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  • Brew
    Pro
    • Jul 2010
    • 593

    #61
    Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

    So are Rookie CAPS included in this roster?

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    • apollooff320
      Banned
      • Oct 2007
      • 1456

      #62
      Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

      the bigs still have freelance isolation high. Also the potential of players are not even touched. No reason for Tim Duncan to have a 99 potential. He's not going to get any better.

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      • ffaacc03
        MVP
        • Oct 2008
        • 3486

        #63
        Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

        Originally posted by apollooff320
        the bigs still have freelance isolation high. Also the potential of players are not even touched. No reason for Tim Duncan to have a 99 potential. He's not going to get any better.
        from the previous huge detailed post ...

        ...
        The file is NOT association ready at present time. Rookie contracts have not been edited yet (and I question the merit in doing so before a new CBA is reached). Hopefully things will be up and running by the time the season is ready to start. I have not touched any tendencies, playbooks, or team sliders yet. There are 400+ players to edit.
        ...

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        • Billz313
          Banned
          • May 2011
          • 102

          #64
          Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

          LMAO, your rosters are so garbage and biased its crazy, I would never use this BS. I cant for the love of God understand how every year since you been doing this you seem to lower D Wades ratings for no reason, shyt literally is biased hating in a roster format lmao.

          So you actually think Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard are better players or can somehow end up with a higher rating than the 2nd most versitile player in the league. You actually think Lebron is 7 points higher than Wade when their numbers are nearly exact every year and they have damn near the exact same skill set. Boy oh boy, you need to chill with the biasness bro, this is like the 5th straight year that I have downloaded your BS just to see how low you dropped Wade, and every year you come thru lol. There is no way that Wade is only a 90 while Bron is a 97, and dudes without half the versitility as Wade (Dwight and Rose) are rated higher.

          How are you talking about putting out a realistic roster when you intentionally place players in certain spots for your personal bias, wake up bruh.

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          • Crossover1
            MVP
            • Feb 2009
            • 1925

            #65
            Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

            Originally posted by Billz313
            LMAO, your rosters are so garbage and biased its crazy, I would never use this BS. I cant for the love of God understand how every year since you been doing this you seem to lower D Wades ratings for no reason, shyt literally is biased hating in a roster format lmao.

            So you actually think Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard are better players or can somehow end up with a higher rating than the 2nd most versitile player in the league. You actually think Lebron is 7 points higher than Wade when their numbers are nearly exact every year and they have damn near the exact same skill set. Boy oh boy, you need to chill with the biasness bro, this is like the 5th straight year that I have downloaded your BS just to see how low you dropped Wade, and every year you come thru lol. There is no way that Wade is only a 90 while Bron is a 97, and dudes without half the versitility as Wade (Dwight and Rose) are rated higher.

            How are you talking about putting out a realistic roster when you intentionally place players in certain spots for your personal bias, wake up bruh.
            Take a chill pill, bruh!
            'Only The Strong Survive'

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            • Jumpman232
              MVP
              • Apr 2010
              • 1146

              #66
              Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

              Obviously your problem is that your are looking at the overalls only, you should know that just because the overalls might look messed up, it don't mean that they don't play like their counterparts , just look at the attributes and not the overall .
              Originally posted by Billz313
              LMAO, your rosters are so garbage and biased its crazy, I would never use this BS. I cant for the love of God understand how every year since you been doing this you seem to lower D Wades ratings for no reason, shyt literally is biased hating in a roster format lmao.

              So you actually think Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard are better players or can somehow end up with a higher rating than the 2nd most versitile player in the league. You actually think Lebron is 7 points higher than Wade when their numbers are nearly exact every year and they have damn near the exact same skill set. Boy oh boy, you need to chill with the biasness bro, this is like the 5th straight year that I have downloaded your BS just to see how low you dropped Wade, and every year you come thru lol. There is no way that Wade is only a 90 while Bron is a 97, and dudes without half the versitility as Wade (Dwight and Rose) are rated higher.

              How are you talking about putting out a realistic roster when you intentionally place players in certain spots for your personal bias, wake up bruh.
              Boston Celtics
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              Memphis Grizzlies

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              • Billz313
                Banned
                • May 2011
                • 102

                #67
                Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                Originally posted by Jumpman232
                Obviously your problem is that your are looking at the overalls only, you should know that just because the overalls might look messed up, it don't mean that they don't play like their counterparts , just look at the attributes and not the overall .
                Fasho, im mos def a 2k vet and I know that the overalls dont mean everything, but lets get real, this is 6 years straight that dude has done this. There is no way possible in any way, shape, or form that D Rose can end up 4 points higher than Wade reguardless of what changes were made. There is no way possible that Bron is 7 points higher then Wade and they both have the same skill set, Wade is faster, a better ballhandler, a better post player, a better shot blocker, a better finisher, ect. How in the hell is Bron 7 points higher, thats some biased stuff bro.

