complex than that. Plus I said that in the original post.

But once again...I think many of you are not asking yourself the most relevant questions there are and you are getting caught up on things that are either already widely known or dont matter that much. (seriously..we all understand that its harder to make shots in a cold zone and easier in a hot zones.....the real questions was how)

The next question since we all kinda agree that there is something happening behind the scenes but there is no way to test it is.....just how the hell someone like Steve Novak has 9ish hotzones when he only takes 6 shots a game and makes 3 of them in real life?

Seriously.....in the course of a 82 game season Steve Novak will only shoot about 492 times. He will only make roughly 246 of them. What about those shooting stats would signify that he deserves 9 hot zones compared to Kevin Durant who shoots 18 times a game and makes 10 of them and only had 3 hot zones.

The sample says seems ridiculous...a guy who barely shoots the ball ever and of the ones he does shoot only makes half of them...has 3x as many hotzones than a 2 time scoring champion who takes 2.5 times as many shots.


What is their basis for these hot zones? Novak during a game to game basis doesnt even shoot in half of these hot zones with his limited time.

KD has like 3 hot zones i think? and hes neutral in all the others i would only give Novak 2 hot zones and that's in the corners

[MVP9072]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

"Yeah if you take smart shots and know your releases you wouldn't."

So you would not know (about the zones) if you took smart shots and knew the releases. You already stated that the zones didn't affect your shooting. I was giving a compliment, calm down.

Sorry lol i thought you said something else

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

I've tried REALLY HARD to stay out of this thread....because having a "debate" with "DigiMich" can literally drive a person crazy....but this post pushed me over the edge.


What you are posting here CLEARLY shows you do NOT even understand the "Hot Zones"....which are really freakin' SIMPLE...you are complicating things just to complicate them apparently...

Thats true but its clearly more complex than that. Plus I said that in the original post.

This is the whole problem...it really ISN'T more complex than that.

But once again...I think many of you are not asking yourself the most relevant questions there are and you are getting caught up on things that are either already widely known or dont matter that much. (seriously..we all understand that its harder to make shots in a cold zone and easier in a hot zones.....the real questions was how)

The next question since we all kinda agree that there is something happening behind the scenes but there is no way to test it is.....just how the hell someone like Steve Novak has 9ish hotzones when he only takes 6 shots a game and makes 3 of them in real life?

What is so difficult to understand? Novak has those "Hot Zones" because in REAL LIFE Steve Novak shoots over a certain percentage from these spots or "zones" on the court.

How many shots he takes per game isn't part of this....

Why do you twist things like this to try and make them work in your favor?? You do this alot....

The quantity of shots isn't part of this...it's about percentage.

Seriously.....in the course of a 82 game season Steve Novak will only shoot about 492 times. He will only make roughly 246 of them. What about those shooting stats would signify that he deserves 9 hot zones compared to Kevin Durant who shoots 18 times a game and makes 10 of them and only had 3 hot zones.

The sample says seems ridiculous...a guy who barely shoots the ball ever and of the ones he does shoot only makes half of them...has 3x as many hotzones than a 2 time scoring champion who takes 2.5 times as many shots.

But the Hot Zones are NOT based on any of this!!!!!!!!!!

Here is how the Hot Zones work...

First a little history...

I'm pretty sure 2K stole....errrrr....."borrowed" this from NBA Live 08. The NBA made these stats public with NBA Live 08 and kept the little shot search engine going thru the 09-10 season. You can see it here - http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

Basically, it broke down shooting into these "zones" on the court.

If a player shoots 50%+ from a zone inside the 3 PT line, and 40%+ from outside the 3 PT line....it is designated a Hot Zone.

If they shoot BELOW a certain percentage in a zone...it's labeled as a cold zone....or blue.

This isn't "complex"...and it's based on a player's real stats.

Things that do NOT figure into it - how many shots a player takes per game, how many shots per game a player makes, how many scoring titles a player has, whether a player is named "Steve Novak" or not....

What could possibly be "complex" about this...??? It seems pretty SIMPLE to understand.

What is their basis for these hot zones? Novak during a game to game basis doesnt even shoot in half of these hot zones with his limited time.

The basis is a player's real life shooting stats...

Not to be rude, but did you really not know that before starting this thread?