NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

[giftedchick]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

I almost agree with everything you said. Almost.

It is irrelevant to keep bringing up history. I did not until I mentioned that Utah made the Conference Finals a few years back, but this cj2008 fellow keeps mentioning how Utah is a horrible team because they haven't been to the Finals since 98. By that logic, the Knicks are a horrible team as well, as are the Clippers and the Grizzlies.

I also think that Utah should have moved Millsap or Jefferson before the deadline, but that's a different discussion altogether.

The part that I don't agree with, though, is how you say Utah only has Millsap and Jefferson and are not threats to anybody.

That's where you're wrong. As of right now, they're a threat to the Lakers, being that if Utah beats them out for the 8th seed, LA's season goes down as the most disappointing in league history. We've also seen it with Memphis that an 8th seed can at least put up a fight against the top team.

As for them "only having Millsap and Jefferson," Mo Williams is finally getting back in his groove and Gordon Hayward is coming along nicely. Derrick Favors has been terrific as of late, but unfortunately, Kanter is out for the rest of the season. Both Favors and Kanter have been dominant off the bench and could be starters for lots of teams in the league.

what i meant was.. millsap/jefferson are their only 'threats'... i cant imagine another team's scouting/agenda to be: "we really need to watch out for (favours, hayward, carrol, foye)".. not saying any of those guys arent talented, but a threat? i think not.

as for the lakers... the lakers are their own worst enemy... injuries and utter lack of chemistry was their downfall (although the season still isnt over - only half a game back)
the difference between the lakers and the jazz is they have multiple players (at different positions) who i would consider 'threats'

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

I'm sorry but just making the playoffs to get swept or beat isn't impressive to me at all that's just a waste of a playoff spot... If your not even going to be able to COMPETE

You do realize that's exactly the point of the current seeding system, right? The 7th and 8th seed are playing the 1st and 2nd because they're supposed to lose for the sake of good TV ratings by matching up the top seed in later rounds.

The grizzlies are trash and have always been trash I though they were going to do great coming into the playoffs this year then they traded away Rudy Gay.... For cap space.... So I don't really expect much from them anymore

Rudy Gay? Really?
Now you might not know this, but there's a difference between NBA2k and real life...in a video game, Gay is a spectacular superhero-like player.
In the real world, he's giving you about 18 ppg shooting 40% from the field and 30% from 3. That's a joke for a guy taking 16 shots per game.

If you had actually watched a few Grizzlies games and looked up his numbers you'd realize that it was a great decision to trade him. He's insanely inefficient for a guy taking that many shots. Not a great passer, either.
Now Prince is a slightly worse rebounder, but he's simply more solid all around. Better passer, less turnovers, slightly more efficient offensively and doesn't shoot his team out of games with his lack of offensive IQ.

So to me, both players are on teams they belong on. Prince is contributing to a playoff team, while Gay chucks away in Canada.

The Memphis front office did the right thing, loading off a player that won't help them at all in the playoffs for a valuable role player and cap space.

And what are you talking about the Nuggets were just in the Conference finals in 08-09 season and I respect the Nuggets more than the Jazz because they still Compete against any team they play against

Do you even read other posts? I've said the Nuggets only made it past the 2nd round once in 25 years (the exception being 08/09), you basically repeat that and disagree?

You're trolling, right?

[regGQ]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Weekly melo post

His inside/close/med ratings are 91/87/87

for reference

Kobe's 94/92/89
Durant's 93/94/92
Westbrook's 91/92/88

other updates to consider his offensive rebounding, low post offense, post fadeaway (Durant actually has a higher rating in that) and his hustle at 66 is a joke

also consider adding another signature skill, one of
heat retention/microwave/post proficiency/hustle points

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Weekly melo post

His inside/close/med ratings are 91/87/87

for reference

Kobe's 94/92/89
Durant's 93/94/92
Westbrook's 91/92/88

Melo's inside rating should be lower than that, his FG% around the rim is comparable to players like Kemba Walker, good but not great at all.

Mid range scaling is something that I don't understand at all in 2k13. If you look at the league as a whole, it makes much more sense to put players into different tiers using maybe 5 or 10 point increments instead of this crap of +2,-3 and so on.
Using that logic, Melo is absolutely in the top tier of midrange players, but then again....if 2k would do it right, players like Mayo or Walker should not be that much worse in terms of their midrange rating.

I would even argue that players like Stephen Curry and O.J. Mayo should have higher midrange ratings than Melo/Kobe, with the shoot off the dribble rating being the deciding factor in making Anthony and Bryant superior scorers. But even if 2k wanted to do so, they couldn't becaues of twitter exploding from 12 year olds whining about their favorite superstar getting hated on.

