MyTeam Mobile Discussion

[JaysinSeason]

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Once you make leg seasons and can consistently make the finals regular legends will quickly be phased out of your lu. For that reason wasting wild cards on them is a net negative and selling them to fund more wild cards for the Mvps/rc cards makes more sense unfortunately.

Man I had 12 wild cards stock piled and thought I was set. In a matter of 3 days I had 5 new legends to pro now I'm struggling to sell cards and luck out on wild cards.

Honestly the legend prices will just keep dropping. Once star tier hits your best bet is to quickly sell all drafted stars in anticipation for the next round of market crashes.


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[story83]

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Once star tier hits ...

Does anyone know when the star tier begins? All-star time?

[ActionJack]

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+1

It's all about supply and demand.
I fall into category of those who wants their card to sell quick. By no means I'm desperate for RPs looking at my situation (Leg season with 13 leg pros - hoarding rps and not buying cards). I just look into the latest bidding price and list the card BIN for that price. Most of the time (if not all), the price I got is the lowest BIN in the category.

So yea, card value is only going down daily. I don't expect the AH to stay this profitable for long period of time. We will come to state where quick sell that CD introduce this year will actually get used.

Of course, we could avoid this, by not selling like idiots, and actual letting the market set.. but we don't want to do this apparently.

Maybe to people who spend real money, or have already made it to legendary++ and have several legendary pros selling quick makes no sense but in general more of the player base is making it to legendary tier and are quickly not needing URs, Epics and even regular legendaries, to these players its hard to keep relisting items because they need RP quick, its nonsensical to people with stockpiles of RP in the six digits but to people who don't have that much selling quick makes a lot of sense, these people do it because legendary cards in general are useless, there is no reason to keep a card you don't need or to try and sell it for a high price when you can sell it quick and use the RP to acquire better cards (RC, Rttc, Season reward MVPs) quickly. For people with RP its a non-issue, they can spend on HS and also leisurely sell legendary pros at 200k. But for someone who thinks his LU needs that RC or MVP its hard to convince them not to sell regular legendaries quickly. Also you have to assess level of commitment not everyone wants to play 100s of games everyday to draft legendaries then pro them and then sell. RC is a quick fix good cards and all you need is RP to buy hot streaks.

I understand people want RP. I don't understand why they NEED it in less than 12 hours. There's nothing so pressing on this game, that it can't wait a day or two. There's nothing going on, where you simply cannot afford to have a card time out. Nothing.

Undercutting, and cratering the market, so you can sell a card in the first try, instead of the 2nd or 3rd doesn't make sense on any level. There's no rush, you wind up making less, and you dramatically shorten the life of AH on the whole.

Don't know why some of you are mad AH prices are going down. Isn't that what we want? Fair and reasonably priced cards in the AH?

The biggest reason why I haven't purchased any higher tiered cards from AH was because of the insanely inflated prices.

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I don't see how setting the prices at 100k for leg cards was ever reasonable. I don't think anyone would've thought those prices would hold for long.

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100k not reasonable?

It costs, what.. 55k for a pack that gives you a *chance* at a random Legendary card. How is 100k for the guaranteed Legend of your choice not reasonable?

In a game that literally GIVES out RP everyday (I just made 12k for doing nothing but just playing the game), how is it unreasonable to charge 100k for the highest level card in the game?

You're right but inflated prices only contribute to the problem, what needs to happen is price stabilisation 200k for a legendary card just doesn't work, i pro'd my conley for 120k, because legendary cards go for around 60k, inflating this price only creates demand for low price cards. Its common sense if people see two cards and some buffoon prices it at 40k and you price it at 75k no doubt they will buy the 40k, my point is overcompensating for either side gets you bad results, people need to realise the value of cards but not overvalue or undervalue them. So that is hard to do with RC cards being easily obtainable. Pray tell WHY you're selling your Anthony Davis? because you want the RC Anthony Davis its that simple. But not all people price their legendaries 200k because the card no longer carries value. same reason we saw legendary wades for 30-45k

I'm not selling my AD because I want RC AD. I'm actually going Warriors. I'm upset RC AD even exists now, because that deflates the value of the card I was going to sell.

