Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

[Hassan Darkside]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

Datel Transfer Kit, I don't know if they have them in stores anymore. I bought mine from Gamestop in 06 and haven't seen another one since. You'll also need a memory card, 64 mb.

[dkrause1971]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

i haven't checked these out yet since I already started an association post patch but what are your impressions using Tomba's dribble / speed edits? pros and cons? not sure if i'd like having every player have the same quickness rating since some guys are obviously a lot quicker than others...

also, when simming using his coach profiles and not using them what have you noticed about team records? i know he said with his, they were hit or miss. can't wait to see this spreadsheet too.

I have to admit this is what is keeping from using that roster too. I just cannot imagine that making speed, quickness, or whatever position specific is the best way to go. I would want players to have strengths and weaknesses in those areas. If any is using them- i would also be interested in your pros and cons.

[BroMontana82]

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I simmed some associations with players role OFF and ALLOW CPU TRADES ON with "pure" Nogster's roster and Trajan's roster.
The results are almost the same:good teams like Cavs,Celtics,Lakers etc... have always good records,the same for Portland and Houston that in asso. use their injured stars(Oden,Yao..).
Sometimes the Warriors are on fire(rarely) or Hornets and Mavs have some diffcults and negative records...so the main difference is that with Vyaras game tempo/fastbreaks you have more points per game for each team.
And more PGs with at least 10 assists per game.

nice i'll check these out with the spreadsheet comes out. any comments on player speeds / quickness? personally, i find it hard to legitimize everyone from centers to pg's having the same quickness rating. but if there are some legit. reasons for this, then i'm all ears.


Edit: dkrause's post made me realize that I should probably let everyone know I have maintained nogsters latest New Years roster on my own for anyone wanting to use it. basically, i have been following transactions and i went through every single CAP and players that were off and edited them a bit to be in line with what nogster would have done. i think mine is a little more complete in terms of looking at the scrub players too. and the CAPs were really off. the only thing i don't have are some of the newer players like Sundiata Gaines but these can be added. the player positions are changed either based on nogsters rotation rationale. let me know if anyone wants it. trajan, i wish i had sent this to you before you did your thing too.

[JohnDoe8865]

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nice i'll check these out with the spreadsheet comes out. any comments on player speeds / quickness? personally, i find it hard to legitimize everyone from centers to pg's having the same quickness rating. but if there are some legit. reasons for this, then i'm all ears.


Edit: dkrause's post made me realize that I should probably let everyone know I have maintained nogsters latest New Years roster on my own for anyone wanting to use it. basically, i have been following transactions and i went through every single CAP and players that were off and edited them a bit to be in line with what nogster would have done. i think mine is a little more complete in terms of looking at the scrub players too. and the CAPs were really off. the only thing i don't have are some of the newer players like Sundiata Gaines but these can be added. the player positions are changed either based on nogsters rotation rationale. let me know if anyone wants it. trajan, i wish i had sent this to you before you did your thing too.

I'd definitely be interested in these if you wanna put them up on 2KShare. It's great having so many options this year.

[apollooff320]

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are you sure you copy the other guys roster because I'm seeing some ppl with off numbers. For example check out Anthony Parkers attributes they are off. Your edits have D.West just as good as him at 3's, and that he's a better outside shooter which is laughable.

Also if I delete cache wouldn't that revert me back to stock NBA 2K10. You know before the 1st patch? I don't want that since the 1st patch fixed the ******** teammates going for the double team with out me asking them to.

[BroMontana82]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

I'd definitely be interested in these if you wanna put them up on 2KShare. It's great having so many options this year.

i'll throw them up there later on and let everyone know. i also want to try out using the nogster roster and applying vayaras' coaching profiles that are in trajan's rashidi+nogster tendency set to see what happens

[gottibino]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

Datel Transfer Kit, I don't know if they have them in stores anymore. I bought mine from Gamestop in 06 and haven't seen another one since. You'll also need a memory card, 64 mb.

Thanks

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

Thanks Trajan!
I was sure that I was doing something useful.
Also I have made others little changes to improve rotations and simmed stats:
Phila:
Speights PF/c (not C/pf)
Young SF/pf (not PF/sf)

Speights never plays with Dalembert, he's the backup center.
Young has played mostly PF his whole career now, he's splitting time with Brand and Rodney Carney gets the majority of the backup SF minutes now. Iverson pushing Iguodala to SF ate up most of the minutes there.

PG: Holliday/Williams
SG: Iverson/Green
SF: Iguodala/Carney
PF: Brand/Young
C: Dalembert/Speights

That's the rotation.

Cavs:
LBJ SF/sg
West PG/sg (becames worst than Parker)

Wut? LeBron hasn't played SG even part-time since his soph year. The dude is the size of Craig Smith and has played significantly more PF over the last 3 years than SG.

Knicks:
Robinson SG/pg (not PG/sg)
Chandles SF/sg (not SG/sf)
Bender SF and better shots tendencies

As someone who actually watches the Knicks, Chandler has been starting at SG all season, and drew the bulk of the starts there last season as well. He is not a SF going forward if the team has Gallinari. Further, Nate is the backup PG and has played over Duhon rather than at SG with him more often than not.

