3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

[TalenT]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. If anything is the problem, it's that the AI sags too often on 3-pt shooters, even in on-ball defense, and the 3pt ratings are too high in general.

This game does not need more player ratings. As it is, there are several mechanisms that influence 3PT success: 3PT Rating, Shot Timing, Distance, Spacing, Hot Spots, Consistency, Hot Streaks/Cold Hand, and a number of Sig Skills like Deadeye, Microwave, Spot Up Shooter, Shot Creator, Anti-Freeze, Closer to name what comes to mind.

Saying this game needs to add more ratings is just stupid.

You can't even see the ratings when you're playing. Why do people care so much about what's going on behind the scenes. I like the OP's idea. If it means more ratings to get the players to play more like they do IRL then so be it. The way it is now is a joke. Guys with great 3 point ratings are Gods in this game and overvalued really.

[Rotatingkitchen]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

Is there something currently in place in 2k13 that affects the likeliness of a shot going in depending on how many times you've attempted it?

Eg, i think Lebron deserves a 80+ 3PT for 2k14 but i only think you should be able to attempt about 4 or 5 in a 12min quarter game with this rating. if you keep jacking up 3s with him, the rating should drop the more times you shoot.

[hear me now]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

You can't even see the ratings when you're playing. Why do people care so much about what's going on behind the scenes. I like the OP's idea. If it means more ratings to get the players to play more like they do IRL then so be it. The way it is now is a joke. Guys with great 3 point ratings are Gods in this game and overvalued really.

That's why he wrote "and the 3pt ratings are too high in general".

[TalenT]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

That's why he wrote "and the 3pt ratings are too high in general".

Yes sir...I read that. I was referring to his unwillingness to accept more attributes. I agree with THAT part. Will that fix the problem is the important question. More attributes would differentiate players and their ability to make threes. Steve Novak can knock down treys like nobodys business...but he should not however be taking fade-aways and draining them. Jamal Crawford has a knack for hitting crazy threes though. This is why I agree with the OP.

[hear me now]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

Yes sir...I read that. I was referring to his unwillingness to accept more attributes. I agree with THAT part. Will that fix the problem is the important question. More attributes would differentiate players and their ability to make threes. Steve Novak can knock down treys like nobodys business...but he should not however be taking fade-aways and draining them. Jamal Crawford has a knack for hitting crazy threes though. This is why I agree with the OP.

That's where "shoot off dribble" and "shoot in traffic" ratings come in and the shot creator skill too.Yes lowering three point ratings would help.

[TalenT]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

That's where "shoot off dribble" and "shoot in traffic" ratings come in and the shot creator skill too.Yes lowering three point ratings would help.

So why do they still go in? And is there a shoot off the dribble from 3 point range rating? It would help to an extent. Guys would still excel in areas and situations they shouldn't.

[hear me now]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

btw I think you're exaggerating when writing that Novak (or any other shooters) can only shoot when he's wide open irl. He just needs enough space to get the shot off with good form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9qMbr0-8c

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

So why do they still go in? And is there a shoot off the dribble from 3 point range rating? It would help to an extent. Guys would still excel in areas and situations they shouldn't.

Already in the game, shoot a 3pter off the dribble now will trigger the 3pt rating + shoot off dribble rating = shot rating.

Why do they still go in? What mode? Quick ranked? If so, its because the shot windows are too large which means the majority of shots are perfect release. Combo that with inflated ratings + sig skills such as spot up, corner, dimer, floor general, etc... which just boosts them even more and you can see why some players (especially w/ easy releases) are so dangerous online.

If too many are falling offline, then its easily correctable with slider adjustments.

[hear me now]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

So why do they still go in? And is there a shoot off the dribble from 3 point range rating? It would help to an extent. Guys would still excel in areas and situations they shouldn't.

The shots go in because of the over rated three rating.

[Goffs]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

Until 2k insider is no longer doing the ratings for the game, having more ratings would just go to waste...

I do like the idea though....

[bo.jangles344]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

While I think that adding more ratings would only improve the game, the issue itself is that there are too many elements that prevent you from playing defense properly. The fact that my guy is constantly moving in slow motion when attempting to close out is literally the most annoying thing. It's basically an animation of a player that is giving up on defense cuz he knows the shooter is probably going to make it, but it happens EVERY time i try to contest a shot. There are some players(IE: jimmy butler, avery bradley, shawn marion, tony allen) that are known as defensive stoppers because they give 100% effort every time down. They understand they're in the game for one reason and if they can help on offense that's simply just an added bonus.

While the 3point shooting is definitely a problem, it's only a fraction of the issue. The main offender is the lack of defense on the perimeter or in the paint. Defense is literally about 30% as effective as it should be in real life. Shots go down into the paint too often, players blow by your man, and you're stuck in quicksand attempting to close out on some of the games best shooters. It's ridiculous.

[turty11]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

the only needed ratings for 3pt shooting, as i have said many times.


1. arc three

2. corner three

or change shooting ratings to go off distance not area.

3 off dribble/screen/contested/open are all effected already by shoot in traffic/shoot off dribble

[TalenT]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

Already in the game, shoot a 3pter off the dribble now will trigger the 3pt rating + shoot off dribble rating = shot rating.

Why do they still go in? What mode? Quick ranked? If so, its because the shot windows are too large which means the majority of shots are perfect release. Combo that with inflated ratings + sig skills such as spot up, corner, dimer, floor general, etc... which just boosts them even more and you can see why some players (especially w/ easy releases) are so dangerous online.

If too many are falling offline, then its easily correctable with slider adjustments.

You guys have obviously not played the most gifted cheesers this game has to offer. The situation I'm talking about is a well defended shot that 9 times out of 10 should be missed but goes in in this game. If those signature skills negate perfect defense then shame on them for adding them without weaknesses.

The shots go in because of the over rated three rating.

But the rating shouldn't be trumped by the defense. I don't care how good your "rating" is a situation where you're pretty much blanketed should not result in a made basket as much as it does. That's why I think the OPs ideas are solid.

Anyway...I think we should just agree to disagree. We're not making any ground with each other. Lol

[BallIsLife2]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

I don't think splitting the 3PT rating into four different ratings is the answer.

I'd say that all 2K has to do is correct their in-game formula for how successful a three-point attempt is.

With the way it works in this game the formula seems to be extremely flawed. Instead of using the ratings to determine the success of a trey-ball they should use some complicated formula like ((3pt rating/1.2) + 3) or something.

[iBEgoinHAM]

Re: 3pt Shooting should have 4 different ratings

btw I think you're exaggerating when writing that Novak (or any other shooters) can only shoot when he's wide open irl. He just needs enough space to get the shot off with good form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9qMbr0-8c

enough space to shoot for good shooters is basically wide open. that video showed that novak makes buckets with defenders closing out = basically wide open

im not mad when this happens in 2k , bad D/ sagging off/ good screen ... Im mad when i have someone closely guarding him and somehow an inch of space is available to rise up and my hands go up in his grill but the ball still goes in the basket.

In the video the shots that went in were wide open , off screens, or a pump fake dribble pull up thats how you suppose to use Novak not pulling up in someones grill like Paul Pierce . Those shots should be bricked. Show me 1 highlight where he was being guarded and took a 3 in front of a defender.

The Contested rating should kick in after you have been getting guarded for no more than 1 second. That would separate the scrubs from the stars way better.