This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

KD has like 3 hot zones i think? and hes neutral in all the others i would only give Novak 2 hot zones and that's in the corners

2K doesn't "give' anyone Hot or Cold Zones...they are based on the REAL LIFE shooting stats.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

@LoudMouthHoops, I know I said this a while back in this thread.

Ratings are based off his shooting percentages in real life.

Zones break the players shooting percentages down into areas.

Zones are broken further down to where the player shoots his avg % (grey) where he shoots better (red) and worse (blue). That is how they are decided. When you shoot from these areas you make a better % in reds as that is where they shoot better from in real life.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

@LoudMouthHoops, I know I said this a while back in this thread.

I know...but with some people around here you apparently have to say things twice....or twenty times. It gets annoying.

[sreckless]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

The sample says seems ridiculous...a guy who barely shoots the ball ever and of the ones he does shoot only makes half of them...has 3x as many hotzones than a 2 time scoring champion who takes 2.5 times as many shots.

I think this is a misunderstanding of the way 2K uses hot zones. The point of them isn't to highlight who the good players are, the point is to mark where on the court each individual player are more or less capable and to show YOU, the user, how to use that player.

The superstar players don't need hot zones -- they already have sky-high ratings. If they have a lot of grey areas, that's because they are consistent from all different areas of the floor, which is a GOOD thing. Durant probably doesn't have a lot of hot zones because he can score from anywhere. He's not "hotter" in any one spot than anywhere else.

Lesser players have lower ratings, but just like in real life, they often have areas that they are more or less comfortable in, so the hot/cold zones represent that.

The game could do this all without showing it to you, but they're there so you the user will know how each player should best be used.

[DigiMich]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Ha.

Its funny for a couple reason. One its like you guys (JWill and Mouth) are incapable of anything beyond the basic answer. Its like asking why the sun rises and having you say....earth rotates. Yes...thats true...but there are some other things at play here. And of course we all know JasonWilliams answer of...."who cares how it works."

Second...and this is the more humorous of the two...LoudMouth...you seem to not get that you are actually making my point. Not yours. Let me explain.

First off....dont embarrass yourself by bringing up data from a 7 year old game that doesnt exist anymore. I actually laughed at this a little. Do your homework son....get a current up to date shot chart....like this one..

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Nick-Young|201156;year=201112;season=r

Now, I can take you at face value and the extremely basic premises that if you shoot a certain percentage than you will get a hot zone. But alas...I am not...I dunno a child and I know that most things in life are connected to each other somehow and you should be able to look at and compare data to get your answer.

So I did. Looking at the current data(see what I did there? Current data...not a almost a decade old data?) and you will see that the theory you propose only matches up for some people. In fact there are many iinstances where a guy will shoot far under 50 percent and still have a hot zone surprisingly enough.

For example like this (because I know you are too busy to look up actually data.)

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Carmelo-Anthony|2546;year=201112;season=r

And our good friend Steve Novak

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Steve-Novak|200779;year=201112;season=r

As you can see....Melo shot like he was building a house last year from virtually everywhere especially the 3 point shot. 34 percent from the front and 29 from the corner. YET if you look at the video in the OP (at 3:17 seconds) you can clearly see that Melo has 2 Hotzones outside of the arc.


So great and all powerfully LoudMouth please.....do us all the service of explaining just why Melo has 2 of the same hotzones as Steve Novak even though he shot a full 19 percent less than Novak in those same areas. How does that fit into your little theory good sir?


Then after that you can try and answer the original question that most people seem to avoid; how do hotzones affect shooting as far as gameplay goes. I know it sucks that its not a 1 word answer my friend but due try to give it some thought.


You talk a lot but you need to learn to bring a little more than your mouth to make a point.

[DigiMich]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

I think this is a misunderstanding of the way 2K uses hot zones. The point of them isn't to highlight who the good players are, the point is to mark where on the court each individual player are more or less capable and to show YOU, the user, how to use that player.

The superstar players don't need hot zones -- they already have sky-high ratings. If they have a lot of grey areas, that's because they are consistent from all different areas of the floor, which is a GOOD thing. Durant probably doesn't have a lot of hot zones because he can score from anywhere. He's not "hotter" in any one spot than anywhere else.

Lesser players have lower ratings, but just like in real life, they often have areas that they are more or less comfortable in, so the hot/cold zones represent that.

The game could do this all without showing it to you, but they're there so you the user will know how each player should best be used.

