RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

[Danab]

Hi guys. I know we discussed it already but I want to open that topic again! I think that the reward structure for RC needs to change and fast.

Indeed IMHO top positions and top 100 don't give good enough rewards! Last year, it was special and motivating to get a DUPE Rc card. This year, it seems pointless...

For example this RC i settled for top 1000 so only 6k points.

It allowed me to : 1/ have a life; 2/ not spend over 48k on hs therefore making 60k of profits over the RC; 3/ get a RC card.

This card for once has the perfect spec. PM.

On the other hand a top 10 player, my friend TeamTerminator ended up with 4 times more points which shows a huge commitment.
Results : his rewards SUCK (a foil RC Wall 2 spec, def/reb and a foil leg which doesn't make most top players season Lu...)

I know for a fact since I reached top 100 3 times this year that most players have to spend at least 300k (inclunding all their sales) to secure their spot.

So tell me where is the incentive to even grind there?

Several options have alredy been raised by member such has :

4 spec RC reward + WC for Top 25
3 Spec for Top 100
2 Spec Top 500
1 Spec top 1000

Or Receiving the RC card + a special card which allow you to ADD ability to ANY card of your choice (card only obtainable as part of the RC reward).

What do you guys think? What do you think the reward structure should be?

[SlightlySnaked]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

Hi guys. I know we discussed it already but I want to open that topic again! I think that the reward structure for RC needs to change and fast.

Indeed IMHO top positions and top 100 don't give good enough rewards! Last year, it was special and motivating to get a DUPE Rc card. This year, it seems pointless...

For example this RC i settled for top 1000 so only 6k points.

It allowed me to : 1/ have a life; 2/ not spend over 48k on hs therefore making 60k of profits over the RC; 3/ get a RC card.

This card for once has the perfect spec. PM.

On the other hand a top 10 player, my friend TeamTerminator ended up with 4 times more points which shows a huge commitment.
Results : his rewards SUCK (a foil RC Wall 2 spec, def/reb and a foil leg which doesn't make most top players season Lu...)

I know for a fact since I reached top 100 3 times this year that most players have to spend at least 300k (inclunding all their sales) to secure their spot.

So tell me where is the incentive to even grind there?

Several options have alredy been raised by member such has :

4 spec RC reward + WC for Top 25
3 Spec for Top 100
2 Spec Top 500
1 Spec top 1000

Or Receiving the RC card + a special card which allow you to ADD ability to ANY card of your choice (card only obtainable as part of the RC reward).

What do you guys think? What do you think the reward structure should be?

All your suggestions seem reasonable... none of them are probably going to happen... here's to hoping for a decent RttC this week to bring me back into the game a bit...

-Snake

[DiamondsAndMurls]

RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

There definitely needs to be a tier in between 100-1000. I finish top 500 every RC.

What I don't get is we finished in the same neighborhood and I never buy HS for RC. I drafted 3 legs during RC which is the most ever during an event. How did you make 108k (60k profit plus 48k hs pack?) Selling legs dont even consistently bring 30k back.


MyTeam- The North

[jongo13]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

I think there are way to many RC cards given out.Maybe top 500 would be ok,with big incentives for top 10 or 25.And a maybe tiers for every hundred up to 500.

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[PsyGoesNova]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

The disparity in effort and resources (RP) needed to get into top 100 and top 1k and the corresponding rewards is night and day. There is so much work needed to get to top 100 to get a single spec advantage, while you can just coast for the duration of the event for top 1k and basically get the same reward albeit a bit weaker.

Like Danab said, people like TeamTerminator and the rest of the 99 people who dedicate their time for this event should get better rewards than people who choose not to put in the same effort.

I understand that people who don't have the time and resources (and maybe willingness) should not be left out, but please, either change their reward to a non-RC card, OR they can still have a basic RC card but make the top 100 and 25 rewards substantially better.


TLDR: Rewards for the top 100 people suck and its almost useless to go for it when you can coast and spend little time and almost zero resources to get basically the same card. Changes are needed.


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[Idapapi79]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

I agree the reward structure needs to change. Top 25 should be awarded a 4 spec card liked the ones auctioned in skybox for the same 3-4 players the buy everytime. In 2k15 you got the best card in the game for finishing top 25 that should be the case with 2k16.

I propose the reward structure go something like this:

Top 25 : 4 spec rc
Top 100 : rc foil
Top 300 : non foil rc
Top 1000 : leg foil

[Adam_19]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

Changing the rewards would just cater to people who spend a lot of money on the game. There is no way a free player would be able to compete which would just be completely unfair. There is already skybox that is basically exclusive to paying players seeing as no one else can afford anything in there so there is no reason to alienate the free players even more by changing RC rewards.

[CAMeagle]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

Changing the rewards would just cater to people who spend a lot of money on the game. There is no way a free player would be able to compete which would just be completely unfair. There is already skybox that is basically exclusive to paying players seeing as no one else can afford anything in there so there is no reason to alienate the free players even more by changing RC rewards.

Yes, Top 100 should get better rewards. Some good ideas have been given already. I may be overrating the spec aspect, but the new special supplement cards are really intriguing -- making cards auctionable, adding specs of choice, etc. Or just giving wild cards out.

As a mostly free player (donating $100 to CD for star contracts only -- treating this like a VERY expensive portable console videogame), I feel REALLY grateful to be able to have a chance for an RC card when I have the time & roster benefit to put in the 1000 games in 81 hours (placing under 500 for Wade & Wall without HSing). I understand if the rewards change to entice more HSing, but personally that would suck.

I'd rather CD give better incentives for Top 100, 250, or 500 for RC and Semifinals/Finals/Champ in Seasons. That might cause a bigger gap between the haves and have-nots, but if the game is running on the $$$ of the rich and top middle-class -- gotta keep them happy, right? Since the original point is to make sure the time and $$$ being thrown down for top spots are rewarded accordingly.

