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  • youALREADYknow
    MVP
    • Aug 2008
    • 3635

    #91
    Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

    Originally posted by BroMontana82
    nice yeah i'm not seeing the pass out of a shot as much as last year but a lot of star PGs are complacent or too aggressive. i tested chris paul out last night for example. he doesn't take enough shots and isn't really leading the offense. rondo on the other hand was taking a ton of shots. i'm not sure if this is the shot tendencies or touches but both are important. i didn't sim anything though to look at overall stats. these are just a few things to keep in mind when testing out your scales and making changes. another thing that's hard to balance is having to make changes to the OTHER guys on the team as well to help balance stats and how players play. i remember last year having to change up some other hornets player tendencies to paul on point.
    Nice feedback. For Paul, I haven't given him the real individual tendency treatment yet. He's on the list for this week so let me know what kind of play you hope to see out of him.

    For Rondo, he's gotten a lot of tendency work or driving and dribbling but I have intentionally left shot tendencies untouched for the most part because I have a custom scale to implement across the entire league. You can check the spreadsheet later this week to see what everyone's shot tendencies will be in the next release. Some of the defaults are just awful, especially the 3PT Shot tendencies. Guys like Beaubois and Daequan Cook would come in the game and just start tossing up threes for fun like it's a game of HORSE.

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    • BroMontana82
      Support Sim
      • Nov 2004
      • 2225

      #92
      Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

      Originally posted by youALREADYknow
      Nice feedback. For Paul, I haven't given him the real individual tendency treatment yet. He's on the list for this week so let me know what kind of play you hope to see out of him.

      For Rondo, he's gotten a lot of tendency work or driving and dribbling but I have intentionally left shot tendencies untouched for the most part because I have a custom scale to implement across the entire league. You can check the spreadsheet later this week to see what everyone's shot tendencies will be in the next release. Some of the defaults are just awful, especially the 3PT Shot tendencies. Guys like Beaubois and Daequan Cook would come in the game and just start tossing up threes for fun like it's a game of HORSE.
      can't wait to see the roster after your run through. the defaults are always awful. add willie green to your lists of guys that come up and just jack up shots lol it was like he got into the game and took a ton of shots to make up for a lack of playing time.

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      • wepr3
        Pro
        • Feb 2005
        • 584

        #93
        Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

        I used this roster for the last 2 nights, and I like what I'm seeing.

        I don't know whether you edited all of the players play types yet, but I think you may have mixed up Durant and Harden. I just played a game, LAC @ OKC, and Durant was jacking up 3s left and right. After the game I checked his plays, and 3PT is priority 1 for him, whereas Harden's is Mid.

        Maybe that's correct for Harden, but IMO, 3pt for Durant should be third or fourth on the list.

        Westbrook was very aggressive early on, and would take the open lane if I gave it to him, but I thought he was much more passive in the 2nd half - maybe because Durant was on fire destroying me with the 3s? LOL

        Anyway, good stuff, I really like where you're heading.
        Last edited by wepr3; 10-18-2011, 10:58 PM. Reason: grammar
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        • ronyell
          SimWorld Sports Inc - CEO
          • Dec 2005
          • 5932

          #94
          Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

          MAJOR MERGER ANNOUNCEMENT... LOL...

          The Dynasty has signed youALREADYknow & he is bringing his talents to The Roster!!!

          all of his extensive edits will be added to the already extensive editing that we are doing for THE complete "sim experience"

          check the link for info
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          • apollooff320
            Banned
            • Oct 2007
            • 1456

            #95
            WTF.... Does that mean we have to wait weeks to get the new update. He was doing great by himself and listens to others and updated us. Disappointed...see competition and take it away.

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            • ronyell
              SimWorld Sports Inc - CEO
              • Dec 2005
              • 5932

              #96
              Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

              Originally posted by apollooff320
              WTF.... Does that mean we have to wait weeks to get the new update. He was doing great by himself and listens to others and updated us. Disappointed...see competition and take it away.
              i think he's still gonna upload all of his hard work 4 u guys soon before we start together but we are just gonna combine to make even better... he did GREAT work & communication will be big in our set... was in grind mode but the goal is 2 b done VERY soon!
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              • youALREADYknow
                MVP
                • Aug 2008
                • 3635

                #97
                Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                Originally posted by apollooff320
                WTF.... Does that mean we have to wait weeks to get the new update. He was doing great by himself and listens to others and updated us. Disappointed...see competition and take it away.
                Don't worry, you'll enjoy the end result since it will include a lot of the changes that I wouldn't have had time to make by myself.