You my friend...win a cookie. That is a very good point and one I actually brought up earlier but people might have missed it because others were to busy shoving their heads up their asses claiming to be right about things just because they thought them.


It is very logical that maybe lesser players are given more hotzones to give them more worth in the game play department. If that is true...then the discussion turns to why? Why not just raise their ratings to match what they are doing? Plus they added things like Deadeye to the game which would be accomplishing the same thing would it not. I can believe you but it just raises more questions.

By the way...thank you for having actually insight and analysis its amazing what happens when you use your brain and not just speak gibberish and expect no one to challenge you on it.

[Coach2K]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

As you can see....Melo shot like he was building a house last year from virtually everywhere especially the 3 point shot. 34 percent from the front and 29 from the corner. YET if you look at the video in the OP (at 3:17 seconds) you can clearly see that Melo has 2 Hotzones outside of the arc.


So great and all powerfully LoudMouth please.....do us all the service of explaining just why Melo has 2 of the same hotzones as Steve Novak even though he shot a full 19 percent less than Novak in those same areas. How does that fit into your little theory good sir?

With Novak at 92 rated three and a Melo at a 86 rated three, that means there is a 7 percent difference in shooting the three.

I always thought that a hot zone would increase a guys shot an rating amount like a +5. I theorized this because the shoes give a +5 bump up.

If we are assuming the hot zones are equal increases across all player, then that might be a flaw.

It could be based on real data that he just shoots a little better from there than another spot behind the line instead a one player fits all hot zone fixed bump up. Could be different for everybody.

[DigiMich]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

With Novak at 92 rated three and a Melo at a 86 rated three, that means there is a 7 percent difference in shooting the three.

I always thought that a hot zone would increase a guys shot an rating amount like a +5. I theorized this because the shoes give a +5 bump up.

If we are assuming the hot zones are equal increases across all player, then that might be a flaw.

It could be based on real data that he just shoots a little better from there than another spot behind the line instead a one player fits all hot zone bump up.

Your point is valid but your math is wrong. Its actually a 5.94 percent difference on a 1-99 scale. That also implies that the rating number are actually percentages...is that ever said anywhere? I dont know if a 80 rating actually means 80 percent chance to make the shot. I assume so but I dont know so. I had forgotten all about the shoe bonuses!!! That is fantastic and makes complete sense to the point. (Seriously loud mouth you could learn something from this guy)

The link to the shoes bonuses and hotzones is completely logical and probably the best evidence we have.

Now that next part you may want to be careful with. When I asked the question earlier in the thread about whether or not the hotzones boost or reduce a shooting percentage it was treated like I just said the moon was made out of cheese. (looking at you JWill) I too think that the hotzones have a boosting sort of affect on players. If someone could come up with a way to test it I would do so. (I am gonna wait and see if the same people now rush into the thread and tear your head off for having the same thought...I am guessing no)

Now your last point is the most interesting. Maybe the hotzones are linked to personal percentages but then how are they graded? How do they change from player to player? Are the hotzones more effective for Novak in the same area as Melo even though in reality he shoots 19 percent less? Maybe Melo gets a 3 percent boost while Novak gets a 5?

I completely get what you are saying there....but it just leads to more questions!!!

The only thing I can say is that it seems like that would take a tremendous amount of extra work on 2ks part. I am gonna bank on laziness to take it out of the equation. I just doubt they went through every single player and adjusted each hotzone to mean a different thing.


By the way...thank you for the critical thinking and input to the thread. Its amazing how nice it is when you can debate with people who dont believe they are right just because they believe.

I am still laughing at the chart Mouth posted.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Unreal....I seriously stayed out of this thread because you are so incredibly DENSE that is it embarrassing.

As you ALWYS do, you nitpicked at a bunch of stuff and went off on a complete tangent only getting FURTHER and further away from the topic...

The thing is, I KNEW this is what you would do....KNEW it. Frankly, I almost could have written your post for you....

Ha.

Its funny for a couple reason. One its like you guys (JWill and Mouth) are incapable of anything beyond the basic answer. Its like asking why the sun rises and having you say....earth rotates. Yes...thats true...but there are some other things at play here. And of course we all know JasonWilliams answer of...."who cares how it works."

We are not incapable...it's just that is the ANSWER. There is no need to make things more complex.

The REAL problem here is that this whole THREAD goes back to your insane posts in the MyTeam thread about Steve Novak...

Apparently you just discovered what Hot Zones are and this is now your answer to why the game is "broken" in your mind....so you start a thread solely based on another STRAW MAN.