[Blackhail92]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Melo's inside rating should be lower than that, his FG% around the rim is comparable to players like Kemba Walker, good but not great at all.

Mid range scaling is something that I don't understand at all in 2k13. If you look at the league as a whole, it makes much more sense to put players into different tiers using maybe 5 or 10 point increments instead of this crap of +2,-3 and so on.
Using that logic, Melo is absolutely in the top tier of midrange players, but then again....if 2k would do it right, players like Mayo or Walker should not be that much worse in terms of their midrange rating.

I would even argue that players like Stephen Curry and O.J. Mayo should have higher midrange ratings than Melo/Kobe, with the shoot off the dribble rating being the deciding factor in making Anthony and Bryant superior scorers. But even if 2k wanted to do so, they couldn't becaues of twitter exploding from 12 year olds whining about their favorite superstar getting hated on.

Melo's inside/med/3 point shot are fine. Maybe a slight bump in medium range. But as mentioned before his 5th sig skill should be heat retention/hustle points/ post proficiency. and his offensive rebounding,low post offense, low post defense(kobe has a better low post defense as of the current update)post fadeaway, and hustle could be considered for an upgrade

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Melo's inside/med/3 point shot are fine. Maybe a slight bump in medium range. But as mentioned before his 5th sig skill should be heat retention/hustle points/ post proficiency. and his offensive rebounding,low post offense, low post defense(kobe has a better low post defense as of the current update)post fadeaway, and hustle could be considered for an upgrade

I have to disagree. Let's look at inside shooting%:

Lebron 78 FG% on 7 attempts
Durant 75 FG% on 4.5 attempts
Kobe 70 FG% on 5 attempts
Melo 55 FG% on 6 attempts

Melo has never shot worse at the rim than this season. Now there are a lot of things he excels at, but strictly talking about scoring near the basket, he clearly does not belong into a conversation about the most efficient inside scorers. It's not even close.

Also, why hustle points? His inside rating is already too high to begin with, now use a sig skill to further overrate his abilities? He is a solid offensive rebounder, which should be reflected in his OReb rating, but that's not related to scoring efficency, which is why I don't understand him getting the hustle skill.

[Blackhail92]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

I have to disagree. Let's look at inside shooting%:

Lebron 78 FG% on 7 attempts
Durant 75 FG% on 4.5 attempts
Kobe 70 FG% on 5 attempts
Melo 55 FG% on 6 attempts

Melo has never shot worse at the rim than this season. Now there are a lot of things he excels at, but strictly talking about scoring near the basket, he clearly does not belong into a conversation about the most efficient inside scorers. It's not even close.

Also, why hustle points? His inside rating is already too high to begin with, now use a sig skill to further overrate his abilities? He is a solid offensive rebounder, which should be reflected in his OReb rating, but that's not related to scoring efficency, which is why I don't understand him getting the hustle skill.

I understand. BTW many do know that Melo doesnt get many super star calls especially not around the rim(didnt shoot a freethrow on sunday against OKC till the 48th minute of the game. Even though he had 9 offensive boards. while KD had 12 attempts) and to answer your question about hustle points. It is because 2k obviously doesnt want to give him heat retention or microwave beause it wil make his sig skils as kobe or durant. And melo doesnt have as much 2k royalty as those two. therefore i was throwing out ideas of which COULD suit him. To me he just deserves heat retention

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

I understand. BTW many do know that Melo doesnt get many super star calls especially not around the rim(didnt shoot a freethrow on sunday against OKC till the 48th minute of the game. Even though he had 9 offensive boards. while KD had 12 attempts) and to answer your question about hustle points. It is because 2k obviously doesnt want to give him heat retention or microwave beause it wil make his sig skils as kobe or durant. And melo doesnt have as much 2k royalty as those two. therefore i was throwing out ideas of which COULD suit him. To me he just deserves heat retention

Heat retention is something I agree with. At least if we take 2k general sig skill distribution logic into consideration.

About shooting fouls i'm quite not so sure. I don't even think Durant gets too much preferential treatment around the rim. It's more some of these jumpshot fouls I don't like. You know, the good old DWade trick of faking a shot only to bump into the defender without any intention of creating a good look.

But even if Melo gets not enough respect from the refs (which I'm not sure about since he gets to the line just as much as Lebron/Kobe), I'd still argue that he's not in the same tier talking about inside scoring as other top wing scorers.

[Blackhail92]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Heat retention is something I agree with. At least if we take 2k general sig skill distribution logic into consideration.