Once you make leg seasons and can consistently make the finals regular legends will quickly be phased out of your lu. For that reason wasting wild cards on them is a net negative and selling them to fund more wild cards for the Mvps/rc cards makes more sense unfortunately.

Man I had 12 wild cards stock piled and thought I was set. In a matter of 3 days I had 5 new legends to pro now I'm struggling to sell cards and luck out on wild cards.

Honestly the legend prices will just keep dropping. Once star tier hits your best bet is to quickly sell all drafted stars in anticipation for the next round of market crashes.


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I understand all of this. My plan all along was to sell every drafted Legend, because that's just obviously what makes the most sense.

What doesn't make sense? Setting prices for your goods, based on YOUR need for them. Do you think farmers say "man... I have a TON of wheat. I really don't need all of this. Let me sell it for super cheap so I can get rid of it"?

Of course not. They sell based on the value to the consumer. The guy that DOESN'T have the wheat. I sell all of my Legends, but I don't devalue them, just because I don't need them. I sell for the MAX I think I can conceivably get, because that's how selling anything works, and selling any other way makes no sense for me, and kills the market. Rushing to cash out now, only makes it so that you get less in the present, and in the long run.

But again... it's pointless to even discuss this.

Just remember this, when you're all crying about how AH is dead.

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[joenuts83]

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10,500 points, I missed out by 200

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[story83]

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It seems to me that the people who are upset about their cards selling for less don't understand economics. If min BINs were higher, cards might sell for more, but they would sell far less often. You can't have both high sales and regular sales in a system like this one. At some point, the market will find its proper level, and if it had exorbitant prices at one time, that was the anomaly.

[vince217]

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my solution:

set a low minimum BID just like what we have now in 2k16. but set the minimum BIN to be a high figure like what we had in 2k15.

that way... buyers looking for bargains can play the bidding war market and cards will sell at current market prices (and benefit the seller). and the sellers who want a potential quick sale set at minimum BIN, and cater to the buyers that have the funds and want to bypass the bidding system.

[JaysinSeason]

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not being able to resell cards you buy from the auction house will also be a big hit. Even with the 30% tax there would be room to make a profit which would drive the low prices up.

An rc every week is the death of the ah tho.


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[ActionJack]

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It seems to me that the people who are upset about their cards selling for less don't understand economics. If min BINs were higher, cards might sell for more, but they would sell far less often. You can't have both high sales and regular sales in a system like this one. At some point, the market will find its proper level, and if it had exorbitant prices at one time, that was the anomaly.

Legendary cards were selling for 180k at first. Obviously, nobody thought that was going to last, or should.

And yes, price of sales slides along a scale opposite volume of sales. We all know this.

There needs to be a balance found. A normal market would find this balance. This one won't. It won't because the sellers have the mindset of only seeking to undercut one another, out of nonsensical desperation. That's my point.

[joenuts83]

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I called it when the app launched that in a week 60k would net u a legendary. now u can get one for 45k. it's only a matter of time until they go for min. just like SR stopped selling and UR are going for min. Epics and legs are doomed to the same fate. it's simple economics and like everyone before me said. supply and demand. there are way too many cards to allow for an infinitely inflated AH

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[Adam_19]

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Tbh every UR,EPIC and LEG I draft I just put straight on the AH for the cheapest price on the market. Why would I price mine the same as about 5 other cards when there's a significantly smaller chance that it would sell.

[Ashi5W]

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I called it when the app launched that in a week 60k would net u a legendary. now u can get one for 45k. it's only a matter of time until they go for min. just like SR stopped selling and UR are going for min. Epics and legs are doomed to the same fate. it's simple economics and like everyone before me said. supply and demand. there are way too many cards to allow for an infinitely inflated AH

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Of course the guy earlier wouldn't admit that. Its simple economics at play here perceived value of cards go down prices go down end of story. Just because you love your AD pro card and can't see it go for less than 200k doesn't mean you post it for 200k and then have people be FORCED to undercut to gain any RP at all.

