AH should work on a capitalistic system

[kalkal]

We all agree that the AH is practically dead. Only very specific cards sell, because they are in high demand.
One of the main features of card games must be trading between players. That creates a game within a game, which has its special challenge and fun.
I suggest removing the minimum credits required for each of the tiers, this will cause the market forces to dictate the price of cards, thus creating a very alive and interesting AH (the AH will die this way only when the game dies).
Players will advance faster this way, but additional tiers can be added to compensate.
I also believe CD will make more money, because the game will be more fun and lest frustrating - attracting additional players, and the market, which is built on credits will be more attractive.
Another alternative can be handing out more credits and in more opportunities, which should have the same effect.
I really wish you consider this, as the game is becoming really boring with the AH dead.

[EliGKStar]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

no minimums means cards will be given out for almost free, everyone will be at PO tier in a week, and the game will be boring and dead even more than today...

not saying the current state is good, but you can not apply a capitalistic economy on a non-capitalistic resource - there are so many cards out there in all tiers, so the market will never balance itself.

The solution should be a way to have a quick-sell option, with a much lower rate than AH minimums (10% or less), minimizing the supply in AH but letting you profit from the hard grinding.

[eVizions]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

no minimums means cards will be given out for almost free, everyone will be at PO tier in a week, and the game will be boring and dead even more than today...

not saying the current state is good, but you can not apply a capitalistic economy on a non-capitalistic resource - there are so many cards out there in all tiers, so the market will never balance itself.

The solution should be a way to have a quick-sell option, with a much lower rate than AH minimums (10% or less), minimizing the supply in AH but letting you profit from the hard grinding.

How would everyone be at PO tier in a week? The point of an open economy is to let the market dictate prices. People aren't going to let PO cards sell for 1000 credits... they just aren't. Organic floors will be created.

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[Yonder]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

People aren't going to let PO cards sell for 1000 credits... they just aren't.

Of course they are. That's happening right now with the 4k buybacks on PO bids.

[eVizions]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

Of course they are. That's happening right now with the 4k buybacks on PO bids.

And I bet you that wouldn't happen if the economy wasn't so poor. People are forced to get whatever they can out of it because nobody is using it.

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[jwithouttheua]

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The minimum should not be lowered per tier, but should be lowered by card. Not all cards are created equally and people shouldn't be forced to pay a minimum of 7500 for a Festus Ezeli or 5000 for bob Dandridge or 2000 for Bill Walton, that isn't how trading card games work. What I'm saying is there should be some stratification within the tiers that way people could decide if they should buy a cheaper value card of a certain tier as opposed to a more expensive card that ultimately will have the safe effect on their overall progression. And as a side note, there should be trading, after all...This is a card game. Limit it to trading within tiers obviously to mitigate abuse.

[kalkal]

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And I bet you that wouldn't happen if the economy wasn't so poor. People are forced to get whatever they can out of it because nobody is using it.

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that's exactly what I was going to say.
People give huge buybacks because they are desperate for any penny.
A free market works if there are enough cards which aren't so easy to just get, and thanks to the system today, where for example, you have no chance to receive a PO card if you're UR+, makes sure no one gets rich in one second.

[nzjase]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

How would everyone be at PO tier in a week? The point of an open economy is to let the market dictate prices. People aren't going to let PO cards sell for 1000 credits... they just aren't. Organic floors will be created.

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They will. I, for example, am giving me stars I draft away for FREE. There is next to no chance of selling them so I might as well give them to someone who can use them.

And star cards shouldn't be trash... these are the second strongest cards in the game. Not long until PO cards follow this path.

Lower AH taxes and ALIGN AH minimums and bids so they make sense. The current setup looks like a 5 year old child plucked numbers out of the air. It is ridiculous

[eVizions]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

They will. I, for example, am giving me stars I draft away for FREE. There is next to no chance of selling them so I might as well give them to someone who can use them.

And star cards shouldn't be trash... these are the second strongest cards in the game. Not long until PO cards follow this path.

Lower AH taxes and ALIGN AH minimums and bids so they make sense. The current setup looks like a 5 year old child plucked numbers out of the air. It is ridiculous

The key here is that you're giving them away *because they won't sell*. If the AH were more active, you wouldn't have to give it away. In fact, you couldn't give it away very easily.