AND IF they do change the rewards at the top, make sure the algorithms for seasons and other functions are sharpened accordingly so squads are matched up with similar squads of strength to avoid mismatches as much as possible. (Yes, there will always be strategies to take advantage of loopholes, but that's a part of life.)

[Idapapi79]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

Changing the rewards would just cater to people who spend a lot of money on the game. There is no way a free player would be able to compete which would just be completely unfair. There is already skybox that is basically exclusive to paying players seeing as no one else can afford anything in there so there is no reason to alienate the free players even more by changing RC rewards.

No it would not cater to people who spend, it will cater to the people that put in the time and effort.
Team Terminator is a free player and have ranked top 25 every RC.



Players that get 6000 points should not get the same reward as someone that gets 16,000.
And all this free player talk is really getting tired. There are a bunch of free players that have just as good of decks as paid players. You just have to be willing to put the time in. You cannot to expect a top card with little to no effort, and that's seems to be a lot of players issue with the game.

[jongo13]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

I havent spent a dime on this game and have a pretty competitive deck.I have gone as high as 283 in rc.So it's possible as a free player.Adding the rp with the auction house this time has given us a pretty fair way to compete.It let's me get all the rp I need for the challeges to buy HS.That being said,I agree with idapapi.There needs to be more incentive for top 25 and fewer RC cards handed out.I think it would make the events mean a lot more.

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[Adam_19]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

No it would not cater to people who spend, it will cater to the people that put in the time and effort.
Team Terminator is a free player and have ranked top 25 every RC.



Players that get 6000 points should not get the same reward as someone that gets 16,000.
And all this free player talk is really getting tired. There are a bunch of free players that have just as good of decks as paid players. You just have to be willing to put the time in. You cannot to expect a top card with little to no effort, and that's seems to be a lot of players issue with the game.

Who said I expect anything? I'm a free player and finished top 100 in 3 out of the 4 RCs so far with the last one being the exception where I just went for top 1000 because I couldn't be bothered to play more. I said if the rewards were better then we wouldn't be able to compete because the points totals would definitely become even higher. Also I'm not sure where 6000 points get you the same rewards as 16000 points but yeah ok.

[Idapapi79]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

Who said I expect anything? I'm a free player and finished top 100 in 3 out of the 4 RCs so far with the last one being the exception where I just went for top 1000 because I couldn't be bothered to play more. I said if the rewards were then we wouldn't be able to compete because the points totals would definitely become even higher. Also I'm not sure where 6000 points get you the same rewards as 16000 points but yeah ok.

You need RP to compete during rc. RP is FREE, so how would free players not be able to compete with the higher point totals?


I ranked 55 w/ 16,003 points and got reb/pm spec. The OP had 6k points and got pm spec. Rebound spec on a point guard is useless so yeah that's pretty much the same reward. Now im not complaining about the specs, I don't mind them being random, but 10,000 point difference for just one extra spec needs to be changed.

[drdotwho]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

Who said I expect anything? I'm a free player and finished top 100 in 3 out of the 4 RCs so far with the last one being the exception where I just went for top 1000 because I couldn't be bothered to play more. I said if the rewards were better then we wouldn't be able to compete because the points totals would definitely become even higher. Also I'm not sure where 6000 points get you the same rewards as 16000 points but yeah ok.

I guess the discussion there is -- does one extra spec make THAT much of a different? Is it fair to those who put extra 10k points in RC to get a card with 1 extra spec, or slightly better than a single spec RC card? I think that is debatable. It is even more debatable if a top 100-finisher got 2 spec at the worst category compare with a top-1000 Finisher getting a 1 spec on the best category -- the latter card can beat the first card in circumstances that are more common/usual.

While you can certainly say that "it is your choice to go for top 100 or not", I believe the point is that such reward structure is no longer rewarding for the top players. It can, and only will, hurt CD in a long run (imagine some big names already considered quitting the game because RC is no longer " fun" or "competitive" due to its rewards for the top-25 and top-100 finishers.)

Either introduce a bracket within top-1000 (101-1000) or lower the reward for top-1000 is one of the more obvious option to make people to have incentive to compete.

[Adam_19]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

You need RP to compete during rc. RP is FREE, so how would free players not be able to compete with the higher point totals?


I ranked 55 w/ 16,003 points and got reb/pm spec. The OP had 6k points and got pm spec. Rebound spec on a point guard is useless so yeah that's pretty much the same reward. Now im not complaining about the specs, I don't mind them being random, but 10,000 point difference for just one extra spec needs to be changed.

So it's not the same reward then as you got a stronger card. And the amount of RP that would be needed there is absolutely no way a free player could consistently compete especially with how even the LEG market now is slowly dying.

[Adam_19]

Re: RC Reward Structure. We need a change.

I guess the discussion there is -- does one extra spec make THAT much of a different? Is it fair to those who put extra 10k points in RC to get a card with 1 extra spec, or slightly better than a single spec RC card? I think that is debatable. It is even more debatable if a top 100-finisher got 2 spec at the worst category compare with a top-1000 Finisher getting a 1 spec on the best category -- the latter card can beat the first card in circumstances that are more common/usual.

While you can certainly say that "it is your choice to go for top 100 or not", I believe the point is that such reward structure is no longer rewarding for the top players. It can, and only will, hurt CD in a long run (imagine some big names already considered quitting the game because RC is no longer " fun" or "competitive" due to its rewards for the top-25 and top-100 finishers.)

Either introduce a bracket within top-1000 (101-1000) or lower the reward for top-1000 is one of the more obvious option to make people to have incentive to compete.

The people who spend silly amounts on the game will never quit lol