Please review the AH and PO seasons

[nzjase]

CD please review the AH pricing. As it currently stands the star market is all but dead with the influx of different cards and the fact you can buy a PO card for 7.5k when a star is 5k

For example I have had a Oscar Robertson MvP card time out 5 times (fully trained) and a couple of times it was the only one on the market.

Also cards like star pros and leg pros seldom ever sell and we are now starting to see even sales for fully trained URs die down. Please look into the AH and how it operates. It has so much potential yet is performing woefully. We need more credits injected and pro cards need to have some appeal, they NEED to be cheaper than a single of the tier above, not more expensive.

For example I pulled a 3 slot star Harden. I should be excited but there is no point even training him as he won't sell on the AH. There are no certain "trash" star cards, they are ALL trash star cards (exception Lebron obviously) when it comes to selling

Last point is on playoff season. I know it has been said before but the reward structure is just horrible.

I have just come off a great season, had an epic battle in the semis and lost in game 7 93-91. My reward, a HoF card that I have close to zero chance of duping and even once duped would not improve my PO season lineup. How does that make sense? A reward that doesn't help improve the lineup that won that reward? Also the last thing you want to do is make HOF auctionable.

1. That will further kill the AH market for stars
2. That still doesn't address the fact that it will not be a noticeable upgrade to your PO season deck even when duped. I am running into 5-8 PO pros now along with some POTG pros too

Please look into the above. Changes are needed to make a good game great. As it stands I am using star and legendary cards that are drafted as training fodder, that is just wrong.

[palitongo]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

Amen........

[Exile21]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

Truthfully there is only 3 months left of this game until the new version will come out. So my guess is nothing will be done, they really don't have any incentive to change anything with such limited time left of the game...

[nzjase]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

Truthfully there is only 3 months left of this game until the new version will come out. So my guess is nothing will be done, they really don't have any incentive to change anything with such limited time left of the game...

Understandable to a point... But given the limited time remaining this should be the time when they DO try things to see what works so that the same issues don't return in the 16 version.

[nzjase]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

Given the game, with 3 months to go, is entering its sunset period why not try some new things.

I just read an interesting suggestion which was to keep min BINs in the auction house but remove min bids. What is the harm in trying this for a few days. I still think more credits need to be injected into the game to make the auction house function as it should but at least this would spark some bidding wars and provide some interest.

Worst case scenario it doesn't do what CD wants so they revert back to the old mins (hopefully better mins) but they will have tested the water before they go live with 16

[Lefxy]

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Even PO cards are becoming difficult to sell... if it's isn't 2/3 slot then you're screwed really..
I think HOF becoming auctionable seems reasonable and lowering prices for stars sounds very good too. We all have many star pro's just sitting there waiting to be sold and some of us are willing to let them go for ridiculous low prices, I know personally I am and it'll be useful for those aren't in PO tiers just quite yet.

[Ghostface Killah]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

Truthfully there is only 3 months left of this game until the new version will come out. So my guess is nothing will be done, they really don't have any incentive to change anything with such limited time left of the game...

I don't know about that bro, them dope packs for 30,000 and 45,000 credits are on sale for 203 more days. I guess EVERYBODY GOT TIME FO DAT.

On the real tho; legends' prices should be lowered to 1600 makin stars' prices go down to 3200, and playoffs should be 6400. I mean, it's not rocket science. If URs are 400, Epics are 800 then why jump to 2000, 5000 and 7500? I mean, we know why ($$$$$$$) but what's the point in killing the market?

[nzjase]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

I don't know about that bro, them dope packs for 30,000 and 45,000 credits are on sale for 203 more days. I guess EVERYBODY GOT TIME FO DAT.

On the real tho; legends' prices should be lowered to 1600 makin stars' prices go down to 3200, and playoffs should be 6400. I mean, it's not rocket science. If URs are 400, Epics are 800 then why jump to 2000, 5000 and 7500? I mean, we know why ($$$$$$$) but what's the point in killing the market?

This is the key point, the auction house minimums look like randomly chosen numbers which bear no resemblance to the tier structure. Your numbers are so obviously the numbers that should be in place it makes you wonder if they blindfolded a monkey and got him to throw darts at a magic wheel to set the current minimums.

The above doesn't ever start to touch on the unsellable nature of pros

[SilkiestSkillzz]

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This is the key point, the auction house minimums look like randomly chosen numbers which bear no resemblance to the tier structure. Your numbers are so obviously the numbers that should be in place it makes you wonder if they blindfolded a monkey and got him to throw darts at a magic wheel to set the current minimums.

