Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

[necastivi]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Hi,

I just started using your rosters, testing on a couple of cpu vs cpu games and using cpuvscpu sliders. It's great finally seeing a lot of pick and rolls and a flowing fast break action, I think you really maxed the potential here.

However I'll do some modifications of my own since the major problem is the number of posessions. For some reason the teams still wait until the buzzer to shoot most of the time. Even the Suns and such teams. So it's not down to offensive tempo. Is it not attacking the basket enough, or the freelance tendencies or something else i dont knkow but Ill gladly test and post results. Ill also try to increase turnovers by decreasing pass accuracy and increase fouls as those are also a little short of real time stats.

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Hi,

I just started using your rosters, testing on a couple of cpu vs cpu games and using cpuvscpu sliders. It's great finally seeing a lot of pick and rolls and a flowing fast break action, I think you really maxed the potential here.

However I'll do some modifications of my own since the major problem is the number of posessions. For some reason the teams still wait until the buzzer to shoot most of the time. Even the Suns and such teams. So it's not down to offensive tempo. Is it not attacking the basket enough, or the freelance tendencies or something else i dont knkow but Ill gladly test and post results. Ill also try to increase turnovers by decreasing pass accuracy and increase fouls as those are also a little short of real time stats.

I'm glad you're enjoying them!

If you don't mind, the next CPU vs. CPU game you watch, will you track the number of times a team takes a shot in the last 4 seconds of the shot clock and also track who takes the shot? The more testing we get done, the better chance we have of making this game as good as it can be.

I'm routinely seeing the slow-paced teams get around 72-77 shots per game and the fast-paced teams getting 82-89 with team fouls in the 10-18 range and free throw attempts in the 14-30 range. Even with the fast break and game tempo sliders at 100 I've still seen the occasional shot at the end of the shot clock, but as long as it's occasional and not regular, I can live with it. Not every possession in real life is used in the first 10-15 seconds of the shot clock, even with the most up-tempo teams.

In the Association I'm running with the Clippers, I've only seen one big man take a shot at the end of the shot clock, and that was Oden on the Blazers. I'm considering raising the "basement" of the offensive tempo coaching slider to try to combat this. I didn't see it at all against the Grizzlies or the Cavs so I'm assuming 25 may be a little low for this slider.

That being said, edit away, man. If you can make changers to sliders/tendencies/coaching sliders that improve the game moreso than decrease it, I'm all for it. At this point, I've moved on to editing the Classic Teams. So far, I've got the 64-54 Lakers and Celtics done along with the 94-95 Magic. I also edited the touches, take shot, and isolation tendencies for the free agents. That crop is so bad this year I didn't take the time to edit every players attribute and tendency. If they get picked up by someone, they won't get much playing time.

[necastivi]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

I'm glad you're enjoying them!

If you don't mind, the next CPU vs. CPU game you watch, will you track the number of times a team takes a shot in the last 4 seconds of the shot clock and also track who takes the shot? The more testing we get done, the better chance we have of making this game as good as it can be.

I'm routinely seeing the slow-paced teams get around 72-77 shots per game and the fast-paced teams getting 82-89 with team fouls in the 10-18 range and free throw attempts in the 14-30 range. Even with the fast break and game tempo sliders at 100 I've still seen the occasional shot at the end of the shot clock, but as long as it's occasional and not regular, I can live with it. Not every possession in real life is used in the first 10-15 seconds of the shot clock, even with the most up-tempo teams.

In the Association I'm running with the Clippers, I've only seen one big man take a shot at the end of the shot clock, and that was Oden on the Blazers. I'm considering raising the "basement" of the offensive tempo coaching slider to try to combat this. I didn't see it at all against the Grizzlies or the Cavs so I'm assuming 25 may be a little low for this slider.

That being said, edit away, man. If you can make changers to sliders/tendencies/coaching sliders that improve the game moreso than decrease it, I'm all for it. At this point, I've moved on to editing the Classic Teams. So far, I've got the 64-54 Lakers and Celtics done along with the 94-95 Magic. I also edited the touches, take shot, and isolation tendencies for the free agents. That crop is so bad this year I didn't take the time to edit every players attribute and tendency. If they get picked up by someone, they won't get much playing time.

It's usually playmakers taking the shots. Big men never. That's a great step forward, I suppose you took away their isolation tendency. That used to irritate me as well. Average NBA no of posessions is around 106, here I'm getting 90-100, with fga's ok but TO's and FTA's too low. I'll check and try to help out. Keep up the great job!

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

It's usually playmakers taking the shots. Big men never. That's a great step forward, I suppose you took away their isolation tendency. That used to irritate me as well. Average NBA no of posessions is around 106, here I'm getting 90-100, with fga's ok but TO's and FTA's too low. I'll check and try to help out. Keep up the great job!

Thank you! I appreciate the help more than I can say. I'm running short on time to edit and I'll accept help gladly.

