Player Ratings at IGN

[Rasco11]

Re: Player Ratings at IGN

Exactly. Look at his individual ratings, not his overall.

I've actually been thinking this for the past couple years. How about a "Leadership" rating, "Heart", (oh I forgot, you can't measure heart...lol), "Intangibles", "Peer Respect", or "Teammate" rating? Something to account for the very value that Steve Nash gave his team last year! He won the NBA MVP mainly because of his overwhelming leadership role! Yeah, maybe he isn't the best all around athlete. But if you were doing a mock draft, I bet he would go in the top 25 and not past that as he will if you do a random draft on Live because of his lower overall rating. I agree with the previous poster...there is no way Nash shouldn't be the second highest rated Sun behind Stoudamire.

I made this sound like I'm way more passionate about this than I am. To be honest, I'm not even a Steve Nash fan. I just found it humorous that the league MVP isn't in the top 25 players as far as EA is concerned.

[garnettrules21]

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steve nash, jermaine o'neal, dirk nowitzki i know im missing a few that could easily be in there

[RubenDouglas]

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speaking of ratings, this NBA TEXT simulation game has some great "trade" ratings... such as greed, loyalty, likeability..

just something to think about.. thats been in that game for 5 years now.. nothing out of the main games out though

[Ofizzle]

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I've actually been thinking this for the past couple years. How about a "Leadership" rating, "Heart", (oh I forgot, you can't measure heart...lol), "Intangibles", "Peer Respect", or "Teammate" rating? Something to account for the very value that Steve Nash gave his team last year! He won the NBA MVP mainly because of his overwhelming leadership role! Yeah, maybe he isn't the best all around athlete. But if you were doing a mock draft, I bet he would go in the top 25 and not past that as he will if you do a random draft on Live because of his lower overall rating. I agree with the previous poster...there is no way Nash shouldn't be the second highest rated Sun behind Stoudamire.

I made this sound like I'm way more passionate about this than I am. To be honest, I'm not even a Steve Nash fan. I just found it humorous that the league MVP isn't in the top 25 players as far as EA is concerned.

What they need to do is first of all individualize the ratings for positions, and secondly change the way the ratings are weighted.

For PG's, rebounding and shot blocking won't weight much, though they will a little, with their current ratings it can go something like this [just an example] for a PG:

Main ones 60% of overall:
FG, 3PT, Pass, Dribble, O.Aware, D.Aware, Steal

Athletic ability 35% of overall:
Speed, Quickness, Jump, Stamina

Others 5% of overall:
FT, Dunk, Ins. Scr, O. Reb, Strgth, D.Reb, Block, Hardiness


Then they could add Leadership or something like that, but those are too debatable...

[Kashanova]

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speaking of ratings, this NBA TEXT simulation game has some great "trade" ratings... such as greed, loyalty, likeability..

just something to think about.. thats been in that game for 5 years now.. nothing out of the main games out though

can u link it to me thru pm or something

i think dirks indivual ratings is why they are low, isn't a good rebounder, avg speed and can only score to be truthful

[Rasco11]

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steve nash, jermaine o'neal, dirk nowitzki i know im missing a few that could easily be in there

I agree about J. O'Neal and Dirk getting in over J. Rich and Joe Johnson?!? I'd probably pick Elton Brand over either of them, honestly!

Dirk was 4th in scoring and 9th in rebounds last year?!? That's pretty sad to not have him in the top 25...I would think his all around game would have been enough to get him in there...maybe Cuban pissed EA off too?

By the way, this is just a random prediction, but I think Chris Bosh is absolutely going to blowup this year!

[donkey33]

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speaking of ratings, this NBA TEXT simulation game has some great "trade" ratings... such as greed, loyalty, likeability..

just something to think about.. thats been in that game for 5 years now.. nothing out of the main games out though

Yeah, the text game is a good game that all 'big' games could take a few idea's from.

I'm in a league with it and it's great fun playing with these 'greed', 'loyalty', 'playing time' and other factors.

[Ofizzle]

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KG
Steal: Too low, he averaged 1.48 SPG and only got a 65, should be about 70-75
Stamina: 60 ,I think they made a mistake because if you look, they put DAware twice also, they put it in for OAware too. They calculate stamina using percentages so it doesn't make sense, this would mean KG played 28.8 MPG last season.
Pass: 72: He should be 80, I think it would make him a playmaker though, but he averages 5-6 APG on the regualar

Kobe
Quickness might be a little high, maybe about same as his speed, but he's quick, so it's fine.

Lebron
3PT 67: Too low, he should get in the 70's
Dreb 60: Should be a little higher, about 64

Tmac
FT 85: He hasn't shot up to 80% in a season yet
Dreb 68: Too high, Lebron is a better Drebounder, and he is at 60 even

Duncan
Stamina 71: I know it's because of his MPG. The stamina rating is calculated by what percentage of 48 mins you play. Duncan played 34 MPG which is 70.8% of 48. He's better than that though, he can play about 39, so an 81 would be solid.