Everything about this thread is STRAW MAN....starting with the very TITLE of it.

"This is why you are missing open jumpshots."

Who says I'm missing open jumpshots??? Who says EVERYONE else is???

(And don't say...."Oh...well you must just be the greatest 2K player ever then...smh" - because this is NOT about how good anyone is at the game. It's about you creating a problem and assuming everyone has it...just so you can somehow use it to back up your scatter-brained theories on why Steve Novak can make shots in this game.)

The whole basis of the thread is for you to set up your very own Scarecrow...and then knock him down. And then go after anyone who posts anything even slightly different from you.

It's obnoxious and childish....grow up.

Second...and this is the more humorous of the two...LoudMouth...you seem to not get that you are actually making my point. Not yours. Let me explain.

First off....dont embarrass yourself by bringing up data from a 7 year old game that doesnt exist anymore. I actually laughed at this a little. Do your homework son....get a current up to date shot chart....like this one..

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Nick-Young|201156;year=201112;season=r

You are seriously a TOOL.

No other way to put it...

I'm not embarrassing myself or my point with bringing up that data....I didn't do it to compare to the actual Hot Zones in this game.

Are you that DENSE?

I did it as a reference to where this idea and data come from. I know there are more recent stats, that's not the point.

Seriously, this is beyond FRUSTRATING because trying to have any kind of discussion with you quickly turns into nothing more than you trying to be "RIGHT"....or "WIN".

It's so insanely childish and immature...

And while the shot chart you referenced IS up-to-date...it's NOT relevant because it doesn't differentiate the different areas of the court!!!!

So you can't use it to compare the Hot Zones...because it doesn't break down the individual areas of the court and differentiate between different sides of the court.

Corner 3's are all corner 3's...there is no split of right corner 3's and left corner 3's.

It has NOTHING to do with current data because I didn't say anything about that...or use that old data to back up ANYTHING I said. I just used it as a reference to where the idea came form.

But, of course, you had to turn it into a "I'm better than you!" type of discussion...and even go as far to drop the "Do your homework, son" line....

Seriously?

See what I mean...???

You literally turn everything into this type of nonsense.

Do you think I didn't KNOW that those shot stats were outdated?!!?!?

For crissakes, I even said so in my post!!! yet that is the angle you take to try and prove me "wrong"...and knock me down a notch.

On top of that you do the same little CHILDISH nonsense you did in the other thread.

Talking about how data from 09-10 is "7 years old"....or from a "Decade" ago.

I knew the public schools in Michigan were bad...but I had no idea they had gotten so bad that the people coming out of them can't even do simple SUBTRACTION anymore.

Another one of your childish little "tricks"....exaggerate everything.

Not that it even MATTERS because I didn't even bring up that data to back up any type of point I was making. I simply referenced it in a historical context...

Now, I can take you at face value and the extremely basic premises that if you shoot a certain percentage than you will get a hot zone. But alas...I am not...I dunno a child and I know that most things in life are connected to each other somehow and you should be able to look at and compare data to get your answer.

So I did. Looking at the current data(see what I did there? Current data...not a almost a decade old data?) and you will see that the theory you propose only matches up for some people. In fact there are many iinstances where a guy will shoot far under 50 percent and still have a hot zone surprisingly enough.

What "theory"...?!?!?!

I didn't make any theory!!!!!

I referenced the data historically. I never said this was the data 2K was using for THIS YEAR'S game!! For you to even suggest that is borderline INSANITY.

Again....the current data you are using is NOT the same. It doesn't break down different sides of the floor...and it doesn't break down the different areas into ZONES as the game does and as that old data did.

I don't know if the CURRENT stats in the FORM that the old data exists. I only know I can't find them online.

My guess is 2K has ACCESS to this data, possibly from the NBA or Stats Inc, and they use LAST YR's hot zones for this year's game.

The data you are using is NOT going to match up...because it's not the same data.

This is simple freaking stuff....

For example like this (because I know you are too busy to look up actually data.)

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Carmelo-Anthony|2546;year=201112;season=r

And our good friend Steve Novak

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Steve-Novak|200779;year=201112;season=r

As you can see....Melo shot like he was building a house last year from virtually everywhere especially the 3 point shot. 34 percent from the front and 29 from the corner. YET if you look at the video in the OP (at 3:17 seconds) you can clearly see that Melo has 2 Hotzones outside of the arc.


So great and all powerfully LoudMouth please.....do us all the service of explaining just why Melo has 2 of the same hotzones as Steve Novak even though he shot a full 19 percent less than Novak in those same areas. How does that fit into your little theory good sir?

