1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

[bm011]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

im talking about people that play 1-3-1 zone(which this thread is about btw, not off ball defense which you seem to think it is about) then they just constantly switch defenders and lurk to cut off all passing lanes and to spam the steal button.

and you're a funny guy, i love people like you. you dont know anything about the people you choose to argue with and you take things way out of proportion. i dont play one on one basketball, i pass the ball around on every possession because i suck at driving. shows how much you know about my play style. also, i do think its cheesy but i still play against randoms because its fun going against real people and i like beating their cheese. you dont make any sense and everything you say just makes you sound like an enraged cheeser that feels like they have to prove that their play style is legit.

Your talking about 1-3-1, however, the other user did say that off-ball D is cheese.

[tetoleetd]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

Your talking about 1-3-1, however, the other user did say that off-ball D is cheese.

off ball defense is cheesy IMO if the person is playing man defense. if you constantly play off ball defense and you even switch your man when the person your guarding gets the ball, you're wack. that just means you dont want to actually stop your opponent from scoring, you want the computer to do it for you. thats cheesy.

[aussieicon91]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

Um, yeah, congratulations on stating the obvious. Playing off-ball D doesn't mean you're playing any less head to head than if you were playing on-ball.

Um, the only way people wouldn't take responsibility on D, is if they didn't touch their controller or literally just walked to other side of the court and waited for the defensive possession to end. That doesn't happen, otherwise you would be seeing defensive 3 second violations constantly.

I've always been amused by this bizzare notion that your masculinity should be questioned if you don't play on-ball D. That is stupidity defined. The game knows no silly notions of 'honour' or 'ethics'. It only knows win or lose. I'd suggest you start trying to win.

You can already take control of another player during an offensive possession and the CPU will take over control of your ball-handler.

I assure you that I have plenty of jokes, but this isn't one of them. There isn't anything rational about complaining about something which isn't a problem. The onus is on you to beat those who exclusively play off-ball. They don't have a moral obligation to play the same style as you.

That's because there is NO other side. There is no debate to be had. 2K have given the user the ability to play both on ball and off ball, so any qualms about balance in that respect don't deserve any attention. If you can't beat someone who plays off-ball D all game, that's on you, and ONLY you.

Unfortunately for you, I think FPS games are puddles of moose piss, so I'm not a hypocrite, and FPS games aren't attempting to simulate real-life. NBA 2K IS. Off ball-D has been in NBA 2K for over a decade. Get used to it, or play Team-Up. This isn't a one-on-one game.

So in otherwords, cheese as much as possible without regret because it doesn't matter as long as you still win.

Right, I'm going to the market to buy LeBron.

Agreed, they shouldn't be. There are definitely downfalls to the game. However, I would say he just sucks if he can barely win with Wilt and Russell vs Mahinimi and Illyasova because Wilt and Russell are dominant.

I think you need to relook the stats sheet. He had 16 more total possessions/shots then I did because of the bogus Offensive Rebounds which is pretty much rested in the hands of how the CPU wants to play it. You obviously don't play MyTEAM enough because you're very ignorant to the issue.
And FTR the guy had LeBron, Kobe and James Harden on his team, hardly a scrub team.

[bm011]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

So in otherwords, cheese as much as possible without regret because it doesn't matter as long as you still win.

Right, I'm going to the market to buy LeBron.


I think you need to relook the stats sheet. He had 16 more total possessions/shots then I did because of the bogus Offensive Rebounds which is pretty much rested in the hands of how the CPU wants to play it. You obviously don't play MyTEAM enough because you're very ignorant to the issue.
And FTR the guy had LeBron, Kobe and James Harden on his team, hardly a scrub team.

Your actually right. I don't play myteam all that much at all, cause its a cheese fest (just like quick match). I play online association and association with sliders, which could definitely be skewing my ideas. (The sliders make everything pretty spot on. Its unfortunate that myteam and quick game are plagued by these issues.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

Myteam gameplay is more cheesy from any mode in the game by far.

[aussieicon91]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

Your actually right. I don't play myteam all that much at all, cause its a cheese fest (just like quick match). I play online association and association with sliders, which could definitely be skewing my ideas. (The sliders make everything pretty spot on. Its unfortunate that myteam and quick game are plagued by these issues.

MyTEAM takes no skill, rewards poor players and disfavours players who actually try to play real basketball. You come across either 3pt shufflers, Lebroners, Superteams or Off Ball Softcocks 98% of the time. I'm about to sell out and become one of them.

