True Franchise Players in 2k13

[Optik]

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Ricky Rubio

This thread has just become a place for people to talk about their favourite players. Rubio IRL wasn't even looked at as a partner for Love, just as another piece. In 2K, he's average from spotups and bad off the dribble, or in other words, he can't shoot (although he shoots better than Rondo).

I really don't get this obsession with people who can't shoot. If you're a perimeter player and can't shoot, then you are NOT a franchise player.

[JazzMan]

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Just because a perimeter player can't shoot from 3 doesn't mean that he can't be a franchise player.

For example, take Magic Johnson. He shot below 30% from 3 point land up until 1988-1989. So I'll take it he wasn't a franchise player, right?

[Optik]

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^^Congrats on the strawman argument. Rondo's mid range jumpers are WIDE OPEN, as in people would rather run away from the shot than towards it. There's no point in comparing his percentage there to Kobe, LeBron and Durant. I never said a perimeter player who can't shoot from 3 can't be a franchise player. I said can't shoot, simple.

Magic Johsnon was a 6'8 PG, so it didn't matter if people were going under his pick and rolls. He could always just abuse his matchup and create scoring opportunities. Your franchise player needs to score, it's as simple as that. BTW, when Magic joined the Lakers, the team wasn't built around him, seeing as they already had Kareem.

[JazzMan]

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^^Congrats on the strawman argument. Rondo's mid range jumpers are WIDE OPEN, as in people would rather run away from the shot than towards it. There's no point in comparing his percentage there to Kobe, LeBron and Durant. I never said a perimeter player who can't shoot from 3 can't be a franchise player. I said can't shoot, simple.

Magic Johsnon was a 6'8 PG, so it didn't matter if people were going under his pick and rolls. He could always just abuse his matchup and create scoring opportunities. Your franchise player needs to score, it's as simple as that. BTW, when Magic joined the Lakers, the team wasn't built around him, seeing as they already had Kareem.

I know that teams play off him, but when he shoots the jumper he often makes them pay. Rondo honestly just needs to be more assertive when it comes to scoring.

[thedoob]

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I know that teams play off him, but when he shoots the jumper he often makes them pay. Rondo honestly just needs to be more assertive when it comes to scoring.

If he shot more, his percentages would be worse. He has little to no confidence in his jumper. Bron takes those long 3s at the end of games because he BELIEVES he can make it. Rondo is not that type of guy.

[Optik]

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I know that teams play off him, but when he shoots the jumper he often makes them pay. Rondo honestly just needs to be more assertive when it comes to scoring.

I'm always bemused by this argument that Rondo just needs to be more aggressive. Since every possession isn't a fastbreak or transition, it's kind of hard to be more of a scorer, when teams are sagging off you so much begging you to shoot, which is really your only option, because you're not taking anyone off the dribble if they're sagging 5ft off of you. There's no feasible way of him getting more than 11 a game and at the same time avoid completely destroying the offense.

[thedoob]

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And then everyone points to his playoff games, where teams stupidly play him more aggressive. First off, it's against logic and stats to do this. Second, the Cs don't win that many games when he does do it.

Switch Rondo with Irving and this argument is completely over. Rondo is not a complete player, much like Reggie Miller. You can build a team around them and do well, but they will never be a 'franchise player' on a championship team. It's that simple.

[buickbeast]

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Perimeter guy that can shoot or Rondo?
I'll take a point guard that's a triple double machine in the playoffs as my franchise player anytime.

[JazzMan]

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Perimeter guy that can shoot or Rondo?
I'll take a point guard that's a triple double machine in the playoffs as my franchise player anytime.

My point exactly. He's also one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

I'd rather have Rajon Rondo, who gets the rest of the team involved and does a lot of things fairly well, over a "franchise player" PG like Kyrie, who is a phenomenal shooter and solid passer, but still has lots of things he needs to polish up on in order to be on Rondo's level.