About shooting fouls i'm quite not so sure. I don't even think Durant gets too much preferential treatment around the rim. It's more some of these jumpshot fouls I don't like. You know, the good old DWade trick of faking a shot only to bump into the defender without any intention of creating a good look.

But even if Melo gets not enough respect from the refs (which I'm not sure about since he gets to the line just as much as Lebron/Kobe), I'd still argue that he's not in the same tier talking about inside scoring as other top wing scorers.

exactly my point. KD gets his up and under calls. Yet Melo has been playing PF most of the year and has the same amount of freethrows as his career? this could be because his usage more of the three. But from watching melo he gets WACKED down low but he doesnt tend to flop, he actually seems to embrace the contact. He semi gets the old shaq treatment as in there are so many fouls they cant call all of them. PLus not flopping really doesnt help him. He also usually gets his own rebound off of his own miss. Which can make one possesion go from him shooting 7-14 to 7-17. all from maybe two no calls and a couple put backs. But your point is still valid about finishing around the rim. But if yu watch melo play you know he is one of the best finishers

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

exactly my point. KD gets his up and under calls. Yet Melo has been playing PF most of the year and has the same amount of freethrows as his career? this could be because his usage more of the three. But from watching melo he gets WACKED down low but he doesnt tend to flop, he actually seems to embrace the contact. He semi gets the old shaq treatment as in there are so many fouls they cant call all of them. PLus not flopping really doesnt help him. He also usually gets his own rebound off of his own miss. Which can make one possesion go from him shooting 7-14 to 7-17. all from maybe two no calls and a couple put backs. But your point is still valid about finishing around the rim. But if yu watch melo play you know he is one of the best finishers

Melo is not a bad finisher at all, but looking at his physical tools, there's simply no way he should be shooting around 55 FG% inside, even with physical defense and a lack of fouls being called.

Maybe he should pull a Lebron and simply start to plow away anything between him and the basket. It's more a mentality thing from my perspective. He's all about finesse on the perimeter, but driving to the basket, I'd like to see him be a lot more relentless.

But you bring up a valid point about Melo playing PF a lot more. He's matched up against physically stronger defenders that way, which is probably a reason for his subpar inside FG%.
Now it might be more efficient to cut down inside attempts looking at his individual efficiency only, but the whole Knicks offense is based on Melo taking lots and lots of (sometimes unnecessary) shots to open up the floor for spot up shooters. So it's probably worth it looking at the team as a whole.

[Bretsky523]

You do realize that's exactly the point of the current seeding system, right? The 7th and 8th seed are playing the 1st and 2nd because they're supposed to lose for the sake of good TV ratings by matching up the top seed in later rounds.

Rudy Gay? Really?
Now you might not know this, but there's a difference between NBA2k and real life...in a video game, Gay is a spectacular superhero-like player.
In the real world, he's giving you about 18 ppg shooting 40% from the field and 30% from 3. That's a joke for a guy taking 16 shots per game.

If you had actually watched a few Grizzlies games and looked up his numbers you'd realize that it was a great decision to trade him. He's insanely inefficient for a guy taking that many shots. Not a great passer, either.
Now Prince is a slightly worse rebounder, but he's simply more solid all around. Better passer, less turnovers, slightly more efficient offensively and doesn't shoot his team out of games with his lack of offensive IQ.

So to me, both players are on teams they belong on. Prince is contributing to a playoff team, while Gay chucks away in Canada.

The Memphis front office did the right thing, loading off a player that won't help them at all in the playoffs for a valuable role player and cap space.

Do you even read other posts? I've said the Nuggets only made it past the 2nd round once in 25 years (the exception being 08/09), you basically repeat that and disagree?

You're trolling, right?

Dude I understand your'e trying to make a point but don't be rasict. Don't talk about Canada like its a pile of trash.

[JazzMan]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Dude I understand your'e trying to make a point but don't be rasict. Don't talk about Canada like its a pile of trash.

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C'mon man... lol

[tblack228]

Dude I understand your'e trying to make a point but don't be rasict. Don't talk about Canada like its a pile of trash.

I don't think he meant anything racist about Canada. He likely meant that in a sense that the Raptors are a lottery team so Rudy's inefficiency is a little more justified than it would be on a playoff contender.

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[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-2-13)

Dude I understand your'e trying to make a point but don't be rasict. Don't talk about Canada like its a pile of trash.

Lol, didn't want to hate on Canada at all. You have to feel sorry for Raptors fans that they're stuck with this guy for a few more years...

[Bretsky523]

Lol, didn't want to hate on Canada at all. You have to feel sorry for Raptors fans that they're stuck with this guy for a few more years...

Ehh personally I think it was a good move for them, at least it got them some intrest in the team