Overcompensating and pricing high is as equally bad as undervaluing. All we can do is read the market and price accordingly. Undercutting will continue to happen since someone who doesn't give a sh*t about a single legendary will let it go for a quick 60k rather than relisting it thrice to get 100k and thats if you're lucky with specialisations. Think about it there are limitless cards, WHY would you play a war of attrition to get 200k when you can get actual results quicker even with 60k? and then these results can be used to net even better rewards. So for example someone could sell an epic freebie, get around 18-20k buy enough hot streaks to get a legendary then use that legendary to get a legendary freebie. Its a snowball effect remember PO cards last year? you're in legendary tier you win a PO boom you're in star tier drafting stars getting more PO more stars.

Nothing to do with people selling low. Its just supply and demand as has been stated many times.

[ActionJack]

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I think you guys talking "supply and demand" are grossly underestimating the size of the player base in this app. The amount of players that could use a Legendary player greatly outweighs the 8 pages of Legends up these days. Since the game gives out RP, many of those players have funds lying around.

Prices are NOT being set based on demand. They are being set based on sellers' desperation. That's it. Now that everyone knows you can get a Legend for 50k, it doesn't make sense to buy one for 100k. That's why prices are falling. It isn't because people suddenly became unwilling to spend 100k, of their own accord.

I was VERY willing to spend 100k for a card.. I still am on some level.. but why do that, when there are a hundred idiots on AH selling for 40k?

I'm not speaking in hypothetical here. I am a player, that has RP to spend right now. I am a player than paid 170k for a single Legend in the first week. My willingness to spend has obviously dropped, but it didn't drop a full 100k, I can assure that. The ONLY reason I wouldn't spend that much on a card now, is because I know the desperate player base will let me score stuff for cheaper. Players should stop doing this.

That's my take. If you honestly believe 50k for Legends is the market driven, Supply&Demand pricing, I think you're absolutely wrong.

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[Adam_19]

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Prices were always going to drop significantly as the supply increased. Also it's not desperation but why would you want to keep re listing cards for a price that they won't sell for? There is a little desperation during the RC for hotstreaks but prices were already dropping before.

[Ashi5W]

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I think you guys talking "supply and demand" are grossly underestimating the size of the player base in this app. The amount of players that could use a Legendary player greatly outweighs the 8 pages of Legends up these days. Since the game gives out RP, many of those players have funds lying around.

Prices are NOT being set based on demand. They are being set based on sellers' desperation. That's it. Now that everyone knows you can get a Legend for 50k, it doesn't make sense to buy one for 100k. That's why prices are falling. It isn't because people suddenly became unwilling to spend 100k, of their own accord.

I was VERY willing to spend 100k for a card.. I still am on some level.. but why do that, when there are a hundred idiots on AH selling for 40k?

I'm not speaking in hypothetical here. I am a player, that has RP to spend right now. I am a player than paid 170k for a single Legend in the first week. My willingness to spend has obviously dropped, but it didn't drop a full 100k, I can assure that. The ONLY reason I wouldn't spend that much on a card now, is because I know the desperate player base will let me score stuff for cheaper. Players should stop doing this.

That's my take. If you honestly believe 50k for Legends is the market driven, Supply&Demand pricing, I think you're absolutely wrong.

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You refuse to acknowledge that cards carry no value, it doesn't matter what you're willing to pay, for sellers if the card carries no value they WILL sell for a low price, and people buying it will not buy a low value card for any higher. its that simple by pricing cards low people are simply dumping unneeded goods for quick RP, thats what everybody does its what the game ENCOURAGES you to do with RCs, HS costing so much its whats logical, to quickly make RP to build strong lineups and win better and rarer cards RCs MVPs etc. Single legendaries just aren't valuable anymore, new players aren't entering the game but people who picked it up are now reaching epic even legendary. Not everyone reached legendary in 2 days with real money thereby earning hundreds of thousands of RP.

Google it, if supply is infinite demand decreases to the utter minimum. You wouldn't buy a PS3 for 450$ when you can buy a PS4 for that value right? unless of course the PS3 carried intrinsic value to you then by all means good luck. So unless you draft legendary kobe/lebron/curry you're going to have to settle for selling at what the market is willing to pay. Don't overvalue or undervalue just sell for what seems to be a good price to get RC thats EVERYONES logic here.

[joenuts83]

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at the end of the day it's still a game. people progress. first mvp mj was 200k 2nd was 1.2 mil. there's only 1 melo with a bid at 700k . Iverson went for what? 500k for a quad spec mvp?

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