You're not using the same chart...the one you are referencing lumps every 3 above the break as the same...while we know the Hot Zones do not. And the chart you are referencing lumps all Corner 3's into the same stat, while the Hot Zones no NOT....they differentiate between 3's from the right corner and 3's from the left corner.

Please tell me you see the difference?

You can't be THIS DENSE....

Again...I have no "little theory"....and even if I did, what you just posted wouldn't be a valid argument against it because the data you are using isn't broken down into the individual zones like the Hot Zones are....instead all 3's above the FT line are lumped into one stat.....and every corner 3 regardless of what side it is from is lumped together.

So it's very possible Carmelo Anthony could make more than 40% of his 3's from 1 corner and not the other.

The data you are referencing just wouldn't show that.

Then after that you can try and answer the original question that most people seem to avoid; how do hotzones affect shooting as far as gameplay goes. I know it sucks that its not a 1 word answer my friend but due try to give it some thought.


You talk a lot but you need to learn to bring a little more than your mouth to make a point.

There is no "avoiding" the original question...it's really FREAKING simple....the only one who seems to have a problem grasping it it YOU.

Players will make MORE shots from their hotzone....and less from their cold zone....and there is no adjustment in a neutral zone.

My guess it is a slight adjustment to the percentages(up in a hot zone, down in a cold zone) that the game makes in a matter of nanoseconds to determine whether the shot will go in or not.

Of course there are other factors too....it's not like every shot from a Hot Zone goes in and every shot from a Cold Zone doesn't....

we have to remember this is a video game...and all that is really working when a digital player takes a shot is a bunch of mathematical equations being figured out in fractions of a second by a computer.

My guess is that when someone takes a shot...any shot....from a Hot Zone there is a small increase given to the shot in that equation.



The real PROBLEM here is YOU....you've set up this entire thread to just hear the answer you WANT to hear in order to try and back up all you theories about why this game is "broken"....


It really is pointless to even post this...which is why I stayed out of it for oh-so-long....You are nothing but a little TROLL who apparently has nothing better to do.

Good luck with your attempt at turning yourself into a NBA2K "guru" or "celebrity" with your little YouTube videos....you will need it.

Because, frankly, you don't bring much to the table and some of your thoughts on the game make ZERO sense....which is why you've seen a COLLECTION of sim gamers and grown ups challenge you on some of this BS.

It's not like it's just me....

[Coach2K]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Your point is valid but your math is wrong. Its actually a 5.94 percent difference on a 1-99 scale. That also implies that the rating number are actually percentages...is that ever said anywhere? I dont know if a 80 rating actually means 80 percent chance to make the shot. I assume so but I dont know so. I had forgotten all about the shoe bonuses!!! That is fantastic and makes complete sense to the point. (Seriously loud mouth you could learn something from this guy)

The link to the shoes bonuses and hotzones is completely logical and probably the best evidence we have.

Now that next part you may want to be careful with. When I asked the question earlier in the thread about whether or not the hotzones boost or reduce a shooting percentage it was treated like I just said the moon was made out of cheese. (looking at you JWill) I too think that the hotzones have a boosting sort of affect on players. If someone could come up with a way to test it I would do so. (I am gonna wait and see if the same people now rush into the thread and tear your head off for having the same thought...I am guessing no)

Now your last point is the most interesting. Maybe the hotzones are linked to personal percentages but then how are they graded? How do they change from player to player? Are the hotzones more effective for Novak in the same area as Melo even though in reality he shoots 19 percent less? Maybe Melo gets a 3 percent boost while Novak gets a 5?

I completely get what you are saying there....but it just leads to more questions!!!

The only thing I can say is that it seems like that would take a tremendous amount of extra work on 2ks part. I am gonna bank on laziness to take it out of the equation. I just doubt they went through every single player and adjusted each hotzone to mean a different thing.


By the way...thank you for the critical thinking and input to the thread. Its amazing how nice it is when you can debate with people who dont believe they are right just because they believe.

I am still laughing at the chart Mouth posted.

Well it wouldn't be unthinkable for them to have data on the percentage people shoot from each area. What I found interesting this year is that the zones kind of flipped sides on David West this year.

Well I say bump, I just mean they do better.

But again, I don't think it matters on open shots.

If you are talking open shots. I don't think the color matters.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

It is very logical that maybe lesser players are given more hotzones to give them more worth in the game play department. If that is true...then the discussion turns to why? Why not just raise their ratings to match what they are doing? Plus they added things like Deadeye to the game which would be accomplishing the same thing would it not. I can believe you but it just raises more questions.