                Look at the ratings in certain categories and you will see what I mean. I could see if this was a 1 time thing, but this is 6 years straight that dude has lowered Wades ratings for no reason, he does it just to show his biasedness in feeling that Wade is not as good as whoever "HE" wants to be better. If you are going to advertise your rosters as the most realistic online then all bias should be removed ya feel me.

                I dont agree with setting ratings up so the overall can show who is better, but just simply rating the players correctly would have Wade around a 94-96 and Bron around 95-97, there is no realistic way that Rose can end up with a rating close to these 2. When I did my edits, Rose ended up with a 91, Wade with a 95, and Bron with a 96. No bias was involved, if you put the skills in correctly then you end up with something similar to this.

                Im not trying to clown dude, but its odbious, I dont know what to tell you if you cant notice it lol.

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                • ffaacc03
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3486

                  #68
                  Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                  Billz, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, despite the "respectfull, founded and unbiased" way you have presented it.

                  As some of the above posters have accurately stated, there is more than what meets the eye with Overalls. Beeing such a 2k vet, you should know that overalls are calculated with an arbitrary unknown weighted formula (that cannot be directly changed without altering the ratings) per position, yet obviously flawed. If you take a player and move him through all the positions, his overall will vary ... in fact, of all positions, the SG position is the less valued.

                  So parting from the unfounded assumption that Wade and Bron are the exact same payers, therefor rated exactly the same, Wade overall would be affected just by his position and therefor, lower than that of Bron.

                  Rashidi tries to avoid incorporating heavy subjectivity, as stated in his initial argument of the big long detailed posts pasted from his blog, so he relies on several sites that track normal and advanced stats (includding video evidence) of the players oncourt performance. He rates everything accordingly (whatever the overall results) and works with the things the game accounts for, he does not alter facts and tries to account for things the game does not has a way to do so, as if he did, he would then be biasing, and biase results in unbalance.

                  He also preserves balance by respecting the scale of his edits, which is 2ks own scale ... this is by the way, my biggest gripe against 2k, as they have been neglecting their own scale with each new itineration, resulting in many overrates and underrates to a point that they are the norm ... to a point of a biased and unbalanced product, that detract from an awesome videogame and deminish the accurate virtual depiction of the NBA experience.

                  Having said that, he is human and a very, very occupied one. There are always chances of omissions and mistakes, specially when considering the variables that pertain those 400+ players ... therefor, founded backed up suggestions/claims/discussions are very welcomed in his blog/twitt comment sections, if done with some sense of objectivity and respect.

                  Hope to see you there but ultimatelly you cannot miss, if you go with whatever editing approach suits you best.
                  Last edited by ffaacc03; 10-16-2011, 02:11 AM.

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                  • SteboSSK
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 821

                    #69
                    Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                    Even though OVR is overrated the dude has a serious point. How in the hell is DRose higher than DWade in any category in basketball? Except maybe speed and quickness...

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                    • ffaacc03
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 3486

                      #70
                      Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                      Originally posted by SteboSSK
                      Even though OVR is overrated the dude has a serious point. How in the hell is DRose higher than DWade in any category in basketball? Except maybe speed and quickness...
                      Rose MVP was far and beyond the product of just him beeing the new media favorite boy ... he was more than the one dimensional player doubters may made you think ... of course, his contributions on the Offensive side (albeit often not idealy efficient) were more evident, but what most dont know is that he was one of the main pilars on which CHI rested their acclaimed best team defense.

                      Last season, Rose was not only at top of the best defensive PGs of the league, but for the most part of the season, he was within the top elite defenders of the league (despite position). Going by synergy, which categorizes and evaluate each and every defensive scenario (includding video evidence) of any given player and then ranks accordingly, Rose MVP was more than deserved from his contributions on that side of the court alone.

                      Once you portrait into his attributes what he did last season, his overall is whatever it is, based on 2ks formula.

                      Now, in regards of your comparition (Wade) lets temporary neglect how lightly you seem to view 2ks weighted overall formula per position, which does not translate into an equal numerical value for SG in respect of all others.

                      Lets us focus on the premise that Wade is better on everything but speed and quickness: Rose turnover rate rivals that of Wade, specially when you account Rose higher ussage rate. Rose was also more able to make his own shot than Wade, hence his less % of assisted shots. Despite his higher demmands for contributing more on the Offensive side of the court, Derrick also shared the ball in such a way that the 2, simply cannot be compared (62% better). He also shot a better 3pt % and a better FT% ... so, consider these and the things mentioned in the paragraphs at the begining ... and your premise holds fewer to no ground ... couple all that with the flawed 2k overall formula, and you get what you get.

                      As stated, there can be omissions and possible mistakes, but one has to truely get in depth (with stats, videos and 2k rating system and the variables it accounts for) to base a judgement on a given premise. For the sake of going by personal preferences, I prefer CP3 over Rose on real life and on 2k, even tho it does not translate into him having a better overall.

