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  • mango_prom
    Pro
    • Oct 2008
    • 737

    #16
    Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

    I'd love if 2k would rebuild a lot of the basic game mechanics instead of simply making the current game a bit more shiny and high-def.

    A few other points:

    1) Less focus on the sheer quantity of moves and animations, instead concentrate on maybe less variety but implement a better collision logic and defensive counters for every flashy offensive move.

    2) Rosters finally based on actual real-life stats instead of whatever they're doing right now. There have been a few attempts to do this by the community already, so it would be great if 2k would convert advanced statistics directly into ratings and tendencies. You can't argue with reality, so if rosters are based on the real thing, what is there to criticise?

    3) Finally fix play execution for CPU teams. Give us a usage%-system that actuall works without scripting involved as well as the AI finally using every play assigned to a team instead of the mess we have right now. Won't buy 2k14 if they won't fix this huge mess.

    4) Association needs an overhaul in terms of generated players and AI roster management. The issue has been beaten to death already, so I won't repeat what everybody knows.

    5) In 2k12 we had the "abilities"-menu for players where we could finetune the effectiveness of various offensive moves for each player individually.
    If 2k really wants to develop a basketball "simulation", features like this are absolutely essential and need to be expanded further.

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    • Rockie_Fresh88
      Lockdown Defender
      • Oct 2011
      • 9621

      #17
      Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

      Better player movement .
      No sliding
      Crispier passing
      More effective defense
      Blockable dunks
      Contact on dunk animations
      The momentum system has got to go
      No more euro step threes
      Signature skills were cheesy
      Better roster updates
      Better defensive involvement
      No slowing down on fast breaks
      CPU pass out of every shot to Avoid blocks is cheesy
      Myteam rating updates
      No hands going thru ball on blocks
      No momentum or signature skill boosts
      #1 Laker fan
      First Team Defense !!!

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      • BUCKSWEATSHIRT
        Rookie
        • Nov 2012
        • 434

        #18
        Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

        Originally posted by Streaky McFloorburn
        I want it all; money, fast cars
        Diamond rings, gold chains and champagne
        ****, everydamn thing
        I want it all; houses, expenses
        My own business, a truck, hmm, and a couple o' Benz's
        I want it all; brand new socks and drawls
        And I'm ballin everytime I stop and talk to y'all
        Lls, that had me cracking up

        1) Wing spans are a must it will improve blocking.
        2) I'm tired of the simulation sliders not being simulation! We should have those sliders based on league average statistics to make it more "sim".
        3) Ratings and tendencies should also be based on the players average statistics. It's time to make things more real.
        4) DEFENSE!!!
        5) Bring crew back just to say thank you to everybody for paying their money for your game. I personally didn't play it, but it would make everyone happy.

        I have more but I understand it will take a couple years for everything so I'll just leave it at that for now. I'd also like to thank 2k for being a great franchise that does improve from year to year unlike some others.
        Last edited by BUCKSWEATSHIRT; 02-21-2013, 05:09 PM.
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        • Thunder Storm
          Rookie
          • Dec 2010
          • 480

          #19
          Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

          Well PS4 is coming out christmas holidays...looks i'm never gonna buy a 2K game for PS3 again.
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          • TheTrueHooperAIO
            Rookie
            • Jan 2012
            • 130

            #20
            Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

            1) Of course an ESPN or TNT license
            2) Better color menu or even a menu like the old NBA Live where they had the player highlights (no corny gold menu)
            3) Updated hair, facial hair, and even faces (if they get alot of complaints on a face)
            4) The slender (KD, Austin Daye, Tayshaun Prince), Buff (Lebron, Dwight, Maggette), and Husky (Glen Davis) option
            5) Better AI of course
            6) More classic teams in the 2000's
            7) Take a picture and have it used in game like in FIFA
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            • BluFu
              MVP
              • May 2012
              • 3596

              #21
              Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

              i'm not sure how advanced the ps4 will be but could we have a top 10 plays of the day/week for association?(even for games you didn't play), that would be sick.

              also:
              -create a jumpshot
              -hex edit(?)