Nets:
Simmons SF (not PF/sf)

Again, most of Simmons' minutes have come at PF this season. Post knee surgery he doesn't have the quickness to keep up with SFs.

Pacers:
Granger SF

The Pacers play a ton of small ball. Take away his second position and you won't see Watson/Rush/Dunleavy/Granger lineups.

Trail Blazers
Outlaw SF/pf (not PF/sf)

Again, that's where he has mostly played the last two seasons. There's a reason why Webster became the starter after Batum got hurt.

Warriors
Ellis SG/pg (not SG/sf)
Maggette SF/pf (Azubuike will be the 6th man,sorry Kelenna...)

Ellis has played more SF this season than PG. They have Watson and Curry logging all the PG minutes. Azubuike started over Maggette until he got hurt. Don Nelson said prior to the season (i.e. prior to all the injuries) that he'd use Maggette primarily as a PF... which is exactly what he did last season.

Wizards
Butler SF/sg (not Sf/pf)
Foye SG/pg (not PG/sg

Foye is starting at PG in Washington. Butler hasn't played a lick of SG because the team has Miller, Stevenson, Young, Foye, not to mention when Arenas would play there next to Boykins.

[BroMontana82]

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rashidi, when you do your rosters, do you take into consideration rotations getting messed up based on the different positions assigned to players? or do you strictly do everything (ratings, positions) based on what's going on in the league? i think this might be a reason why a lot of other roster guys have different positions assigned like this - to get the most realistic numbers and sim stats based on 2k's messed up rotations.

[nogster]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

rashidi, when you do your rosters, do you take into consideration rotations getting messed up based on the different positions assigned to players? or do you strictly do everything (ratings, positions) based on what's going on in the league? i think this might be a reason why a lot of other roster guys have different positions assigned like this - to get the most realistic numbers and sim stats based on 2k's messed up rotations.

clearly he doesnt.
as long as 2k has an overall rating, to get rotations on point. you MUST have the starter at a higher ovr than other players in that position.[ in some cases [ginobli] you cant as he is significantly better than his starting counterparts.]
thats the logic 2k uses and thats the logic you must adopt if you want starting rotations to be on point.

also.

about tomba's edits to this roster.
you guys that play association with trades on or actively trade yourself will probably get an issue with trading logic. because these edits have influenced the ovr rating of many players, and trade logic in 2k is heavily based on ovr rating value and potential. tombas edits have boosted bigs values and lowered everyone elses, again, you may find the trading logic messed up.

another thing.
i dont get it. rashidi takes the time to post his ratings for all to see, then doesnt want people to use them on their roster?
i dont understand? isnt the whole point of going public with ratings to share them?

[Neon1]

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rashidi, when you do your rosters, do you take into consideration rotations getting messed up based on the different positions assigned to players? or do you strictly do everything (ratings, positions) based on what's going on in the league? i think this might be a reason why a lot of other roster guys have different positions assigned like this - to get the most realistic numbers and sim stats based on 2k's messed up rotations.

Actually, the way he is assigning positions IS KEEPING the rotations from getting messed up. While he is clearly a bit of an ***, he is absolutely correct on this issue. You cant set your posistions based of what NBA.com or whoever has them "listed" as, you need to base them off of what positions they actually get minutes at during a real NBA game with thier respective clubs.

i DO/DID my positions the same way, its the only way to keep things realistic (including stats and mins).

[BroMontana82]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

Actually, the way he is assigning positions IS KEEPING the rotations from getting messed up. While he is clearly a bit of an ***, he is absolutely correct on this issue. You cant set your posistions based of what NBA.com or whoever has them "listed" as, you need to base them off of what positions they actually get minutes at during a real NBA game with thier respective clubs.

i DO/DID my positions the same way, its the only way to keep things realistic (including stats and mins).

but does this get messed up based on the overall ratings like nogster said above?

[Neon1]

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but does this get messed up based on the overall ratings like nogster said above?

Well of course if a players PRIMARY position changes his OVERALL rating normally changes +/-, but it doesnt affect anything on court, or even sim stats for that matter as long as they are still getting the correct minutes.

Players like Outlaw and Jason Terry DEFINATELY need to be given thier REAL position that they play for the Blazers (which is PF/SF) and PG/SG (for Terry) Or they will start which they shouldnt be doing.

Where it makes most difference would be in trade value. But in the case of Outlaw and Terry thier trade value would be portrayed more accurate with the lower "overall value".

Edit: Terry doesnt play much PG for the Mavs but in order to get subs and starters correct he needs to be PG/SG. He will sub at SG unless Kidd gets into very early foul trouble. Barea will get the PG mins (PG), Kidd (PG/SG), Howard (SG/SF). Set like this with correct mins distrubution will give you Dallas real rotation and Substitution pattern in the back court.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Nogster's Roster 2.0 for 360 *RELEASED*

i dont understand? isnt the whole point of going public with ratings to share them?

I allowed someone to use them.

Did I hear a thank you? No. Just bitching about what a terror I am.

As I said before, the lot of you can go **** yourselves.

[mkharsh33]

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Uncalled for, Rashidi... You just don't get it, do you?