why is everyone treating EA like there the yankees?

[Jukeman]

Its like every year people are hoping EA fail so they can talk about it,for what? I dont kno, maybe its there hobbie.So wat if there game is not the ultimate sports game ever.There is nothing wrong with live that us hardcore sim guys cant fix with sliders,you people sould kno by now that EA is not gonna be a sim game out of the box because most of the buyers are not hardcore sim guys, there just people who want to play as there favorite players and do stuff they cant do in real life, us sim guys are lucky we have sliders to make it a sim.All im sayin is that no one said EA is the god of sports games.Im not a fan boy but (have both games)but want makes 2k6 soooooo much better?

[Cardot]

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Its like every year people are hoping EA fail so they can talk about it,for what? I dont kno, maybe its there hobbie.So wat if there game is not the ultimate sports game ever.There is nothing wrong with live that us hardcore sim guys cant fix with sliders,you people sould kno by now that EA is not gonna be a sim game out of the box because most of the buyers are not hardcore sim guys, there just people who want to play as there favorite players and do stuff they cant do in real life, us sim guys are lucky we have sliders to make it a sim.All im sayin is that no one said EA is the god of sports games.Im not a fan boy but (have both games)but want makes 2k6 soooooo much better?

Yeah, I really feel bad for EA.

Also, "Know" and "What" have W's in them. And "There" is a place while "Their" is possession.

[RubenDouglas]

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i agree live is an alright game... with slider adjustments it can be amazing.

both games look good this year.

thats just the way it goes though. EA are the "yankee's". most love to hate em no matter what

[Vince]

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It's become the "it" thing to become a 2k fanboy.

[Playmakers]

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Its like every year people are hoping EA fail so they can talk about it,for what? I dont kno, maybe its there hobbie.So wat if there game is not the ultimate sports game ever.There is nothing wrong with live that us hardcore sim guys cant fix with sliders,you people sould kno by now that EA is not gonna be a sim game out of the box because most of the buyers are not hardcore sim guys, there just people who want to play as there favorite players and do stuff they cant do in real life, us sim guys are lucky we have sliders to make it a sim.All im sayin is that no one said EA is the god of sports games.Im not a fan boy but (have both games)but want makes 2k6 soooooo much better?

All I can say is don't let it bother you like I did a few days ago. In fact a poster PM'd me and told me something I never really paid too much attention to because I never got involved in the EA vs 2K debates until I saw the Live boards flooded with so many reply's about what the game does wrong instead of right. I never really realized that OS boards were more dominated by 2K fans. I guess because I never participated in threads outside of sliders I didn't know that until he informed me.

But anyway's I don't think that most 2K guy's hate EA or anything they probably just love 2K's gameplay better. There are only a few of those guy's who really make it bad for others when they post stuff with the sole intentions of starting a heated thread. They seem to know what buttons to push and how to get guy's to react. Usually, it's the ones who throw one liner's that pretty much repeat the same things over and over again about a flaw in any EA game.

They won't add anything to a thread but negativity but now I realize that if you don't reply to them soon enough they'll go away until the next game is released. So, it was silly of me to even participate in those kinds of threads and I can assure you that I will not fall into that trap again because it's a waiste of time considering I'd much rather talk to guy's who are intererested in making gameplay better not blasting it every oppurtunity they get.

[nyisles16]

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i have played both & have no problem with either.. they play decent games of bball & to me, that is enough.

[rawdog805]

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Man I have grown up off of EA Sports Video games and I love almost all of the football, basketball, and baseball games they put... I also know that EA is not the only game in town, VC gives a nice alternative/companion to EA's games...

I like to play both, but I always want to see EA succeed because I have been playing their games since I was a young Lad..

[bigeastbumrush]

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It's become the "it" thing to become a 2k fanboy.

Pretty much. Like the abused stepchild who gets no love.

People just can't seem to enjoy whatever they enjoy without having to feel the need to pump one up in defense of it.

[Ghayghay]

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Hi,

I am a hard core sim fan. I was an EA fan boy since their beginnig. I switched to 2k because I played a game with a friend. I still enjoy a lot of other EA titles (madden, nhl) and I've not tried their counterpart on 2k yet. I am mostly a Bball fan.

The reason I think why I am treating Live like the yankees, is because I was brainwashed by EA. (congrats to them for good marketing) I really think 2K is a LOT better than Live (sorry but it's my opinion) and it drives me mad when I see my friends saying Live is the best (like i was doing) because of all the marketing and not the actual game.