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              • NINJAK2
                *S *dd*ct
                • Jan 2003
                • 6185

                #22
                Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                Originally posted by cgalligan
                - Foot planting... No more sliding... With the added power of these new systems this should be achievable...

                - Physics... Everything needs to be driven by physics, NOT animations... Never see the same thing twice (ie - Backbreaker)

                - Build on the great presentation... Mimic real life broadcasts, not "2k broadcasts"... Having different overlays for TNT, ESPN and NBA TV games would be cool

                I'm sure I could think of plenty more... I'll post some more thoughts later.

                I love most of what I'm seeing from everyone else though. Nice work fellas.
                Great ideas cg but a basketball game without animations will not work. 2k prides itself on individual styles and animations are a big reason why those dunks/dribbles/shots/etc. look so much like the real players. Physics in regards to players ghosting or pushing through defenders in position is a big problem due to certain offensive animations playing out too long or completely negating defender position. If they can make contact matter in all areas of the game that would be a huge step in the right direction.

                I really don't want them spending any more money on sports tv personalities to be in the game. No need to waste extra money on additional TNT people as the commentary right now is top notch. Just focus on gameplay 2k(playbooks,graphics,tendencies, etc)
                EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                • JZ2
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 193

                  #23
                  Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                  Nothing even matters since they dont even take the rosters seriously and all the players are rated wrong. Ruins the game period.

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                  • Optimus James
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 393

                    #24
                    Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                    Originally posted by JZ2
                    Nothing even matters since they dont even take the rosters seriously and all the players are rated wrong. Ruins the game period.
                    For the next gen they will definitely be more spot on with the rosters and ratings. So much memory to use, they will have an abundance of categories and whatnot.

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                    • mango_prom
                      Pro
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 737

                      #25
                      Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                      Originally posted by Optimus James
                      For the next gen they will definitely be more spot on with the rosters and ratings. So much memory to use, they will have an abundance of categories and whatnot.
                      We don't need next gen for better rosters. They can't even get the most simple things right with the current tendency system, so why implement even more stuff to screw up?

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                      • PJBrownHeat
                        Rookie
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 398

                        #26
                        Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                        Phil Jackson !!

                        On Big TV in the center of the arena (you know the 4 big TV) we could watch Real Action not only logo!! it's ridiculous in 2013 !!!

                        better presentation of the players!!

                        better triangle offense for classics bulls !!!

                        george eddy and eric besnard for french commentators !!! noooo !!!! it's a bad joke 2k !!!! don't worry lol

                        maybe call in a microphone a strategy

                        combot of several strategy or better triangle offense

                        better cat and cap!!!

                        better loading!!!

                        better graphism!!

                        change the color of horace grant googles!!! red white blue because it was diifficult to do it on ps3 and 360 lol!!!

                        not area restriction in the paint for court before 1997!!! same thing that googles color!! lol

                        more classic team, maybe it will be possible to make a mode with 50 classic team because it will be more space on the blueray and on the technology of the hdd!!

                        classic court for dream team!!!

                        not the possiblities to play with the dream team against usa 2012 lol because it is not sim!!!! lol

                        a better size for the court, sideline is too much shorter i think (i'm not sure of that)!!

                        better triangle offense, better triangle offense, and better triangle offense!!

                        thanks.

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                        • cgalligan
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 1675

                          #27
                          Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                          Originally posted by mango_prom
                          We don't need next gen for better rosters. They can't even get the most simple things right with the current tendency system, so why implement even more stuff to screw up?
                          I purposely don't read allot of threads about some of the "issues" that the game has because I don't want the threads and other people's opinion to influence my thoughts on the game.. .

