Blog: Customization in MyNBA2K16

[brad_nicholson]

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Can you guys post a card? This is really hard to visualize.

Dunno if one of us already addressed this, but cards aren't ready to show yet. I know, bummer.

[drdotwho]

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Stats are always a focus. You may not have agreed with all the stats in '15 but they were an improvement on '14. I expect '16 to be even better.

In your specific case you call out, you cannot make that comparison. The 2015 Finals cards were designed to be better than other cards. So of course players like Ezeli were going to end up with higher stats.

I think many of us would agree that the numbers are off often times. For example, regular John Stockton (this RTTC) has a lower PM than regular Magic Johnson, yet John Stockton is leading the all-time assists category. It does frustrate many other players who want stats of a player properly correlates to the players' skills, achievements, and recognition in the history of the NBA. For example, regular PO Kendrick Perkins should not have the highest REB compare to all the available regular PO.

Regarding the drop of season boost and replace with a stat charge -- does it count as a board clear?

Finally, please check my response in PM regarding this conversation last week. Many thanks.

[MVPMaK]

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I think many of us would agree that the numbers are off often times. For example, regular John Stockton (this RTTC) has a lower PM than regular Magic Johnson, yet John Stockton is leading the all-time assists category.



Regarding the drop of season boost and replace with a stat charge -- does it count as a board clear?



Finally, please check my response in PM regarding this conversation last week. Many thanks.

Stockton's stat is worse because he is in a lower tier on the RTTC rank being on the losing team. I do agree his PM should be very high, maybe lower his REB and ATH to compensate?

The stat charge is using another player's card, see his comment from 4 hours ago, so this should not have anything to do with drafting.

Hope that helps.


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[drdotwho]

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Stockton's stat is worse because he is in a lower tier on the RTTC rank being on the losing team. I do agree his PM should be very high, maybe lower his REB and ATH to compensate?

The stat charge is using another player's card, see his comment from 4 hours ago, so this should not have anything to do with drafting.

Hope that helps.


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"Stat charging essentially replaces Coaches. This has two benefits: you no longer will pull Coaches from the Draft Board as a reset card, and you can stat charge for multiple games before going to bed, so you don't have to Boost every hour if you wanted to be Boosted for longer periods of time."

So nothing (in this regard) will help clearing boards. Still a bit confuse about "stat charge is using another player's card" though.

[NWGameDad]

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"Stat charging essentially replaces Coaches. This has two benefits: you no longer will pull Coaches from the Draft Board as a reset card, and you can stat charge for multiple games before going to bed, so you don't have to Boost every hour if you wanted to be Boosted for longer periods of time."

So nothing (in this regard) will help clearing boards. Still a bit confuse about "stat charge is using another player's card" though.

Sorry if this wasn't clear. Another way to think about Stat charging is that it is like training. You take other play card you don't want and put them into the card you're playing with and it temporarily boosts that card's stats. Thus, only player cards are ever used to Stat boost, which means on the draft board you pull player cards as resets instead of the old Coach cards. There will be Energy cards and possibly some of the other new card types (e.g. Rookie Contracts) but those will likely not be reset cards.

[MVPMaK]

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You don't control what Specializations are on player cards, those are assigned randomly. You can control which Abilties are on cards (Abilties are the extra boost that triggers based on card rarity like in '15).



As for Stat charging you charge up a card using another player card. It gets consumed in the process and the you're charging gets charged up for a certain number of games. The Specialization of the card you're using determines which stat is charged up. It is a way for player cards to be used once you have your deck trained up.

"Stat charging essentially replaces Coaches. This has two benefits: you no longer will pull Coaches from the Draft Board as a reset card, and you can stat charge for multiple games before going to bed, so you don't have to Boost every hour if you wanted to be Boosted for longer periods of time."

So nothing (in this regard) will help clearing boards. Still a bit confuse about "stat charge is using another player's card" though.

I was referring to this post, but he gave you the response already. [emoji16]


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[ActionJack]

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So, ultimately it's you guys' decision obviously, but I just want to touch on card stats.

In my opinion, 5 stats versus 4 stats was not a point of concern. I never felt overwhelmed by the choices, and I never felt like having an extra stat took away from the game. There is definitely a point at which there could be too many categories in a card, but 5 was not it. 5 seemed pretty perfect, to be honest, from an end-user perspective.

Where I think card stats suffered in this game, well, there are three things.

1. Offense was just emphasized too much. This was largely rectified in PO tier, so it seems like you guys have recognized this, and hopefully won't make that same mistake next year. Even still, even with OFF being reigned in somewhat, PM and ATH still seemed pretty weak, I believe it's because of...

2. The stat formulas you guys use. Presumably (and intelligently, imo), you guys seem to use stat templates, so to speak, assigned to positions when creating stats. There is tweaking done, to try to personalize the stats, but they tend to come from the same base (or maybe 2 base templates) for a single position. This is why some players have the EXACT same stats as others, and it's why some players' stats are just fundamentally off, if they don't play like the typical player at their position. There are efforts made to adjust for outliers (Westbrook is weighted towards ATH, Walt Frazier is weighted towards DEF, etc.), but you guys don't always catch the players that need it.

Joe Dumars, for instance is essentially an OFF only card, despite making All-Defense First Team several times. The Karl Malone Greats card features in this week's RttC has fairly lackluster OFF. Karl Malone is #2 on the All Time scoring list. Frankly, it has always seemed like you guys lack comprehensive NBA knowledge to some degree. Whereas I (as an insane junkie) react to bad stats the second I see them (like how RC Dwight had higher OFF than DEF), these things make it out of the CD office unnoticed. I understand that this game is complicated to make, and you guys aren't gonna catch everything, but this stuff IS important to us.