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[nzjase]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

The key here is that you're giving them away *because they won't sell*. If the AH were more active, you wouldn't have to give it away. In fact, you couldn't give it away very easily.

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But your argument was organic floors would be created, well those floors would be near rock bottom is the point. Given people aren't taking stars for 2500 I can only imagine how low the floor would be without minimums.

Don't construe my disagreement with you as a nod toward how good the auction house is, it isn't. I think it is a bloody disaster and a child could have designed a better workong model than what we currently have (especially because they could have copied any number of models from other games) but I just think it is naive to assume, given the massive lack of credits in the game that cards would be going for anything but rock bottom.

The PROBLEM isn't as much the minimums but rather the lack of an in game mechanic injecting any meaningful credits into the game while the auction house then strips 30% back out. The current setup is moronic.

[Elite1216]

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EVizions, you would be 100% correct, but so many other things would have to be changed in this game for that to work. If AH is to be part of this game, then the entire game needs revamped. Supply is just so much greater than demand for 99.% of cards that without min and no instant sell option, the value of most cards would plummet.

[kalkal]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

But your argument was organic floors would be created, well those floors would be near rock bottom is the point. Given people aren't taking stars for 2500 I can only imagine how low the floor would be without minimums.

Don't construe my disagreement with you as a nod toward how good the auction house is, it isn't. I think it is a bloody disaster and a child could have designed a better workong model than what we currently have (especially because they could have copied any number of models from other games) but I just think it is naive to assume, given the massive lack of credits in the game that cards would be going for anything but rock bottom.

The PROBLEM isn't as much the minimums but rather the lack of an in game mechanic injecting any meaningful credits into the game while the auction house then strips 30% back out. The current setup is moronic.

I added in my argument that a larger amount of tiers would be necessary, so we won't have a case of 70% of the players on the highest tier. This will cause the players of the highest tier to try selling cards in higher prices, and will reduce the number of players who have all the cards and will sell them cheap. Limiting the number of auctions possible at any time to 5 also helps this cause, as well as setting the auction minimum time to 12 hours.
This should work, as it works in our economy. When there is always a higher level to aspire to, people will continue to try to make money.

[Kabington]

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Maybe im wrong but to me it so much obvious why the market is not "floating". Danan said it and for everybody with economic knowledge or even common sense its clear: there are way tooooooooo much cards out there. Everyone above ur has a bunch of cards he is trying to sell. Everyone in po or star gets epic and leg from the draftboard and thinks it should be possible to sell them to a lower tier player, Mission impossible for the most cards because the buyer can select the best possible card for the same price...

my advice: players can only get resets from their tier. Rest are common unconmon boosts enhancements.

Think about it...

[Elite1216]

Re: AH should work on a capitalistic system

Maybe im wrong but to me it so much obvious why the market is not "floating". Danan said it and for everybody with economic knowledge or even common sense its clear: there are way tooooooooo much cards out there. Everyone above ur has a bunch of cards he is trying to sell. Everyone in po or star gets epic and leg from the draftboard and thinks it should be possible to sell them to a lower tier player, Mission impossible for the most cards because the buyer can select the best possible card for the same price...

my advice: players can only get resets from their tier. Rest are common unconmon boosts enhancements.

Think about it...

Bingo. This is the big issue. I don't know that I agree with your fix, but no model is sustainable when that many cards are released into the market everyday. CD doesn't help this any. Take the last RC for example. In one day, not counting resets and season rewards, they released almost 25000 auctionable PO cards. There's just not enough demand for that.

What it has done though is absolutely crush the value of other PO cards. Since last RC, I have been able to dupe 3 PO cards for around the cost of one PO pro on AH.

[NobodyInLife]

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I have some thoughts about AH. Firstly they should add alternative ways of earning credits. Now we can just earn it from seasons and Daily VC. But these amounts seem to be a vanity. I think, that if you could draft some VC during QG it would be much easier to save up credits. Also you can get credits for just entering in a game each day. Like ladder rewards in gameloft games. Not giving 5000 credits as a last reward, but 250 will be enough. I think it can stimulate AH, cause the main problem is lack of credits, nobody can buy first while doing buyback.