                      Anyways, feel free to suggest/claim/discuss anything and everything in his blog/twitt and again, best advice, go with what may suit you best.
                      Last edited by ffaacc03; 10-16-2011, 02:18 AM.

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                      • ZephyrSong
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 904

                        #71
                        Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                        Hey ff...

                        Any ETA on our set? You know last time I've been pushing for the Mavs to get a bump... they are the defending champions anyway! And I've seen Rashidi gave them justice, after his initial edits Mavs are now the second best team in terms of overall.

                        Boosted Chandler to +8... This is the most important edit he did for the team. Any way you could ask him what cats he edited? So I could temporarily boost Chandler while the set is not yet out.

                        BTW, I don't understand some people. They come in the thread and diss the ratings as if they are being forced to use it. If they want, why can't they just edit Wade themselves? Any knowledgeable basketball fan will know that Rose was clearly better than Wade last season.

                        Keep up the good work ff... We're lucky you're doing this port to PS3!

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                        • Billz313
                          Banned
                          • May 2011
                          • 102

                          #72
                          Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                          Originally posted by ZephyrSong
                          Hey ff...

                          Any ETA on our set? You know last time I've been pushing for the Mavs to get a bump... they are the defending champions anyway! And I've seen Rashidi gave them justice, after his initial edits Mavs are now the second best team in terms of overall.

                          Boosted Chandler to +8... This is the most important edit he did for the team. Any way you could ask him what cats he edited? So I could temporarily boost Chandler while the set is not yet out.

                          BTW, I don't understand some people. They come in the thread and diss the ratings as if they are being forced to use it. If they want, why can't they just edit Wade themselves? Any knowledgeable basketball fan will know that Rose was clearly better than Wade last season.

                          Keep up the good work ff... We're lucky you're doing this port to PS3!
                          WOW

                          Please know what you are talking about before saying something this wrong as if its true. Wade had better numbers, shot a higher percentage overall, and did more for his team, all of this while playing with Lebron James. It was not better on some other level shyt, but Wade has the better season bar none. Rose was more important to his team hence the MVP, if Bron was not on the Heat and Wade/Bron posted their exact same numbers on opposite teams, Wade and Bron are 1 and 2 im MVP voting easily. You are making no sense right now bro

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                          • ZephyrSong
                            Pro
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 904

                            #73
                            Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                            Originally posted by Billz313
                            WOW

                            Please know what you are talking about before saying something this wrong as if its true. Wade had better numbers, shot a higher percentage overall, and did more for his team, all of this while playing with Lebron James. It was not better on some other level shyt, but Wade has the better season bar none. Rose was more important to his team hence the MVP, if Bron was not on the Heat and Wade/Bron posted their exact same numbers on opposite teams, Wade and Bron are 1 and 2 im MVP voting easily. You are making no sense right now bro
                            Wow... Did more of his team? I can't see how Wade tops Rose.

                            Rose was the best player on his team.
                            Rose was one of the best defenders on his team.
                            Without Rose, Chicago had no fluid offensive rhythm.

                            Wade played alongside LeBron. Yet they weren't able to match Chicago's win totals. Chicago also had their issues but Rose kept it together and played MVP all year long. Wade wasn't even the MVP of his team, LeBron is.

                            Wade is a stat-padder by nature. It is not a knock on him, because that's his gamestyle... much like LeBron. Can't blame why you are putting too much weight on stats.

                            Not to mention Wade is overrated by 2K in terms of defense.

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                            • ZephyrSong
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 904

                              #74
                              Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                              Also, you keep on forgetting that LeBron had an insane playoffs run minus the Finals. His brilliance against the Bulls allowed the Heat to win convincingly, not Wade.

                              It's also funny you ignored everything ffaacc said.

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                              • Billz313
                                Banned
                                • May 2011
                                • 102

                                #75
                                Re: The Real 2K12 Insider: Rashidi ...

                                Originally posted by ZephyrSong
                                Wow... Did more of his team? I can't see how Wade tops Rose.

                                Rose was the best player on his team.
                                Rose was one of the best defenders on his team.
                                Without Rose, Chicago had no fluid offensive rhythm.

                                Wade played alongside LeBron. Yet they weren't able to match Chicago's win totals. Chicago also had their issues but Rose kept it together and played MVP all year long. Wade wasn't even the MVP of his team, LeBron is.

                                Wade is a stat-padder by nature. It is not a knock on him, because that's his gamestyle... much like LeBron. Can't blame why you are putting too much weight on stats.

                                Not to mention Wade is overrated by 2K in terms of defense.
                                I have no reason to point out any of the dumb ish you just said in this post, so I will not, I would rather you either watch games or look at numbers, Rose loses in both, Wade dominated all year with another dude who dominates the ball. If Wade and Bron were on opposite teams, Rose would have had no chance at a MVP.

                                And LMAO at Rose being one of the best defenders on his team, smh, at least know the sport before you comment on some shyt.

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