What EA is doing is they put so much effort on a marketing that you end up paying a lot for the marketing and not much for the actual game. It's like if i was buying a T-shirt with a no-name brand doing not much pub but good quality and I compare it to a nike T-shirt average quality. That's truly how i feel about Live and EA. I am studying marketing and I find they are GREAT in that department... but as a gamer it makes me mad! Giving a dunk contest and flashy moves just is not what I look for in a bball sim.. but they make me believe it is...

Same for Madden.. as a business WOW nice move to get the liscence of NFL rights, they should have done it. As a gamer I'm sick about it.. game will not improve as much and no other choice..

..if that makes any sense.


that's why I treat them like the Yankees.

[Jim Duggan]

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I love EA football and Baseball titles, but I really never liked Live, I try so hard too, but it's just not my type of game, I'll die for CH2k games, I love those more then any other.

[pennsy]

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All I can say is don't let it bother you like I did a few days ago. In fact a poster PM'd me and told me something I never really paid too much attention to because I never got involved in the EA vs 2K debates until I saw the Live boards flooded with so many reply's about what the game does wrong instead of right. I never really realized that OS boards were more dominated by 2K fans. I guess because I never participated in threads outside of sliders I didn't know that until he informed me.

But anyway's I don't think that most 2K guy's hate EA or anything they probably just love 2K's gameplay better. There are only a few of those guy's who really make it bad for others when they post stuff with the sole intentions of starting a heated thread. They seem to know what buttons to push and how to get guy's to react. Usually, it's the ones who throw one liner's that pretty much repeat the same things over and over again about a flaw in any EA game.

They won't add anything to a thread but negativity but now I realize that if you don't reply to them soon enough they'll go away until the next game is released. So, it was silly of me to even participate in those kinds of threads and I can assure you that I will not fall into that trap again because it's a waiste of time considering I'd much rather talk to guy's who are intererested in making gameplay better not blasting it every oppurtunity they get.

Great post!
And I agree these forums are getting way out of hand and not serving the purpose I think they were intended for. IMHO!

[NovaStar]

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It's become the "it" thing to become a 2k fanboy.

Or it could the out thing to become a ea sheep.

[EWRMETS]

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Hi,

I am a hard core sim fan. I was an EA fan boy since their beginnig. I switched to 2k because I played a game with a friend. I still enjoy a lot of other EA titles (madden, nhl) and I've not tried their counterpart on 2k yet. I am mostly a Bball fan.

The reason I think why I am treating Live like the yankees, is because I was brainwashed by EA. (congrats to them for good marketing) I really think 2K is a LOT better than Live (sorry but it's my opinion) and it drives me mad when I see my friends saying Live is the best (like i was doing) because of all the marketing and not the actual game.

What EA is doing is they put so much effort on a marketing that you end up paying a lot for the marketing and not much for the actual game. It's like if i was buying a T-shirt with a no-name brand doing not much pub but good quality and I compare it to a nike T-shirt average quality. That's truly how i feel about Live and EA. I am studying marketing and I find they are GREAT in that department... but as a gamer it makes me mad! Giving a dunk contest and flashy moves just is not what I look for in a bball sim.. but they make me believe it is...

Same for Madden.. as a business WOW nice move to get the liscence of NFL rights, they should have done it. As a gamer I'm sick about it.. game will not improve as much and no other choice..

..if that makes any sense.


that's why I treat them like the Yankees.

I have 2k basketball and love it, but I don't think EA marketing NBA Live has anything to do with the creation of the game. They are seperate departments of EA.

[KBomber]

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I think that the Yankees comparison is, actually, not a bad one. Does EA make good games? Sure they do, I think anyone who says that EA makes a low end product is fooling themselves and I believe tha EA does make product that is above average. That's similar to the Yankees who always field an above average team.

Also similar to the Yankees is the fact that EA throws a lot of money out there in marketing and is very in your face with their approach to getting their games in market. While I'm not a big fan of having some wee-wee in a games store try to channel me into a buy, I know that consumers who are looking and aren't as sure as to what game they really want probably are succeptable to that type of marketing effort, so good for them in drumming up business

But, to me, there are also other things in play that work to limit the appreciation of EA from a gamers perspective. In recent years EA has become very aggressive in trying to secure exclusive contracts with the various sports leagues.

