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  • Pointguard
    MVP
    • Jun 2005
    • 2977

    #46
    Re: Player Ratings at IGN

    A lot of things are swrewed up.

    I understand Nash not being high. He doesn't rebound, play defense, get steals, blocks.

    But someone like Dirk Nowitzki who was a 1st team all-NBA player, finsihed 3rd in MVP votes and does almost everything on the court at least average, and most he's good at just doesn't make sense.

    I guess thats why there is the "edit player" option.

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    • nkhera1
      All Star
      • Oct 2003
      • 5913

      #47
      Re: Player Ratings at IGN

      Here are some things that EA should implement. First of all some ratings should have higher effects then others when describing certain positions so even if a center like shaq sucks from the outside but is good in the inside he should still get a high ranking. Also when mentioning Nash lets not forget that this guy can score when he wants to (remember the Dallas series) its just that he likes to distribute the ball. He is a great shooter and he can get inside and finish when he needs to so I still don't understand how a player like Jason Richardson is better just because he has a better vertical and better defense. There is no way he made the same impact as Nash.
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      • Ofizzle
        Pro
        • Nov 2003
        • 632

        #48
        Re: Player Ratings at IGN

        Originally posted by Pointguard
        A lot of things are swrewed up.

        I understand Nash not being high. He doesn't rebound, play defense, get steals, blocks.

        But someone like Dirk Nowitzki who was a 1st team all-NBA player, finsihed 3rd in MVP votes and does almost everything on the court at least average, and most he's good at just doesn't make sense.

        I guess thats why there is the "edit player" option.
        They made Dirk a crappy passer, I saw his full ratings, that should boost him up to about 88 when fixed. Outside of that, his other ratings were accurate and fine..

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        • donkey33
          MVP
          • Aug 2002
          • 1268

          #49
          Re: Player Ratings at IGN

          Originally posted by Ofizzle
          How would you make AI a 93 though? If you looked at his individual ratings, you could even say they gave him extra boosts in FG shooting, and their's nothing where he got underatted in. Unless you give him a 90 dunk which would just make his play unrealistic, his ratings are actually fine, he's not underatted in anything that actually affects gameplay, just in the overall which is not a big deal. Take out dunk in overall, and he has a similar rating to Kobe and Tmac, but a little lower because of rebounding.

          Baron will always have a high rating because versatile players get priority in the game. Baron's normal output when playing 38-40 MPG is: 18-21+ PPG, 4 RPG, 7-8 APG, about 2 SPG, then he also has a 40+ inch vertical, and is the other really good dunking PG along with Francis, so he get's a lot higher dunk rating than 80% of the other PG's. From his individual ratings, his shooting is too high, that could bring him down 1-2, but his dribble and stamina are lower, which when adjusted would put him at about the same spot.

          Joe Johnson and J-Rich were overatted. J-Rich can't defend, and is a weak ball handler for a PG, and Joe Johnson got about 30 more ratings points on his steal rating than he should've. They should go down after updates, Joe Johnson to about 80, and J-Rich 83 ish.

          Marion you can't hate on, he's a "role player superstar". He's not a #1 option, but when you can score 19-21 PPG, grab 9-10+ RPG, get 2-3 APG, 2+ SPG, 1.3+ BPG, play good man to man defense, and are out of the most athletic players in the league, well, it should'nt be a surprise. He puts up the same numbers scoring and rebounding wise as most of the very good big men, then in addition to that is vastly quicker, faster, jumps higher than all, is one of the best thief's in the league, and block shots like a PF.


          Nash has a 99 pass rating, and a 99 offensive awareness rating, though he's not actually the best passer, Kidd is, Nash was just on a faster paced, and vastly offensive skilled team in comparison, but who cares about that. So Nash is 11 points higher than Marbury in passing, and 11 points higher in offensive awareness, 22 total. On stealing alone, Marbury already has 29 more points, so it already counteracts that. Then Marbury has +14 on jump, +10 on strength, and then the big one, + 54 in dunk. I think we found the problem...Really if they make the dunk rating an extra, and either affect the overall only by like 5%, or not at all, that alone would change a lot in ratings.



          Hmmm, consistency is an interesting idea, that's definately a rating they should look into adding...
          Exactly!

          Read that and you understand that the overall doesn't mean a lot. People are putting too much weight into it.

          I'll be more concerned with individual ratings than the overall rating.

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          • Playmakers
            Hall Of Fame
            • Sep 2004
            • 15416

            #50
            Re: Player Ratings at IGN

            Originally posted by Kashanova
            can u link it to me thru pm or something

            i think dirks indivual ratings is why they are low, isn't a good rebounder, avg speed and can only score to be truthful

            Ok buddy here's where a little classroom lesson will come in handy for you. Because your evaluation of DW is FLAWED!

