Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

nah. all it takes is a double button tap to spin into the lane and lay it up in traffic. i played against a guy that was the raptors last night and besides the occasional dunk in traffic(which is also over powered) with gay and derozen, his only offense was spinning into the lane and laying it up with rudy gay. its cheesy as hell and it takes no skill. but the worst part about it is ITS NOT FUN TO PLAY LIKE THAT. you cant tell me this dude actually enjoys playing the game like that lol.

I hate this, but what I have been doing for a while now and its helped me actually get decent players in quick match mode (which I don't play often).

So after every game I submit a player review (thru Xbox Live), if they quit early or cheese heavily I give them a bad review, which blocks them from pairing up with you again in quick match. Now if they play real bball, I give them a good review and therefore I am more likely to be matched up with them or players like them (thru the review system). So instead of having 1/5 real ballers in quick match, I am now at about 3/5 opponents being real bballers and not cheesers, just some fyi for y'all.

[Thunder Storm]

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^^^ I love being able to get a rematch against cheesers. One time i lost to a Miami cheeser and he was clowning me on the mic the whole game saying "Linsanity is over bro" whenever i would miss with Lin and replaying all his dunks.

but I got to face him again and whooped his ***.

[sreckless]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Assuming "cheese" doesn't include outright glitches and "sim" doesn't mean rigidly following a set of dogmatic principles (like making sure they shoot a certain amount of mid-range jumpers regardless of what the defense gives them), the player with the greater mastery of the game will win the vast majority of the time.

If real basketball knowledge is an important part of having complete mastery of a basketball videogame, sim players should generally be better than cheesers, given equal stick skills.

However, fully understanding NBA 2k also means knowing where real techniques are inferior to ones that may only exist in the virtual world. These techniques should only be considered cheese if there is no reliable counter to them, because basketball (or any other head-to-head sport) is all about finding/creating competitive advantages over the opponent. Having to compromise part of your defense to contain a certain player or take away the first couple of options on a given possession are realities that actual NBA teams face every game.

There will always be the possibility of someone that has simply put in more hours than other NBA 2k players, and has been able to think outside the box because they didn't limit themselves to existing basketball strategies. A player like this would undoubtedly be labeled a cheeser because they'd be capable of things others weren't, even if no part of their game relied on exploits.

Ultimately, it's a videogame. Someone who plays it as such and lets their playstyle flow to the (hopefully competitively fair/universally accessible) boundaries of its technical limitations, rather than constraining themselves by trying to perfectly emulate NBA basketball, will be the ultimate NBA 2k competitor.

I've tried to absorb as many complaints about 2k13 as possible, and I'd say that while this entry in the series has many aspects that people nearly unanimously feel need improvement, there has been a sharp reduction in complaints about PvP imbalance. Other than the Euro 3 glitch, there is no single player-initiated offensive or defensive technique that can only be beaten by copying/using it for the entire duration of a game, and has overwhelmed novice or devoutly "sim" players to the point that it has sustained a lengthy thread (the worst offender would seem to be the 1-3-1 zone defense).

Once a strategy has an element of risk equal to its potential reward, as in the OP's example of transition threes, it can no longer accurately be called cheesy, it instead becomes foolish to continue using it in the wrong scenario. Because it's more socially acceptable to say cheeser/cheese rather than fool/folly, we keep using those terms even when/where they no longer apply.

A player who refuses to adapt their playstyle to the opponent is a bad competitor, period - regardless of what that style looks like. Concerning yourself primarily with how a game looks may make you a simulator (or more appropriately perhaps, a chameleon if you're good at it and a poseur if you're not), but it doesn't make you a competitor. Considering all of that, I'd suggest that what a person labels cheese in 2k13 probably says more about them than the so-called cheesers.

A player that doesn't concern themselves with fitting into a certain category will beat a player of similar skill that does, maybe not the first time or every time, but within a few head-to-head matches this will consistently be the case.

Tremendous post. IMO it describes the issue with perfect clarity.

[Optik]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

The only exploits I can think of in 2K11 was the hopstep and the spin dunk. Everything else could be stopped with defense. You definitely had a better chance beating "cheesers" in 2K11.


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No you didn't. There's only one exploit in 2K13, and that's the Euro Step 3, which has been nerfed by the acrobat skill being taken away.

[oOlak]

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How would you play against them? Slow place game to make them mad, double everytime their star player have the ball?

I play with the Cavs, btw. my record is 255-20

I think the hardest part of playing simball against them is not to fall for their style. When i'm not falling for their pumpfakes and stayin in front of the guy all the time, the most guys have a hard time scoring. For some reason they will only pass the ball, when the double is coming..

I play slow paced offense with the Wizards (11-0) and a little bit uptempo with the Suns (4-1). One time a dude messaged me after a blowout win "you son of a *** i would beat u *** if u wouldnt hold the ball that much"

A good simball player should beat a good cheeser with defense (imo).

[Tr98185]

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Today was the worst. I play 5 games. 3 outta the five were guys playing with the heat AND running a zone. I run with the blazers. I have a screen play that i usually run when they play zone tho that gets me open shots through gaps. That pisses them off.

Sometimes its easy because I know they will just try to drive to the hole with Lebron, Kd, etc.

Funny thing is that I have the most problems with Kobe cheesers.

[Dash2112]

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Today was the worst. I play 5 games. 3 outta the five were guys playing with the heat AND running a zone. I run with the blazers. I have a screen play that i usually run when they play zone tho that gets me open shots through gaps. That pisses them off.

Sometimes its easy because I know they will just try to drive to the hole with Lebron, Kd, etc.

Funny thing is that I have the most problems with Kobe cheesers.

Yeah, Kobe cheesers are a real pain the ***.

[Jrocc23]

No you didn't. There's only one exploit in 2K13, and that's the Euro Step 3, which has been nerfed by the acrobat skill being taken away.

You can still hit that shot and the spin dunk is still exploited from double tapping B. it's not as bad as it was in 2K11 but its still abused and very unrealistic. 2K11 is like 2-3 years old and still is way more balanced than 2K13 smh. You can lock down on 2K11 and actually play D without being put into animations while playing D lol.



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[Thunder Storm]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Kobe's midrange is glitched, if you miss its a fluke...really annoying facing him.

[bm011]

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A great sim player can beat a great cheeser. The problem is that cheesing doesn't only consist of taking transition three's, there is a lot more too it that good cheesers do, and that is hard to stop. But once you realize how they cheese, there is almost always a way to stop it.

[DrX]

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my record is 464 - 106 and i only play with the nets , wiz, portland and the bobcats

to win u have to really understand the gm and play nasty defense....and slow the gm down, take smart shots etc.......


basically u need a high BB I.Q

[Vni]

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High barbecue IQ?