                I'll still upload the next update (v1.1) this week and I'm still keeping this thread open to get feedback on tendencies and hotspots from the v1.0 and v1.1 rosters since those will be used as the base changes in The Dynasty rosters. There will be a LOT of player specific tendencies done this week and I'm already seeing some great changes to dribble-happy guards who used to spin themselves dizzy. Derrick Rose is an absolute man-beast after the tendency and signature move changes.

                I'm also still going to maintain a separate slider and coach profile release for CPU/CPU and Coach Mode users to go with the rosters. Check the Sliders forum for my thread if you're interested.

                Stay tuned!

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                • youALREADYknow
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 3635

                  #98
                  Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                  Originally posted by wepr3
                  I used this roster for the last 2 nights, and I like what I'm seeing.

                  I don't know whether you edited all of the players play types yet, but I think you may have mixed up Durant and Harden. I just played a game, LAC @ OKC, and Durant was jacking up 3s left and right. After the game I checked his plays, and 3PT is priority 1 for him, whereas Harden's is Mid.

                  Maybe that's correct for Harden, but IMO, 3pt for Durant should be third or fourth on the list.

                  Westbrook was very aggressive early on, and would take the open lane if I gave it to him, but I thought he was much more passive in the 2nd half - maybe because Durant was on fire destroying me with the 3s? LOL

                  Anyway, good stuff, I really like where you're heading.
                  Nice, keep the feedback rolling in!

                  I'll run a CPU/CPU with the Thunder next game and check out the impact for Durant. One of the main reasons I set 3PT for Durant was to get him running off screens early in offensive sets, but if it ends up resulting in too many 3PT shots then I'll lower the priority. In the Heat/Thunder game that I simmed a couple of days ago the Thunder offense was the best run offense that I'd seen out of all the teams so far but maybe that was because the Heat play pressure defense and stopped Durant from chucking up so many threes.

                  Will let you know tomorrow what I notice.

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                  • TheGame8544
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1656

                    #99
                    This is majorly depressing. Your roster was great man. I was just about to ask you for the latest update and was going to take time this afternoon to do all the hex edit work for you.

                    You were doing a great job on your own and also had some other quality roster editors willing to assist you.

                    Man, this is like when your favorite hard rock station starts playing Coldplay...

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                    • ronyell
                      SimWorld Sports Inc - CEO
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 5932

                      #100
                      Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                      Originally posted by TheGame8544
                      This is majorly depressing. Your roster was great man. I was just about to ask you for the latest update and was going to take time this afternoon to do all the hex edit work for you.

                      You were doing a great job on your own and also had some other quality roster editors willing to assist you.

                      Man, this is like when your favorite hard rock station starts playing Coldplay...
                      Radiohead fan here... everything will still be his work, just adding to it & the hex edits will be done in next few days... this way he doesnt have to do EVERYTHING by his self & the roster can be completed faster
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                      • TheGame8544
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1656

                        #101
                        Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                        Originally posted by ronyell


                        Radiohead fan here... everything will still be his work, just adding to it & the hex edits will be done in next few days... this way he doesnt have to do EVERYTHING by his self & the roster can be completed faster
                        Alright, I'm sold. After reading your thread, it sounds pretty legit. I rescind my "Coldplay" comment. Haha!!

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                        • BroMontana82
                          Support Sim
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 2225

                          #102
                          Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                          wow just saw the merger announcement...i guess i have to get back in. ronyell was that you who called the other night? i'm still insanely busy but will get back into this. i'll get at you tonight.

                          youalreadyknow...now you can get an idea of where i was coming from about the pg edits and all that lol.

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                          • apollooff320
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 1456

                            #103
                            Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                            OMG Kieth Bogans need his tendencies fixed. I've played the Bulls at least 10 times and he gets the ball and holds it like he is the PG and shoots fadaways.

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                            • youALREADYknow
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 3635

                              #104
                              Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                              Originally posted by apollooff320
                              OMG Kieth Bogans need his tendencies fixed. I've played the Bulls at least 10 times and he gets the ball and holds it like he is the PG and shoots fadaways.
                              This was annoying to me as well. Thanks for the feedback. Bogans has already been worked on in the next version so he'll play a lot more like himself.

                              Individual player tendencies are the top priority for the next release so keep this kind of feedback coming.

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                              • BroMontana82
                                Support Sim
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 2225

                                #105
                                Re: Sim-Style Gameplay Rosters

                                Originally posted by youALREADYknow
                                This was annoying to me as well. Thanks for the feedback. Bogans has already been worked on in the next version so he'll play a lot more like himself.

                                Individual player tendencies are the top priority for the next release so keep this kind of feedback coming.
                                would it help if i sent you a spreadsheet from last year that has all of the tendency and rating edits? these were for the association experience with ronyell. obviously there will be missing players and differences now but should give a solid base. you could take a look to come up with your own scale even. let me know if you think it will help. i should have everything from last year around.

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