Wade
Jump 89: A little high, he's not a super high jumper, his vertical is 36 inches, so something in the 80-85 range.
Quick/Speed 86: He should be a little quicker, and faster 89 range
Hardiness 65: He wasn't injured much last season
Stamina 76: Should be about 79-80

Marion
3PT 65: A little low, he has scary form, but shoots a good percentage
Stamina 74: Should be about 83, the guy never get's tired, he's played about 38-42 MPG for the last 4 seasons
Hardiness 63: He's not injury prone


Shaq
Fine, insdie scoring could be at 99

Amare
FT 71: Shot 73%
3PT 19: Could be higher, he has decent range, and 3PT ratings controls range
Speed 75: He's very fast down the floor, but you also don't want too make him have an unfair advantage against other PF's [wait a minute, he does :P], something like 79-80, he could beat a few guards in a foot race
DAware 80: If they're predicting his improvement for this season yes, but from last season, about a 65-70

Kirilenko
3PT 56: Should be in the 60's range, it was down b/c of injuries
Speed 64: Should be about 78
Dribble 55: In the 60's, about 65, he's not bad, but a little below average for a SF [he's lanky]
Stamina 65: Makes sense from MPG, but he played less because of injuries, normally he's a 36-37 MPG guy, so 75-77

Vince
FG 80: should be 3-4 higher, about 84
3PT 80: Career average 39%, and shot 40.6% last season, should be about 85
Pass 56: He's about a 4-5 APG guy, so in the 70-75 range

Francis
3PT 53: I want to support Francis here, but he's shot < 30% for 2 seasons in a row on high 3PT attempts, still should be in the higher 50 area, 55-59
Quick/Speed 86: He's quicker than the SG's, he should be about 88 on both
Dribble 89: A nitpicky one, but he's one of the best ball handlers in the league even if he doesn't know when to and not to dribble, should be about 95
DAware 80 - Should be 75, defensive intensity is questionable


Iverson
FG 85: He's not a better mid-range shooter than Vince, and actually not this good as a shooter, should be 80
Hardiness: If it's relating to how injury repelant you are, 91 is a little high
DAware 91: I'd give him an 85, but it's okay I guess


Baron
FG 85: He's not that good either, about 81
3PT 79: I love BD, but he's more of a 3PT jacker than maker, he should be about a 75
Dribble 88: Should also be in the high 90's range, something like 95
Stamina 69: Injuries, should be about 83


Rasheed
Inside scoring 91: Has a nice post game, but I don't know if it's that nice, it's fine I guess, that turnaround is very deadly
Strength 86: Sheed should be about 81, he's not huge, but he's strong
Dribble 32: In the 40's
O.Aware 85: Should be an 80


Pierce
FG 80: Pierce is deadly from mid-range, and Iverson would be an 80, and even started off with an 85, so Pierce should be about 84
Dribble 83: I'd give him a 78-80, his handles are not as good as the other "top tier" swings
Pass 57: Should have 70-75, like Carter, he's a 4-5 APG guy


Manu Ginobili
3PT 74: Should be 80, he's shot approx 35% on 150+ three's each year, and he's also not played up to 30 MPG yet and taken 240+ three's the last 2 years, while making 36 and 37%.

Ray Allen:
Fine

Arenas
FG 82: Very good, and underatted shooter, 82 is good, but he is better than that, could even breach the 85 mark
3PT 74: Have you seen this guys range, he can hit three's like nothing, 84
Jump 60: He has a good vertical, should be about 75
Quickness/Speed 87/86: One of the fastest and quickest in the league, 91 for both
D.Aware 82: He can steal, but Gil doesn't defend well even though he can, should go down to like 69
Stamina 65: Should be 83

Kidd
Dribble 87: 95

Marbury
D.Aware 81: More like 65, he doesn't play D even though he can
Quickness 93: Don't think I'd agree to him being quicker than Arenas and Baron.

Jefferson
FG 80: Was he shooting that good, he's improved, but I'd give him a 78
O.Aware 87: High, go down to about 83
Dribble 80: I'd give him a 76


Yao
D.Aware 82: He needs some D work, 75
Stamina 83: Woa, Yao dies after 29 MPG, all the playing in the summer kills him, that should go down to about 65
Dribble 65: Why so high? Should be under 50 like Shaq and Sheed

Joe Johnson
O.Aware 87: Should be lower, about 84
Steal 80: JJ doesn't, steal, should go down to like a 51, that would bring his overall down like 2-3 points

Jason Richardson
Dribble 80: He's a weak ball handler, should be about 73
Steal 81: I don't think he's that good
D.Aware 81: Not a good defender by any means, should be about 65

A few guys should move out of the Top 25, namely Jason Richardson and Joe Johnson. Yao would probably move out too


Some comparisons to look at, strength is the most interesting one:

Quickness-Speed
KG 70-70
Kobe 90-87
Lebron 85-85
Tmac 85-85
Wade 90-94
Marion 85-80
Amare 74-75
Kirilenko 85-74
Carter 80-82
Francis 86-86
Iverson 99-99
Pierce 78-81
Manu 86-84
Ray 81-85
Arenas 87-86
Kidd 89-94
Marbury 93-89
Jefferson 85-81
Johnson 85-75
Richardson 86-82

Pass
KG - 72
Kobe - 80
Lebron - 83
Tmac 80
Wade - 87
Carter - 56
Francis - 85
Iverson - 90
Pierce - 57
Manu - 80
Ray - 67
Arenas - 81
Kidd - 91
Marbury - 88
Jefferson - 47
Johnson - 75
Richardson - 50

Dribble
Kobe - 88
Lebron - 84
Tmac - 85
Wade - 85
Carter - 80
Francis - 89
Iverson - 99
Pierce - 83
Manu - 85
Ray - 84
Arenas - 86
Kidd - 87
Marbury - 95
Jefferson - 80
Johnson - 84
Richardson - 80

Strength
J-Rich - 65
Johnson - 69
Jefferson - 61
Marbury - 71
Kidd - 60
Arenas - 60
Allen - 54
Manu - 56
Pierce - 68
Baron - 69
Iverson - 37
Francis - 55
Vince - 60
Kirilenko - 50
Marion - 55
Wade - 60
McGrady - 50
Lebron - 85
Kobe - 60


Strength Big
Yao - 86
Sheed - 86
Amare - 85
Shaq - 99
Duncan - 85
KG - 85


The strength ratings definately need to be changed. Kobe is stronger than Pierce, and shouldn't be rated just a 60. Baron is a tank, but he's a stong PG, not a strong SG, he has a higher rating than a lot of swings. I don't want Baron posting up Vince and backing him down etc...

[luv_mist]

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Definitely should be seeing a bunch of you guys dropping some solid Action Replay joints this season as well as some text stuff on gamefaqs. Especially for us numerically challenged gamers. Right??

[Ghayghay]

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About those ratings and the overall numbers. I do agree that not seeing Nash on this list is weird at first.. but hey the guys isn't that great if you think about an overall... I mean I think Duncan is beter than Garnett but in overall Garnett is higher (more guard skills)

So what I was thinking is to add an other compiled rating (like overall) called effiency or something like that. Let's say I create a 3Pt shooter Crazy specialist. 99 in 3pts, 99 in off awarness, 99 in speed, 7 "5" tall and 0 in everything else. (I am making a point here) This guy should be a 60 overall.. he's not good in overall.. but he should be 99 in efficiency (deep shooter) because he is really good in a area of the game.

Imagine having
Ben Wallace: Overall 78 Efficiency (defense) 96
While he is no offensive weapon he is really great in defense..
Shawn Marion : Overall 91 Efficiency 75
While he is good in everything he is not great at anything
Bruce Bowen: Overall 72 Efficiency (defense) 92
see where I'm going?

How do you compare Steve Nash and Baron Davis?

While Nash is not has athletic as Baron he is doing a better job..

Nash could be: Overall 80 Effiency (playmaker) 98
Davis : Overall 88 Efficiency (scorer) 70

Now the user could prefere a more complete guy (Davis) to a specialist.. so ratings could be interpreted in a different kind of way.. coach could prefer specialist or not for the trading system.. etc.

Efficiency for playmaking could be calcuted like that: 40% passing, 30% off awarness,10% dribble, 10%speed , 10% quick.. or whatever.. a combination of what is important for playmaking.. even add a +5 bonus if your a PG, a -5 bonus if your a C... etc.. because position is a factor to consider.



Do you understand what I mean?
(I'm french and my English sucks so sorry if you guys don't really understand what I'm saying)

Comments?

[donkey33]

Re: Player Ratings at IGN

I agree but I think this is already factored into each player. It's just that people are making too big a deal out of the 'overall' rating and need to look at more specific ratings because as someone said before, different ratings have different weights depending on the position.

[FORMULA316]

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If EA does not provide a roster import feature from MM to Live, I will buy Sega’s offering yet again. Seeing as EA must have gone out of their way to promote the ratings to IGN, its easy to be critical because at first glance player rankings appear to be quite poor.

[DW Rutledge]

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any rating system that has Shawm Marion above Shaq is flawed. Period, end of story.

[mynutees]

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The whole time I was waiting to see Nash come up in their top 25... but alas.

Vince "heartless" Carter an 89? Please, that guy should be rated 0 for not playing whilst in the T.Dot.

rofl@joe johnson rated higher than Steve Nash - this game already looks like a joke.

[Gilateen]

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any rating system that has Shawn Marion above Shaq is flawed. Period, end of story.

joe johnson rated higher than Steve Nash

Definitely should be seeing a bunch of you guys dropping some solid Action Replay joints this season as well as some text stuff..

Indeed...

BTW...good job ofizzle on the rating breakdown. I cant view IGN from work...damn filters