3. Lastly, it seems like there was a philosophy in 2k15, to make all cards fall within a small window of one another in terms of total points on a card. While this seems like a good idea on the surface, I personally hope you all reconsider this for next year.

Keeping card stats so close together necessitates that you deliver bad card stats. It's just not possible to make accurate stats, if you work from the basis that Al Jefferson HAS to be just as good as Larry Bird. He just isn't. What winds up happening is that Larry Bird (the guy we ALL care more about) sees his stats diminished, to stay in line with Jefferson.

Again, as an end-user, I know the disappointment of pulling a "bad" card. So I agree that there needs to be a relatively small window for stats. It's just way too small in 2k15.

It also makes it so that all-around players get the shaft.

Looking at the new Scottie Pippen is a great example. Scottie Pippen is the archetypical do-it-all player in NBA history. His new card reflects this, by giving him above average stats almost across the board (though the formula even hits him, because his REB takes a dive, despite him being a very good rebounder). The problem is that it ignores the fact that Scottie Pippen is probably the greatest wing defender of all time (so he should have a TOP level DEF score), and Pippen, until just a couple of months ago when Lebron passed him, was the all-time leader in Assists for Forwards (so his PM should also be elite. Not just above average).

The problem is that, in having to keep him in a small window, it makes it mandatory to shaft him across the board, and to REALLY shaft him in at least one stat. This is consistent among all of the players in this game that are great at multiple things.

Magic Johnson is given the most leeway, but even he gets MASSIVELY shafted in REB. Russell Westbrook takes a dive in basically everything, just to be given his boost in ATH (a stat that exists on a lower scale than OFF/DEF/REB, so he still can almost never win, even with his highest stat. Never mind the others). Elgin Baylor (takes a dive in everything), Draymond Green (the term "Playmaking 4" has recently been created almost specifically because of Draymond, yet his PM is low on all of his cards), Chris Paul (best defensive PG in the league for years, but has bad defense on all cards), Penny Hardaway (he's given normal PG stats. Elite for normal PG stats, but still not representative. His REB and DEF should just be higher)... the list goes on.

I think this is a problem, and in my estimation, the only way to fix it, is to open up the window into which card stats can fall.

Russell Westbrook, Elgin Baylor, Magic Johnson... these guys just need to be better than other players. We shouldn't have to pretend that Westbrook didn't just win the scoring title, so his card can function within the confines of the system.

I think these issues are more important than 4v5, for the user. If it helps you guys to solve these issues by cutting it down to 4, by all means do that.. but I don't think the number of stats was a point of concern for us.

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[Poetic]

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Great great post. I hope they listen man...

[tyecopeland]

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I can't wait to give my mugsy bogues a 'bruiser' or 'tenacious rebounder' ability

[Dextro]

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And that is actually a pity - Kendrick Perkins the Greatest Rebounder of all time? No!
Is he even worth a Playoff card? We can discuss about that, but we understand why you did this.

My issue is, some of those stats looks like they were created by a trainee.

By giving yourself such restrictions in terms of stat range, position in the RTTC etc. you are causing this troubles by yourself.
We can even go back in time (Star Nick Young / ...)

It's nice to have a Bulls RTTC, but a Bulls event without Michael Jordan? At least he would have deserved a Playoff card - but we all know, he is your cash cow. And you won't immolate him


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[HamsterJJ]

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I can't wait to give my mugsy bogues a 'bruiser' or 'tenacious rebounder' ability

that would be a very good card for pump up your common.

[Daniel83]

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Well said ActionJack! Couldnt agree more!


Even if it means that pulling a James Jones PO will be much worse than it already is, if it means that pulling a Westbrook PO will be an elite card im ok with it.


I was really excited to see the cards they would create for the last Boston-Spurs RC, but was incredibly dissapointed to see that lackluster DEF on Garnett, and the crazy low OFF on Ray Allen.


I dont understand why they cant get the stats right when there's only a max of 10-20 cards released a week.


Steve Kerr and Luc Lonley are better ATH than Scottie Pippen? And there is no-one within CD that spots that?

[Danab]

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Well said ActionJack! Couldnt agree more!


Even if it means that pulling a James Jones PO will be much worse than it already is, if it means that pulling a Westbrook PO will be an elite card im ok with it.


I was really excited to see the cards they would create for the last Boston-Spurs RC, but was incredibly dissapointed to see that lackluster DEF on Garnett, and the crazy low OFF on Ray Allen.


I dont understand why they cant get the stats right when there's only a max of 10-20 cards released a week.


Steve Kerr and Luc Lonley are better ATH than Scottie Pippen? And there is no-one within CD that spots that?

Part of it comes from the fact that they are giving too many PO cards now so the RttC cards from the losing side are very bad (i.e Stockton, Baylor or even Wilt), same fdr the lower reward on RC (i.e Allen/Garnett...) The old RC were more adapted in that regard, allowed to make Bird/Kemp quite good cards for example,

[ActionJack]

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Part of it comes from the fact that they are giving too many PO cards now so the RttC cards from the losing side are very bad (i.e Stockton, Baylor or even Wilt), same fdr the lower reward on RC (i.e Allen/Garnett...) The old RC were more adapted in that regard, allowed to make Bird/Kemp quite good cards for example,

That's definitely true, but all of these problems existed before PO tier even came out. I understand why PO Baylor has to suck... but Star Baylor isn't anything to write home about either.

PO Westbrook was the top normal PO reward in his RC, and he is underdone. You can put that on PO over saturation... but Legendary Westbrook has the exact same issues.

There are reasons to explain some of this stuff, especially with the recent RC/RttC events, but all of this stuff has been around since the beginning.

[jasrulz63]

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The original set of 30 or so PO cards were quite good balance wise.