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  • stizz
    MVP
    • Sep 2006
    • 1718

    #331
    Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

    Originally posted by tgballin
    ok im compiling the speed and quicks now, almost done with my list.

    before i begin applying this, will i be able to upload with xbox silver?

    i've never uploaded anything. actually being able to dL a patch is new to me. lol (this year)
    Yea you can.

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    • Neon1
      MVP
      • Nov 2004
      • 1532

      #332
      Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

      Originally posted by RayAP19
      I think it should be Quickness and Defensive Awareness instead of Quickness and Speed. Speed is more sprinting up and down the court and generally has nothing to do with on-ball, half-court defense
      Well Speed and Quickness has to do with your feet and footwork. On Ball D has a ton to do with that.

      Awareness is more the mental side of it. Being in the right place etc.

      On Ball has more to do with the physical side of defending, how quickly you move your feet to stay in front, even how quick you hands are on reaching and disrupting (on ball steals etc).

      Its basically the difference between a great one on one defender and a great team defender.

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      • RayAP19
        Banned
        • Oct 2006
        • 2668

        #333
        Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

        Originally posted by Neon1
        Well Speed and Quickness has to do with your feet and footwork. On Ball D has a ton to do with that.

        Awareness is more the mental side of it. Being in the right place etc.

        On Ball has more to do with the physical side of defending, how quickly you move your feet to stay in front, even how quick you hands are on reaching and disrupting (on ball steals etc).

        Its basically the difference between a great one on one defender and a great team defender.
        But once again, that has nothing to do with speed. Monta Ellis is absolutely one of the fastest players in the league, and he's extremely quick as well, but his defense is pbbbthhh.

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        • Neon1
          MVP
          • Nov 2004
          • 1532

          #334
          Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

          Originally posted by RayAP19
          But once again, that has nothing to do with speed. Monta Ellis is absolutely one of the fastest players in the league, and he's extremely quick as well, but his defense is pbbbthhh.

          Well thats just because he's lazy. Thats totally seperate and that would be an example of an exception to the rule player. There is nothing stopping Monta Ellis from being a great individual defender except his lack of will or/and his zero interest in doing so.

          There is no edit for will power, intagibiles etc, im just using a base scale and then making adjustments wherever the rating created doesnt come close to fitting that players makeup. Players like him get double -20 instead of -10 taken off the average.

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          • RayAP19
            Banned
            • Oct 2006
            • 2668

            #335
            Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

            Originally posted by Neon1
            Well thats just because he's lazy. Thats totally seperate and that would be an example of an exception to the rule player. There is nothing stopping Monta Ellis from being a great individual defender except his lack of will or/and his zero interest in doing so.

            There is no edit for will power, intagibiles etc, im just using a base scale and then making adjustments wherever the rating created doesnt come close to fitting that players makeup. Players like him get double -20 instead of -10 taken off the average.
            That's not true. Some guys don't defend well simply because they're not good at anticipating the ballhandler's movements, knowing where to force a driver, etc.

            And generally (as in I can't think of any exceptions), intelligent defensive players are also good on-ball defenders, and if they're not, they're big men, so their Quickness rating will bring it down to where it should be.

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            • Neon1
              MVP
              • Nov 2004
              • 1532

              #336
              Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

              Originally posted by RayAP19
              That's not true. Some guys don't defend well simply because they're not good at anticipating the ballhandler's movements, knowing where to force a driver, etc.

              And generally (as in I can't think of any exceptions), intelligent defensive players are also good on-ball defenders, and if they're not, they're big men, so their Quickness rating will bring it down to where it should be.
              Well as it stands Ellis calculates a 71 on ball, thats low (For a PG).
              He also calculated a lower end Def Awareness (I believe a 71 or 72). So either way its not like he's going to be some great defender out there, hes going to be very bad.
              Last edited by Neon1; 02-20-2010, 02:05 AM.

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              • RayAP19
                Banned
                • Oct 2006
                • 2668

                #337
                Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                Originally posted by Neon1
                Well as it stands Ellis calculates a 71 on ball, thats low (For a PG).
                He also calculated a lower end Def Awareness (I believe a 71 or 72). So either way its not like he's going to be some great defender out there, hes going to be very bad.
                Only because I assume you gave him double the point subtraction like you had mentioned. Using your formula, he should be an 81.

                But what's he at with my formula? Probably around a 70 or so I'd bet.

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                • tarantism
                  Pro
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 979

                  #338
                  Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                  Monta Ellis is NOT a bad on ball defender...and that is coming from a very realistic Warriors fan. He is not great, and he doesn't deserve a high on ball d rating, but he shouldn't be bad either.
                  GO FALCONS!

                  Originally posted by Tweeg
                  In all of the pre release CCM news people like Looman kept saying, "You might see a guy like Kurt Warner come out of retirement. Anything can happen."

                  He should have said "You will see Kurt Warner come out of retirement. That's about it."

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                  • Neon1
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 1532

                    #339
                    Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                    Originally posted by RayAP19
                    Only because I assume you gave him double the point subtraction like you had mentioned. Using your formula, he should be an 81.

                    But what's he at with my formula? Probably around a 70 or so I'd bet.
                    What formula?

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                    • RayAP19
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 2668

                      #340
                      Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                      [(Quickness + Defensive Awareness) / 2] - 10

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                      • Neon1
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 1532

                        #341
                        Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                        Originally posted by RayAP19
                        [(Quickness + Defensive Awareness) / 2] - 10
                        (94+72)/2= 83 -10 = 73

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                        • tgballin
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 289

                          #342
                          Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                          neon,
                          wizards,warriors,thunder,twolves,blazers,rockets,p istons,nugs,kings,jazz,clips,bulls,bucks,hornets,h eat,grizz, hawks, complete except for the occasional scrub, which i have a list of as i didnt want to slow down.

                          check ur pm for gamertag.

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                          • Neon1
                            MVP
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 1532

                            #343
                            Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                            Originally posted by tgballin
                            neon,
                            wizards,warriors,thunder,twolves,blazers,rockets,p istons,nugs,kings,jazz,clips,bulls,bucks,hornets,h eat,grizz, hawks, complete except for the occasional scrub, which i have a list of as i didnt want to slow down.

                            check ur pm for gamertag.
                            Now thats "Doin Work", thanks for that. Lol what do you mean occational scrub? You mean guy that wasnt on the list?

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                            • tgballin
                              Rookie
                              • May 2008
                              • 289

                              #344
                              Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                              ill pm you the list..dont wanna clutter the thread.

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                              • tgballin
                                Rookie
                                • May 2008
                                • 289

                                #345
                                Re: Neon1 2k10 (360)

                                i re-looked over that file i sent, only LaL and nj nets should be left.
                                + allen iverson

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