The above doesn't ever start to touch on the unsellable nature of pros

Exactly and why should it be that if you decide to pro a card that it effectively means you can never sell it because no one buys?

[Yonder]

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We all have many star pro's just sitting there waiting to be sold.

I tend to agree generally that some AH prices, but more so the pack prices, are too high, but I don't agree with the above statement.

Sure, many of us have dozens of star pros and it would be great if we could get some money out of them. But is that really great? If we could sell star pros for the current prices we could just exchange one tier for a higher tier without credits. That would be stupid. And if we could sell them cheap, lower tier players would get those - formerly - great cards too easily. That would be stupid, too.

No, I think it's a good thing that star pros don't have any value anymore. They served their purpose and now they are training fodder. Nothing more. And that's a good thing.

[richie_r1ch]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

CD please review the AH pricing. As it currently stands the star market is all but dead with the influx of different cards and the fact you can buy a PO card for 7.5k when a star is 5k

For example I have had a Oscar Robertson MvP card time out 5 times (fully trained) and a couple of times it was the only one on the market.

Also cards like star pros and leg pros seldom ever sell and we are now starting to see even sales for fully trained URs die down. Please look into the AH and how it operates. It has so much potential yet is performing woefully. We need more credits injected and pro cards need to have some appeal, they NEED to be cheaper than a single of the tier above, not more expensive.

For example I pulled a 3 slot star Harden. I should be excited but there is no point even training him as he won't sell on the AH. There are no certain "trash" star cards, they are ALL trash star cards (exception Lebron obviously) when it comes to selling

Last point is on playoff season. I know it has been said before but the reward structure is just horrible.

I have just come off a great season, had an epic battle in the semis and lost in game 7 93-91. My reward, a HoF card that I have close to zero chance of duping and even once duped would not improve my PO season lineup. How does that make sense? A reward that doesn't help improve the lineup that won that reward? Also the last thing you want to do is make HOF auctionable.

1. That will further kill the AH market for stars
2. That still doesn't address the fact that it will not be a noticeable upgrade to your PO season deck even when duped. I am running into 5-8 PO pros now along with some POTG pros too

Please look into the above. Changes are needed to make a good game great. As it stands I am using star and legendary cards that are drafted as training fodder, that is just wrong.

Yea they had some great ideas with the PO update rewards with HOF and MVP's, however it came waaaay too late in the game and the fact that HOF's aren't auctionable and the HOF pack price is stupid high, made them useless rewards as well. I finally had a PO season where I was going to lose in the semi's so rather than go for the HOF card I just tanked the first round and trained away the useless MVP reward I got. Why bother pro'ing it for 5k when I can pro a PO card for 2.5k more.

Some really good ideas on this game; just executed very poorly in a lot of areas. Making profit is great, but greed really killed it. Those new pack prices are just comical for what you get and would get easily smashed by a lightly trained po pro. I get it; you get MJ, but it's not like you can play as him like you would in a video game. He can lose just as easy to the weakest HOF card since all cards are close to each other. You're basically just paying extra for a low res photo, really.

Anyway, when PO seasons started, Star season winners should have gotten MVP cards and PO losers should have gotten sellable HOF cards.

The AH will die soon with the current price structure too. Aside from like 3-5 nba players, star, legend and epic market is dead or on life support and in less than 6 weeks since it's arrival the PO market is starting to heavily decline too. Everything is way overpriced, so players are running out of credits and holding on tight to what they do have.

[EliGKStar]

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The solution is very simple, I think GameDad mentioned it in twitter - make the option to sell a card immediately 'back to CD'. the price will be much much lower than min bid (i.e. 10% - star=500, leg=200, even less than that).

This will:
1. inject credits to the system
2. take out cards from the market (main problem today - too many cards)
3. cancel all the BB nonsense
4. create an actual market for all cards
5. add another interesting decision to the game - should I eat a card as food? sell it to CD? AH it?

Downside of it is that ppl makes 'free' credits, but if the received credits will be low enough, it will be a reasonable amount, and ppl will still buy credits from the game.

[richie_r1ch]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

Downside of it is that ppl makes 'free' credits

Sadly, I think for this reason alone, they won't do it. You see how little credits you already get from seasons and ladder rewards, just selling your reward back to them for losing a star season will gain you more than they would have initially given you.

[Melcho]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

I thought u quit? Anyway, sound points.

[Dextro]

Re: Please review the AH and PO seasons

1, 2, 3 - insert CD statement "The AH is healthy and the tax is great - you should buy one 45.000 credits packs and be happy with them"


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