                          Quickly, whats "wrong" with player tendencies? From my games that I play, I see players acting like themselves pretty well throughout the game... Playing the Heat, LeBron and Dwade drive and kick allot... the team runs allot of iso plays for them... vs Denver they are up and down quickly... vs the Bulls they play great defense...

                          Maybe I'm just not seeing the issues that some others are seeing?
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                          • Goffs
                            New Ork Giants
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 12279

                            #28
                            Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                            Originally posted by cgalligan
                            I purposely don't read allot of threads about some of the "issues" that the game has because I don't want the threads and other people's opinion to influence my thoughts on the game.. .

                            Quickly, whats "wrong" with player tendencies? From my games that I play, I see players acting like themselves pretty well throughout the game... Playing the Heat, LeBron and Dwade drive and kick allot... the team runs allot of iso plays for them... vs Denver they are up and down quickly... vs the Bulls they play great defense...

                            Maybe I'm just not seeing the issues that some others are seeing?
                            There is no issue with player tendencies the issue is that the big time players get all the attention when it comes to tendencies but when it comes down to the other players...yeah...good luck contacting 2k insider just to get something changed...

                            I don't understand how updating rosters constantly considered next gen?

                            Physics
                            Lighting
                            Atmosphere
                            Graphics (tons more polygons now that its closer to high end)

                            When I think next gen I think graphics close to real life....I'm reading through here you guys are asking for sock changes and roster updates? REALLY?! Those are not next gen guys all you guys are asking for is a much more reliable 2kinsider...basically just fire this guy and get someone else to do his job...someone from OS preferably....

                            I think 2k14 should really consider roster updates done by the community...just have the reliable roster guys here and have them upload it to 2k and have them pick the roster...
                            Last edited by Goffs; 02-22-2013, 11:03 AM.

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                            • cgalligan
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 1675

                              #29
                              Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                              Originally posted by NINJAK2
                              Great ideas cg but a basketball game without animations will not work. 2k prides itself on individual styles and animations are a big reason why those dunks/dribbles/shots/etc. look so much like the real players. Physics in regards to players ghosting or pushing through defenders in position is a big problem due to certain offensive animations playing out too long or completely negating defender position. If they can make contact matter in all areas of the game that would be a huge step in the right direction.

                              I really don't want them spending any more money on sports tv personalities to be in the game. No need to waste extra money on additional TNT people as the commentary right now is top notch. Just focus on gameplay 2k(playbooks,graphics,tendencies, etc)
                              Good point, I didn't think of that... I guess what I was trying to say is, what you said, they need to have every collision and interaction detectable while still having those nice animations...

                              I have no clue how to program so I'm not going to say it would be easy lol... I honestly enjoy the game as it is now, but, I do see some strange situations and player movements from time to time.
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                              • Optimus James
                                Rookie
                                • Feb 2013
                                • 393

                                #30
                                Re: Next Gen 2k (what do you want)

                                Originally posted by Goffs
                                There is no issue with player tendencies the issue is that the big time players get all the attention when it comes to tendencies but when it comes down to the other players...yeah...good luck contacting 2k insider just to get something changed...

                                I don't understand how updating rosters constantly considered next gen?

                                Physics
                                Lighting
                                Atmosphere
                                Graphics (tons more polygons now that its closer to high end)

                                When I think next gen I think graphics close to real life....I'm reading through here you guys are asking for sock changes and roster updates? REALLY?! Those are not next gen guys all you guys are asking for is a much more reliable 2kinsider...basically just fire this guy and get someone else to do his job...someone from OS preferably....

                                I think 2k14 should really consider roster updates done by the community...just have the reliable roster guys here and have them upload it to 2k and have them pick the roster...
                                Have you seen PS4 reveal ? its a basically a high end computer from 2010.

                                That's why people are not expecting "close to real life" graphics. I'm expecting 2k14 on next gen consoles to look about as good as 2k13 on an expensive gaming rig.

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