Thoughts on NBA 2K14 Pick and Roll Improvements (Da_Czar)

[rjohns23]

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Great insight! but I wonder how much does a player tendency plays into the freelance pick and roll.

[Rdub33]

Thanks for the breakdown dczar! Spaing is everything in pick n roll. There were a lot of plays in 2k 13 that presented good spacing options against man to man. Freelance spacing I would think is harder to code because the movement is so random. Even the video u showed for 2k14 wasn't intelligent movement. Mello would have no reason to cut baseline there. By staying in the corner he orchestrated the defender to choose help or hug. By moving the defender can do both! That's why horn plays are so effective because the shooters stay put in the corners as the ball handler works the pnr. To be honest I hope freelance ball is still broken, that way the play callers will have the advantage.

[wxn8822]

Czar, the best sim basketball consultant. Someone should hire him.

PS: I think in 2k13, if you call an iso play, the clogging paint and no spacing issue might not be as bad.

[alabamarob]

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Czar is the Andre 3000 of video game breakdowns. You rarely see him put out material, but it is always on point when he does. Good vid czar.

[TeeDogg]

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At this point I think the development team should pay less and less attention to the message boards and YouTube sim gurus and just listen to DaCzar. Between "them and him" we would be in good hands.

[Taer]

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The only videos I released for 2k13 were half court set offensive plays including the horns series... http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...HA2p_Lh2XjL6lY

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Thanks for the breakdown. I really appreciated the real NBA footage setting up how a pick play "should" look so that it was easier to translate that into 2k play-making.

Perhaps this year you can release a 2k14 half court set offensive play video series as well. Then you can compare and contrast 2k14 with the old 2k13 set.

It might even help people see how a "better" developed play with coordinated movement is superior to what existed before.

[juicey79]

Czar is the Andre 3000 of video game breakdowns. You rarely see him put out material, but it is always on point when he does. Good vid czar.

That is a perfect comparison...great job czar...I'm curious have you seen Nything NBA Live?
I'm surprised that EA hasn't reached out to the community Kings to present a glimpse and get some feed back.

[juicey79]

These are freelance pick and roll plays. If you find any videos of me saying 2k13 freelance spacing in pick and roll was PERFECT you might have a point.

The only videos I released for 2k13 were half court set offensive plays including the horns series... http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...HA2p_Lh2XjL6lY

If you have listened to my radio show I have complained about 2k13's spacing all year long.

That said isn't it common sense that more flaws will be apparent in a game almost a year after it has been released rather than a month before the new game is released ?

And yes if the spacing in 15 is improved even more than it is now I may make another video illustrating how it has improved, and after 9 months of playing 2k14 I am sure I will be able to find more flaws than I was able to see today.

Czar what rosters were you using in your video? Looks like you had past teams.

Thanks for your analysis and education.

[Da_Czar]

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Czar what rosters were you using in your video? Looks like you had past teams.

Thanks for your analysis and education.

Sellaz 87 roster and Rays 80's volume 3 I believe were in that video. I probably have the names a little off but they are all in OS Roster forum.

[Da_Czar]

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That is a perfect comparison...great job czar...I'm curious have you seen Nything NBA Live?
I'm surprised that EA hasn't reached out to the community Kings to present a glimpse and get some feed back.

Officially no. Juicy. Off the books I have been asked my opinion on a few things but no eyes on so far.

[bigeastbumrush]

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All I can say is...Czar I hope they're cutting you that check bruh.

My goodness. Phenomenal breakdown.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Great video! This has bugged me for years on both sides of the ball. Making the extra pass because of proper spacing and rotations should equal to some good scoring opportunities now. Then we hope that pass speed being sped up and close out speed being slowed down and not overpowered we could see some very realistic basketball action after the PNR and a pass has been made from within that play.

Good stuff czar!

[vannwolfhawk]

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On a side coaching note: in a spread PNR situation like this I always have the weak side corner defender in strong help side defense taking away the PNR. I never understood having top defender helping leaving the wide open 3. If you can contain the ball handler from getting into the paint or to the baseline that skip pass from 1 side of the court to the opposite corner is nearly impossible to make. And if it is made plenty of time for a good close out. But that's just my defensive philosophy...

[ffaacc03]

Re: Thoughts on NBA 2K14 Pick and Roll Improvements (Da_Czar)

Great video! This has bugged me for years on both sides of the ball. Making the extra pass because of proper spacing and rotations should equal to some good scoring opportunities now. Then we hope that pass speed being sped up and close out speed being slowed down and not overpowered we could see some very realistic basketball action after the PNR and a pass has been made from within that play.

Good stuff czar!

Agreed, hope specialy for the bolded red. Any general & team to team customization of all these, would be icing on the cake.

Now, eager to see improvements on playcalling and plays execution, for both, HUM & CPU.


Da-Czar, you should just be given the green light to showcase most of the additions and improvements ... maybe then you can teamup with Mo for something and bring us heaven on earth

This is how you hype a game !

P.S:
With what appears to be an overall improved defense (P/R, on ball and rotation), lets try and get the newer defensive schemes in for 2k15
Sorry, had to, hehehe.


Edit:
Ah, vannwolfhawk, you beat me to it, as I said above, we need more distinct defenses, maybe for 15 we can get something alike the one you described and be able to assign it on a team per team case.
Anyways, am hyped.

[Guapo516]

Czar kept it real with this it wasn't just pro 2k. No disrespect but I'm really surprised by how much Dude really knows the game and I tip my cap 2 dude. What I will say tho is as much as we want this to be perfect it can't be and shouldn't be. The real life game of ball isn't perfect. For example the amare post up is something amare may have done last year from time to time with his new found post game, so if that's something that happened from time to time I could accept that because we want it authentic to these players likeness so much. It's probably not something 2k is putting in there purposely but if I saw amare or melo posting inappropriately I could accept it cause its what I see in real life from time to time.