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I don't have any particular opinion on who should win. There don't seem to be any actual criteria. In the 90s, we saw Jordan not win when he was clearly the MVP because the voters apparently got bored of giving it to him or something.
In the aughts we saw Nash somehow win MVP with multiple better candidates by pretty much any metric that makes sense.
If you want to argue that Curry should be MVP because he's the best player on the best team ... that makes sense. If you define it as the player who is most valuable, it's going to have to be someone without whom his team would have been average or even a lottery team instead of a top tier team. (This, I believe, is the primary argument for Harden?).
There's a ridiculous number of clips on youtube of Curry flopping and flailing. Reddit has discussions started by GS fans complaining about the Screen and Flop play that they run at the end of games the last couple years, with visual aids. Hell, the refs didn't give him the foul when he was clearly fouled on that 3 last week because he so frequently flails around like someone ran into him full speed when he's letting go of a 3.
He's a clear all-star. Probably a 1st team All NBA guy. He may even be the MVP. That doesn't mean he's some paragon of sportsmanship who isn't just as much a flopper as the rest of his generation. They're all out there working the refs.QG Tier: Legendary++
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The debate is between Curry and Harden, one of them flops consistently and it isn't Steph.
The Warriors without Steph would be a totally different team. Average FOR SURE.
Ridiculous to discredit him for having a team of solid players and an all star in Klay.
Sure I am biased, but 67 wins in a tough conference is no easy feat.Comment
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First MVP in 16 years who didn't average 24 PPG, 10 RBG or 10 APG, going back to Malone in the lockout season, and only the 2nd ever with numbers so low.
The only worse MVP selections are Nash's back to back ones that just still seem incredibly indefensible a decade later. Less than 20 PPG and just barely over 10 APG and he somehow won two consecutive MVP awards.
That's something to give an SMH to.QG Tier: Legendary++
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If you want to argue that Curry should be MVP because he's the best player on the best team ... that makes sense. If you define it as the player who is most valuable, it's going to have to be someone without whom his team would have been average or even a lottery team instead of a top tier team. (This, I believe, is the primary argument for Harden?).
There's a ridiculous number of clips on youtube of Curry flopping and flailing. Reddit has discussions started by GS fans complaining about the Screen and Flop play that they run at the end of games the last couple years, with visual aids. Hell, the refs didn't give him the foul when he was clearly fouled on that 3 last week because he so frequently flails around like someone ran into him full speed when he's letting go of a 3.
He's a clear all-star. Probably a 1st team All NBA guy. He may even be the MVP. That doesn't mean he's some paragon of sportsmanship who isn't just as much a flopper as the rest of his generation. They're all out there working the refs.
OK a few points here..
1) The "His team would only be a lottery team without him" is irrelevant, because if that is true, LeBron would have won 8x MVP's already. Secondly, to say Harden carries a bigger load than Steph does is foolish. To keep this short-ish, they both create a ton of offense for their teams, they just do it in different ways.
2) Steph isn't just the best player on the best team. He's the best player on a historically great team.
3) Everyone flops in the NBA, and if you want, I'm sure you could find haters of any team to post a flop video or "other bad trait of other team's best player that we can't stop" type video on youtube.. (See James Harden's bad defense video from this time last year).
4) The refs were going to give him that foul if it didn't go in (I believe Zach Lowe said that on a Bill Simmons pod earlier this week), but because it went in, no foul was called. Which by the way, happens all the time, at all levels of basketball.
5) Everyone works the refs. Every sport, every era. If you can gain some sort of competitive advantage without stepping outside the rules, you do it. Doesn't matter if you're Steph, LeBron, or Kwame Brown.
6) For the post that happened while I was typing.. Steph averaged 23.8.. So to say he didn't average 24, and that's part of your reasoning, is pretty weak imoLast edited by Rdubz12; 05-03-2015, 08:17 PM.IGN: Dubz49
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The debate is between Curry and Harden, one of them flops consistently and it isn't Steph.
The Warriors without Steph would be a totally different team. Average FOR SURE.
Ridiculous to discredit him for having a team of solid players and an all star in Klay.
Sure I am biased, but 67 wins in a tough conference is no easy feat.
So I guess you could say I'm probably rooting for the Warriors to win it all at this point. That doesn't obligate me to put on blinders and drink the Kool-aid and just pretend that Curry is some paragon of sportsmanship or something. He's a great player in a generation of players who all work the refs.
Kind of funny how irritated people get if you call the best player on the team they root for a flopper. The Rockets fans go crazy when Harden is called one. The Clippers fans go nuts when CP3 gets called out. And the Warriors fans all go crazy when Curry gets called out. {And this carries on and on through all the top players}.QG Tier: Legendary++
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I'm not immune to that either. The people who are frothing at the mouth about Olynyk annoy me. I've watched that uncoordinated mess for awhile now, and I don't think he could have done that on purpose if he wanted to. He doesn't have the coordination to have taken out Love intentionally.QG Tier: Legendary++
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First MVP in 16 years who didn't average 24 PPG, 10 RBG or 10 APG, going back to Malone in the lockout season, and only the 2nd ever with numbers so low.
The only worse MVP selections are Nash's back to back ones that just still seem incredibly indefensible a decade later. Less than 20 PPG and just barely over 10 APG and he somehow won two consecutive MVP awards.
That's something to give an SMH to.
For you to based a MVP on typical stats like Pts, Rebs and Asst tells me it's not even worth debating with you.
Also too think Curry flops more than others or even needs to is quite laughable.
Curry's stats would even be higher if they didn't rest him for about 20 games in the 4th quarter. Check out his PER stat instead that gives more indicator on his efficiency.
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Harden was definitely more Valuable to his team. He kept his team afloat for about 3-4 months as the 2 seed without Dwight and a lot more average players than what the Warriors have. Warriors would've still probably been a playoff team had Curry or Thompson been hurt for the amount of time that Dwight was hurt, but definitely not the 2 seed.
Just another case and point that the best player on the best team wins it.
IMO, LeBron should've won it. He's like MJ, people get bored of giving him the MVP when it's clear that he's that every single year.MyNBA2k16
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For you to based a MVP on typical stats like Pts, Rebs and Asst tells me it's not even worth debating with you.
Also too think Curry flops more than others or even needs to is quite laughable.
Curry's stats would even be higher if they didn't rest him for about 20 games in the 4th quarter. Check out his PER stat instead that gives more indicator on his efficiency.
The fact that you have to straw man what I'm saying (and put words in my mouth) kind of undercuts you mate. All of the players in contention for MVP are floppers, and I would have said the same thing no matter who won, because I find the whole thing where someone calls X player a flopper and a bunch of people get all riled up particularly amusing.
Congratulations on a great regular season and the best player on the team you cheer for winning the MVP award. Now let's see if they can bring home the award that will actually matter forever: The Larry O'Brien.QG Tier: Legendary++
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