[Phreezy P]

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Stop criticizing this guys list.

He asked you one thing,

Here are my 10... what are yours?

He has the right to his own opinion. If you disagree, make a list you think is better.

[The_Answer_I3]

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put rondo on a bad team and he would suck he got lucky he got put into a good situation.

[SaylaB]

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Stop criticizing this guys list.

These guys are just trying to make a case for Rondo being a franchise player, on their list. In 2k, for that matter. We're not talking about who in real life is a 'franchise player'.

The definition of a franchise player is fairly ambiguous and is differing among users here. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the requirements are for a franchise player in 2k.

I think that's the first step to holding a meaningful, respectful debate over franchise players. There's no need for bashing other people's opinions in favor of your own.

I can't really stand ground in this argument because I haven't simmed enough seasons and looked at enough stats to see who garners 'franchise player' respect. A franchise player in 2k and a franchise player in real life are 2 different things.

Also, I think we're talking sim stats only when it comes to franchise players. I'm pretty sure we're all aware of how easy it is to take a minuscule player in 2k and turn him into a franchise player. Sliders make it harder, but if you force the issue, I could turn just about anyone who can score the basketball into a franchise player. Or anyone who can drop dimes can be my franchise player. Or I can make an elite athlete develop a jump shot. Or turn a 7' footer into a beast on the block.

I think you get the point. User vs. CPU franchise players are totally different.

We just need to level the playing field and conduct some more thorough experiments. Throw real life judgment aside, because that has no place in this argument. People are bringing in real life stats and figures like they matter in an argument about who's better in a video game. The title says "in 2k13". If you want to talk about players in real life, there are countless other places on the internet you can talk about that. Even right here on OS there's a forum for real life basketball.

Just suggestions.

[Optik]

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Perimeter guy that can shoot or Rondo?
I'll take a point guard that's a triple double machine in the playoffs as my franchise player anytime.

Congratulations, you've just destroyed a strawman.

[koolvid12]

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LOL at wade not being a franchise player RIGHT NOW. I use him as the number 1 option sometimes and tear it up completely.

[koolvid12]

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My list of irl Franchise Players would include neither Davis nor Eric Gordon. In 2k13, I've found that Gordon gets injured a lot. I'd say about 35% of the total games played, he was injured.

I list Anthony, because each year 2k seems to boost the number one draft pick's attributes and they always play like a Franchise Player- in 2k11, John Wall is a definite Franchise Player, but irl, and in 2k13, I don't think he makes the cut.



Tony Parker has very much flown under the radar of national recognition for several years but he does not make my list irl nor in 2k13. At one time Tim Duncan most definately would have made my irl, but not today's Tim Duncan. Both Duncan and Parker are elite, but they both require additional talent irl to make it to the finals... in 2k13, both are too old in age to build a Franchise on as the main anchor and star for the next 10+ years.

Kobe makes the list for 2k13 but not irl (for me) because he keeps playing and does not retire and he continues to play at the highly rated level 2k gives him in attributes.



I thought long and hard on Aldridge, and he is borderline close for my irl list. I do think the Portland team now considers him their best building block. In 2k13, Aldridge doesn't ever break top 10 in any stat and that was why I did not include him.

Lillard is a rookie - irl no rookie makes my list, not Anthony nor Lillard. In 2k13, Lillard really shines as Portland's star and he does so, out of the gate.



irl: 2006/7 Wade - yes. 2013 Wade - no. In 2k13, my experience with Wade has been that once Lebron leaves Miami (which he always does) Miami falls out of the finals and does not make it back with out another star's help. That is why I left him off for 2k13.



I agree with you about DWill in real life; in 2k13 he is borderline for me. The major factor for me against him is that at 28, he could not be your cornerstone for 10+ years. He just does not have the elite attribute scores Kobe has to survive the 2k "aging process.

what do you mean IRL just 06/07 wade are you serious just those 2 years