No one is "given" a Hot Zone...2K isn't handing out Hot Zones to role players to try and even out the game somehow.

The Hot Zones are based on where they shoot from in real life.

It really is NOT complicated stuff...

Obviously, 2K has access to the CURRENT Hot Zone data....likely from last year for this year's game.

It's not hard to believe that since the data was tracked previously...and posted online by the NBA...and 2K has partnerships with both the NBA (as the only NBA video game on the market) and Stats Inc.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And....before you ask it....there is no way I can KNOW this for sure.

But given that the NBA tracked this same data for year's and gave the same data to Electronic Arts a few years back...and then that same Hot Zone CONCEPT was then incorporated into NBA2K....it certainly is possible...if not downright LIKELY.

More possible than thinking that 2K is just randomly assigning these hot/cold zones...

The only way to KNOW for sure is to ask someone from 2K....

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Well it wouldn't be unthinkable for them to have data on the percentage people shoot from each area. What I found interesting this year is that the zones kind of flipped sides on David West this year.

Well I say bump, I just mean they do better.

But again, I don't think it matters on open shots.

If you are talking open shots. I don't think the color matters.

Exactly...we already know this data was tracked by the NBA previously...and posted online...and given to EA for NBA Live...and then that concept was borrowed by 2K.

So it's definitely not a LEAP to say this is where the data is coming from...not even a small one.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Your point is valid but your math is wrong. Its actually a 5.94 percent difference on a 1-99 scale. That also implies that the rating number are actually percentages...is that ever said anywhere? I dont know if a 80 rating actually means 80 percent chance to make the shot. I assume so but I dont know so. I had forgotten all about the shoe bonuses!!! That is fantastic and makes complete sense to the point. (Seriously loud mouth you could learn something from this guy)

The link to the shoes bonuses and hotzones is completely logical and probably the best evidence we have.

Now that next part you may want to be careful with. When I asked the question earlier in the thread about whether or not the hotzones boost or reduce a shooting percentage it was treated like I just said the moon was made out of cheese. (looking at you JWill) I too think that the hotzones have a boosting sort of affect on players. If someone could come up with a way to test it I would do so. (I am gonna wait and see if the same people now rush into the thread and tear your head off for having the same thought...I am guessing no)

Now your last point is the most interesting. Maybe the hotzones are linked to personal percentages but then how are they graded? How do they change from player to player? Are the hotzones more effective for Novak in the same area as Melo even though in reality he shoots 19 percent less? Maybe Melo gets a 3 percent boost while Novak gets a 5?

I completely get what you are saying there....but it just leads to more questions!!!

The only thing I can say is that it seems like that would take a tremendous amount of extra work on 2ks part. I am gonna bank on laziness to take it out of the equation. I just doubt they went through every single player and adjusted each hotzone to mean a different thing.


By the way...thank you for the critical thinking and input to the thread. Its amazing how nice it is when you can debate with people who dont believe they are right just because they believe.

More childish nonsense....all because of your little personal "vendetta" against me.

Oh well....continue on...but truth be told you are only making a FOOL out of yourself...but you continue to "Open you mouth and remove all doubt" around here...so whatever.

Each shot is nothing more than a mathematical equation that takes place in fractions of a second.

Lots of factors go into the success of the shot...release, player ratings, defense vs the shot, etc....

When a shot is taken from a Hot or Cold zone, it's likely that there is a small percentage boost to that shot mathematically.

What is hard to understand? All shots either get no boost - neutral, a boost - hot, or a Drop - Cold.

I am still laughing at the chart Mouth posted.

The simple fact that you keep referencing this shows you either do NOT understand why I posted it....or that you are a childish, immature idiot.

In no way did I use that data to make any kind of statements about what Hot/Cold Zones players get.

I merely mentioned it as a reference that this data does exist and as a historical reference as to where it came from and WHY it's in the game.

I even said it was data from previous years...

On top of that, the data you are trying to reference isn't relevant because it is NOT the same data. It;s not the identical chart....it's a chart broken down into different zones...one that you can find on any number of sites like 82Games.com...

but, again, not relevant here because it isn't broken down into the same Zones as the old data I simply referenced historically.

the only one who looks like a FOOL here is you...as you clearly can't even understand WHY the data you trying to use isn't relevant.