[nowitsourtime]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

I dislike off ball D for online simply because when I go online, I want to play another human being. I want the human element to enter the game. I don't mind people who play off-ball occassionally to cut off lanes or deny the most obvious pass. But if you're just going to camp with the center and then switch off whenever my center gets the ball, I should just play offline vs the Cpu where they don't turbo their way into the lane with lebron and then posterize 3 defenders.

And I mean seriously, how am I going to burn you badly by posting up with Jermaine O'Neal?

[cardinalbird5]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

How about fun? Where is the fun in playing the CPU one on one all game? I will never play someone that plays off ball more than once because it's just plain boring. If I want to play the CPU I can save me the lag and play offline with custom sliders.

Too many people plays that game to win at all coasts. If you're bad at playing on ball D, well play it and get better.

1 on 1? It is 5 on 5...I take you don't run plays, look to iso with Bron Bron and expect people to guard you straight up?

[Vni]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

1 on 1? It is 5 on 5...I take you don't run plays, look to iso with Bron Bron and expect people to guard you straight up?

Yeah that's exactly what I do. I Iso, spin and dunk on everyone.

Plays? lol. What for? I just spin around.

[MrMars]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

@Optik

Did you just drop "Tautology" on these folks? I haven't seen that word since college, even though it was used quite accurately for this thread.

Anyway, seems to me that everyone who is lambasting those who play off-ball D primarily are mad because they have some preconceived notion as to how the game should be played, which is not being agreed with by their opponent.

Ultimately, the desire to win will always trump the desire to maintain true aesthetics. Folks need to realize that the two are mutually exclusive. And that an aesthetically pleasing NBA Basketball simulation online requires BOTH players buying into that notion.

However, if you are going to dredge into the abyss of "Online Ranked Play" in NBA 2K13, you can't expect some unwritten code of ethics or honor in how the game is played. People will do what has shown to be most effective in most cases.

This is why I don't play that mode.

Peace,

MrMars

[tetoleetd]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

1 on 1? It is 5 on 5...I take you don't run plays, look to iso with Bron Bron and expect people to guard you straight up?

haha you people are ridiculous. every single one of you assumes that because we complain, we must play like cheesers.

VNI is a well known and respected member on this board and he edits PLAYBOOKS for every team and puts them out for OS users to download. and you think he doesnt run plays and is a cheeser. thats FUNNY!

[WizardJay]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

Played against a skooya style defense last night and won. Its annoying buts it is beatable.

[Law504]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

Played against a skooya style defense last night and won. Its annoying buts it is beatable.

shookya defense is super easy to beat why play zone when you have one of the best defense in the game

[Turtlemayor]

Re: 1-3-1 Zone/Trap/Double Team

My problem with these defenses is either that the court is too small or the players are too big and too fast. Like if I have Magic Johnson getting double teamed as soon as I get into the half-court offense, I should have an open wing in that situation without his CPU controlled Dwight Howard suddenly having incredible boosts to his speed and reflexes to knock down that pass when he was standing still in the post just one second before. People who run this basically get a sixth defender.

[Sundown]

@Optik

Did you just drop "Tautology" on these folks? I haven't seen that word since college, even though it was used quite accurately for this thread.

Anyway, seems to me that everyone who is lambasting those who play off-ball D primarily are mad because they have some preconceived notion as to how the game should be played, which is not being agreed with by their opponent.

Ultimately, the desire to win will always trump the desire to maintain true aesthetics. Folks need to realize that the two are mutually exclusive. And that an aesthetically pleasing NBA Basketball simulation online requires BOTH players buying into that notion.

However, if you are going to dredge into the abyss of "Online Ranked Play" in NBA 2K13, you can't expect some unwritten code of ethics or honor in how the game is played. People will do what has shown to be most effective in most cases.

This is why I don't play that mode.

Peace,

MrMars

Making true aesthetics compatible with the desire to win is possible only if the game design is robust and rewards simulation play. 2K quick match doesn't with it's low difficulty level, lack of interior contact, and rewarding of twitching and off balance, contested threes.

I actually play off ball at times in order to maintain aesthetics. I usually only play off ball heavily if the other player is taking advantage of lag and twitching around the perimeter to get daylight for a three or running full tilt and spazing after every possession to get a dunk or a corner three off. It helps me settle my defense amidst the lag and chaos. I don't mind on ball if the other player is actually playing sim ball. Instead, people jerk and chuck instead of using the dribble escape and set up moves that are there for you to get realistic shots off with. Otherwise, I play a little off ball here and there to prevent some perimeter passing, and I admit to going more off ball if I can't get any stops on the perimeter at all.

Switching off even your bigs to avoid playing defense at all is just silly though.