What formula do you use to determine possessions used?

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

I just remembered 82games.com breaks down player and team shot usage in reference to how much time has elapsed in the shot clock. Here are the top and bottom 3 teams in regards to pace and how often they take shots in the last 4 seconds of the shot clock:

Minnesota 8% 6.8 Shots per game
New York 9% 7.5 Shots per game
Denver 12% 9.7 Shots per game

Detroit 22% 17.8 Shots per game
New Orleans 18% 14 Shots per game
Portland 17% 13.6 Shots per game

If you are seeing between 5-20 shots per game, per team, taken at the end of the shot clock, it would be fairly accurate. Even Phoenix was at 10%.

[dman321]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

great work mate! much appreciate u making the time and effort to do this for the pc...gonna try these out tonite quick question...which of the 2 sliders given here (hum/cpu or cpu/cpu) would be better to use in my player mode with the sliders frozen...

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

great work mate! much appreciate u making the time and effort to do this for the pc...gonna try these out tonite quick question...which of the 2 sliders given here (hum/cpu or cpu/cpu) would be better to use in my player mode with the sliders frozen...

Hum vs. CPU, but either would work. They're very similar.

[ffpp]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Hey slimm44,
as you are working so hard on roster stuff, maybe you can help with this.
What's driving me crazy (since 2k11 actually) is Greg Oden's rebounding in this game - there is barely one!
I looked at his personal tendencies, his attributes too, and didn't find anything that would hint at reasons for his awful rebounding game. Often it's like he cannot utilize his size/strength advantage and on offense it is often the case that he wanders out to the 3pt line.
But even if he has good rebounding position he seems to have bad timing, gives up position again in the last moment or some other stupid thing happens that prevents him from getting a board.
Camby comes in from the bench and averages more rebounds in less minutes.

I just had a game against the rockets with their C Chuck Hayes who is frikkin 6'5 and Oden gets _2_ boards in over 30 minutes of play. -.-

Is it the emotion attribute ? I already tried to tinker with other stuff. His rebounding attributes are excellent and his def. awareness is good as well but he cannot even dominate his own board.
Please help :/

Btw: These are the default rosters. Simulated stats are o.k., it's only in the actual game that he sucks.

[aloncho11]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

It's actually in tendencies. Most bigmen should have their tendency to isolate set to 0, along with set pick and set screen set to or close 0.

His plays in his default edit screen should not have isolation/high post among them.

2K12 got this wrong with the big men tendencies.

You may want to take a peek at this thread:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ge-things.html

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

I've skimmed the thread posted above me but I haven't tried out the theory yet. It seems to be pretty solid. With guys like Oden, who don't do much on offense beside set screens, it's a simple fix. Set their tendency to set picks low, set their set screens tendency high, and make sure they are posting down low and not up high. With guys like Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard, it may not be such an easy fix.

If it's a problem of having the big men set picks in the Pick and Roll game, I would have a hard time changing it. The majority of the time Blake and Dwight are setting picks for the ball handler, rolling off, and crushing the rim. I like that part of the game. For instance, last season Orlando ran the Pick and Roll nearly 25% of the time. That's once every 4 possessions. Take that away and you take away their offense.

I'll check out the aforementioned thread and get back with you.

[aloncho11]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

It works, I have tried it ingame. About Dwight and Blake don't worry about seeting their pick and screen tendencies to 0, since their pick and roll moves are assigned via playbook, so they will still play true to their style.

[VCMan11]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Hey.. how do I install these? Where do I put the files?

[ffpp]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

It's actually in tendencies. Most bigmen should have their tendency to isolate set to 0, along with set pick and set screen set to or close 0.

His plays in his default edit screen should not have isolation/high post among them.

2K12 got this wrong with the big men tendencies.

You may want to take a peek at this thread:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ge-things.html

Thanks. I looked into it again and Oden's tendencies in those areas where already very low. Does it make much of a difference if you lower them by another 1-6 points ?

I also did another experiment by lowering the overall vertical slider to 35 for both teams, hoping that this would make the height advantage of tall players count more if little guys don't jump as high for rebounds as much.
Played only one game since then. Oden was o.k. with 10 boards in 30 minutes but I will have to see what his averages of the next couple of games will be.

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Hey.. how do I install these? Where do I put the files?

Unzip the file and install them in the NBA 2k Saves folder.

[aloncho11]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Thanks. I looked into it again and Oden's tendencies in those areas where already very low. Does it make much of a difference if you lower them by another 1-6 points ?

I also did another experiment by lowering the overall vertical slider to 35 for both teams, hoping that this would make the height advantage of tall players count more if little guys don't jump as high for rebounds as much.
Played only one game since then. Oden was o.k. with 10 boards in 30 minutes but I will have to see what his averages of the next couple of games will be.

Set his isolation tendency to 0 and make sure he doesn't have any isolation, high post plays in the player edit main screen.