            26.1 PPG-4th overall in the NBA

            9.7 RPG-9th overall (8.5 ORPG which was 2nd overall only to KG's 10.5)

            1.53 BPG-21st overall (In contrast Amare was 20th at 1.63)

            1.24 SPG-32nd overall (In contrast Tony Parker and Ray Allen both guards averaged 1.23 & 1.08 respectively)

            37-Double/Doubles-8th overall

            28.93-Efficiency Rating-3rd overall (Only KJ at 31.96 & LBJ at 28.24 ranked higher)

            Not to mention top 5 in NBA MVP Voting.

            Those stats don't reflect just a guy capable of scoring. The problem is Dirk isn't as flashy as most guy's. His overall game has quietly improved right under most people nose simply because he isn't as marketable as most of the big time US NBA players.

            Half the stats I posted I can gurantee half the forum had no idea because they only think of Nowitzki as what you stated a scorer. But his #'s from top to bottom are better than Amare yet people view Amare in a different manner......
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            • Ofizzle
              Pro
              • Nov 2003
              • 632

              #51
              Re: Player Ratings at IGN

              Dirk is a good defensive rebounder, but weak offensive rebounder, obviously a good shooter and scorer, average shot blocker [I think he was higher than KG last year], decent stealer [good for a big], decent passer [about 3 APG which is where they made him too low, he got a 37 rating], and okay defender. The Dallas zone defense helps him a lot on defense since he doesn't have to play as much strict man to man defense.

              Where his ratings don't get as high as others, he doesn't thrown down nasty dunks, he dunks because he's 7 feet tall, not because he can jump high, so a lower dunk rating than most other star bigs. He's not that strong for a big, like already mentioned has below average vertical, defensive awareness would be low, he's not that fast, but ha good handles and quickness offensively. His inside scoring wouldn't be as good as other bigs, but his rating is fine on that anyways, it's like 81.

              Improve his passing, and he'll probably go up to about 88, which is good considering how the ratings are handled.....


              Ovrl 86
              FG 91
              3PT 80
              FT 86
              Dunk 68
              Steal 57
              Block 63
              O. Reb 25
              D. Reb 89
              Pass 37
              O. Aware 90
              D. Aware 59
              Speed 64
              Quick 70
              Jump 60
              Dribble 59
              Strgth 66
              Hardy 85
              Ins.Scr 86
              Last edited by Ofizzle; 09-22-2005, 12:50 AM.

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              • Pointguard
                MVP
                • Jun 2005
                • 2977

                #52
                Re: Player Ratings at IGN

                I dont understand how Duncan's dunk is an 85 yet Dirk's is 68. Dirk may not deserve as good a rating there as Duncan, but surely Duncan doesn't dunks are regular and he dunks because he's 7 foot, not because of vert or athletic abilities.

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                • Ofizzle
                  Pro
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 632

                  #53
                  Re: Player Ratings at IGN

                  Duncan's should go down, that's about all, he should be about 75, Dirk is fine at 68, I can't stand his dunks, they're so ugly....

                  Dirk's block also has to go up, he averaged like 1.53...

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                  • bats26
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 494

                    #54
                    Re: Player Ratings at IGN

                    Dirk should have at least hav 75 Block rating.
                    His pass rating is atrocious too.

                    He's the only 7 footer other than garnett who could bring down the ball easily. That says a lot about his overall basketball skills. He should at least be an 85.

                    Watched the Germany-SLovenia game yesterday. he was blocking shots like Big Ben.
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                    • bats26
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 494

                      #55
                      Re: Player Ratings at IGN

                      Let's just keep posting ratings issues here. EA clearly read this last year. The fixes in their 1st roster update fixed all the complaints on this forum when live was released.

                      Like Banks being slower than Payton and Dampier having a 60 Inside scoring (which was lower than Shawn Bradley's) .

                      I guess we need to make a thread listing all the ratings abberations this year.
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                      • Ofizzle
                        Pro
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 632

                        #56
                        Re: Player Ratings at IGN

                        He's the only 7 footer other than garnett who could bring down the ball easily. That says a lot about his overall basketball skills. He should at least be an 85.
                        He's higher than 85 already, he should be an 88-89.

                        I guess we need to make a thread listing all the ratings abberations this year.
                        I would definately be very pleased to assist in doing that...

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                        • Perceptor
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 4364

                          #57
                          Re: Player Ratings at IGN

                          I have a bone to pick with Nash not being in the top 25 - How Ason (no J) Kidd is rated higher than Nash is asinine. Kidd can't shoot as well as Nash and while he may rebound better than Nash, there's just no way he should be better based on last year's performances. Nash was a better passer, scorer, shooter, and less injury prone than Kidd last year.

                          I can see guys like Marbury, Baron et. al being rated higher because of their ability to score and their athleticism, but Kidd should not be on the list at all. He had a down year last season compared to Nash and really shouldn't be in the Top 25.

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