Many people talk about how the NFL started that process, but from my understanding, that bid process only began after EA had made an attempt to capture brand exclusivity during the development process of the 2005 football games. That only changed when some of the other developers got wind of the back door deal that EA was trying to make to cut their competition out of the equation. From there, the NFL did put their license up for bid and the rest is history. If you want a licensed game, you have to play with EA -- there is no other choice for NFL fans

That concept is one that EA has pursued with various other leagues, not only in football, but they have also approached the NHL and NBA with similar deals. Of those two, the NHL is apparently leaning towards an exclusive agreement and the NBA, at this point, seems to see the value in having multiple suppliers

Beyond this EA has also been in the business of taking over game development studios and repurposing those assets into the development of games like AFL Football, which will take the Madden engine and port it to an Arena setting. This is great, but it doesn't help to push the genre of games if EA is only interested in line extension of an existing engine. Because all of those football properties are inter-related, there is no push to try anything new, because that would have an detrimental impact across the board

What EA does for their business purposes makes great sense, and if you are a fan of wall street, you love their initiative. But if you are a fan of sports gaming, you should hate what they are doing with a passion. If you are a gaming enthusiast interested in seeing the genre of sports games grow and mature into more innovative and creative properties, you want competition for your dollar. You want more companies developing and getting their ideas and renderings of the sports you love out there. It's that kind of competition that has made the basketball games that we play so good. It is that kind of competition that began to push football into another realm of realism. It is that kind of competition that we don't want to see lost to exclusivity

Why does EA want to corner the market? Well obviously profit is core to the pursuit, but if they corner all of the licensed product, it also, conceiveably makes their job easier in gaining profit. Sports gamers have evolved into an interesting breed. Years ago, licenses were not a core part of enjoying a sports game. Today, the thought of playing a sports game without license seems almost inconceivable and completely unpalatable to gamers.

EA knows this. They understand and they are betting that if you have the option of buying a licensed game or an unlicensed game, you are going to grab the one that says NBA, NHL, NFL or MLB everytime. If that's the case, then they know that if they own the licenses, the amount of work that they need to do each year to innovate on a title becomes reduced. They'll need to extend less effort to get your dollars, thereby enhancing profitability. This is great business, but it makes for poor art and if you don't think that videogames are an art form, then you are really fooling yourself. Every game is an interpretation. We want lots of those to marry to our impressions of what a game should be about. I skew closer to the sim side. People that I know skew closer to the arcade. Both of us love our games. Life is good

Think of it this way. I'm sure that no one would want McDonald's to hold the license on all food. I love a Big Mac, but I also like to hit the Greek place down the road, or drop in on the Mandarin for the buffet. Choice and variety are the spice of life

Above all else, I think that we have a right as a public to expect more from EA as a developer. I have personally supported EA product through to the early 90's. I personally have donated hundreds to their coffers. But when it comes time to see innovation in their games, I will argue that EA has always done the bare minimum in development, prefering instead to ride existing properties full out to the end of their life cycle. Before Live 2004, the Live franchise was abysmal. When NFL Gameday went polygonal they smoked Madden as a series for a couple of years before EA finally got around to change. Games like Madden in this generation have never capitalized on the power of technologies like the Xbox. Even on the PS2 side, EA titles haven't been those that have pushed the limits.

As a company EA tends to respond to market pressures, but doesn't seem to drive innovation internally for the most part. As a consumer who has demonstrated my faith in their product with hard-earned dollars, that is a disappointement to me, so I tend to look for companies who are actively trying to win my dollars through innovation. Those are the companies that are showing me that they want my business. They are out there trying something new, trying to make a difference

IN 2003, VC shipped NBA 2k4. It was a game that was incomplete. Playing the game I knew where VC was trying to get to. Even as half a game, I found it exceeded Live 2004. You know what, I cut VC a lot of slack on NBA 2k4 as a lot of gamers were jumping ship and saying what garbage the game was. Could it have been better? Sure it could have, but in all the years that VC was getting games out there, NBA 2K4 was maybe the first that had big issues. How did VC repay me, the very next year they gave me NBA 2k5 and College Hoops 2k5, both of which were great games. You know what, I can live with that as a company who is trying to do the right thing for me as a gamer. For me, that's like rooting for the home team.

You can appreciate what the Yankees or Red Sox have done over the long haul, but I sure do love it when the Blue Jays walk into Fenway or the Stadium and spank them in September

You could say that I also enjoyed watching the Sox squirm last night in Fenway -- maybe I have a dark side

Have fun..............

[Leahmic223]

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Kbomber....that...was...great.

Great writing man.

Also, I officially have both games and have had time to give each a day...IMO 2k6 is better. Last year I thought Live was better, but 2k6 has to be one of the greates basketball games I have EVER played.