[DigiMich]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Well it wouldn't be unthinkable for them to have data on the percentage people shoot from each area. What I found interesting this year is that the zones kind of flipped sides on David West this year.

Well I say bump, I just mean they do better.

But again, I don't think it matters on open shots.

If you are talking open shots. I don't think the color matters.

Valid but does it say that anywhere? I honesty think that is unlikely because it would basically astronomically add to the amount of work they would have to do. They would have to go through every player and individually change what the hot zones are doing behind the scenes. Then of course that basically defeats the overall purpose of the hotzones because they are feeding you false or incomplete information.


Mouth.

I cant even read what you are saying.......paragraphs man. You have to stop putting a thousand 5 word sentences. Especially if you are gonna make an entire page worth of stuff. As far as a vendetta against you? Please...who are you that I would need to have a vendetta against? You are the one that has been calling me a child for 4 pages. I am only asking you to even remotely provide any evidence to what you say.

So I admit I didnt really read what you wrote just skimmed the last couple....and like always it seems like your proof is simply to tell me I am childish and wrong. You havent added anything to the thread at all so I dont know why you are still here. I dont know how many times I have to tell you that everyone understands the basic structure what hot zones mean: more shot/easier shots made cold means less/harder shots. That hasnt been the question since page one. So I dont really understand why you keep repeating it like somehow I am disagreeing with you.

The only thing I get from you is that nothing in the world is relevant expect (surprise surprise) the things you say and post.

I will say this though...its cowardice that you keep jumping on the bandwagon of other poster. You yourself havent been able to put two thoughts together but the very second someone else post a logical thought you are quick to be like "YAY WAT HE SAID!!!" Thats my friend is childish.


I just hope a mod doesnt come in here and close the thread because there is some discussion going on amongst the handful of people who are actually thinking.

[LoudMouthHoops]

Re: This is why you are missing open jumpshots.

Mouth.

I cant even read what you are saying.......paragraphs man. You have to stop putting a thousand 5 word sentences. Especially if you are gonna make an entire page worth of stuff. As far as a vendetta against you? Please...who are you that I would need to have a vendetta against? You are the one that has been calling me a child for 4 pages. I am only asking you to even remotely provide any evidence to what you say.

So I admit I didnt really read what you wrote just skimmed the last couple....and like always it seems like your proof is simply to tell me I am childish and wrong. You havent added anything to the thread at all so I dont know why you are still here. I dont know how many times I have to tell you that everyone understands the basic structure what hot zones mean: more shot/easier shots made cold means less/harder shots. That hasnt been the question since page one. So I dont really understand why you keep repeating it like somehow I am disagreeing with you.

The only thing I get from you is that nothing in the world is relevant expect (surprise surprise) the things you say and post.

I will say this though...its cowardice that you keep jumping on the bandwagon of other poster. You yourself havent been able to put two thoughts together but the very second someone else post a logical thought you are quick to be like "YAY WAT HE SAID!!!" Thats my friend is childish.


I just hope a mod doesnt come in here and close the thread because there is some discussion going on amongst the handful of people who are actually thinking.

Cowardice....??? This QUOTED text is the definition of "cowardice".

The BOLDED part is just too funny to even comprehend. But coming from you, I can't say I'm really surprised at this one bit. Surprised by the admission, yes...but surprised by the fact that you don't read my posts...not really.

Instead you choose to criticize how long my paragraphs are...LOL! A paragraph conveys one thought...and sometimes that can be put into very few words.

And your argument that shorter makes it "harder' to read...more nonsense.



As for the underlined part....this is exactly the same thing you did in the other thread. You shoot off into so many different tangents and directions that no one knows what the question or topic is anymore. We just know that we're all WRONG...and you are RIGHT.

So...humor me. What IS the question?

I asked you this very SAME QUESTION in that other thread after you kept repeating this same line. And you DUCKED it in that thread as well....likely because you get so far off track and convoluted that you yourself even seem to forget what the question is.

So tell me...what is this really DEEP, complex question about Hot/Cold Zones you are posing here?

It seems to have been lost on me...and numerous other intelligent posters here as well. Because I'm not the only person who seems to have no idea what the point of this entire IDIOTIC thread is.


I think the real problem is you are nothing more than a MENTAL MIDGET with nothing better to do than argue with people on the internet....and you just keep going in circles trying to prove how RIGHT you are....all the while just making your points more and more convoluted. To the point where even you start to lose track of what the HECK it is you are talking about.

Like I said, good luck in your quest to become a NBA2K "celebrity"...I'm done wasting my time on a sociopath like you.