I'm through with this game....

[WTF]

Well, although this thread isn't what you think, my run with Live 360 has came to a close for this year. A few of you have probably read, I recently bought 2K6 360 again for the 360, to give me some variety. Well, long story short, we had a family get together at my house, and two of my smaller cousins were rough housing in my room, and stepped on my Live Case, and broke the disc.

If I wouldn't have recently repurchased 2K6, I wouldn't mind buying this again, as I have been having some excellent games due to PM's sliders/edits, and for that, I want to say thanks to you brother. However, I've already spent $95 on this game (bought it 3 times), and don't feel like spending another $35 on it again. Especially when the new one will be out in a matter of months.

My nephew offered to sell me his (it's on eBay right now, lol), however, like I said, I can't afford to spend that much on it again. Yes, it sucks... big time. But, my run with it was great. Had some excellent late night games, helped me through a few sleepless nights, lol.

So I guess, I just wanted to say thanks to you Playmakers, for turning a proverbial turd, into a great basketball title. Your hard work was most appreciated brother .

[Playmakers]

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Thanks man.

That must really suck to have someone crush the game by walking on it. That's why I keep all my games in a small safe because I don't want to have to somebody.

But keep on the lookout for my modified ratings later maybe you can rent the game one weekend and give it a test try after I'm done.

[JVG]

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That sucks big time, man. By the the way, is that a pic of Lebron James from Live 360? Cause it looks very realistic.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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That sucks big time, man. By the the way, is that a pic of Lebron James from Live 360? Cause it looks very realistic.

NO thats a pic of Lebron from NBA2k6

[WTF]

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Yeah, like FF said, that is of Lebron on 2K6 on a standard def tv....

PM, why'd you have to go and tell me that? I didn't know that you were making more changes... maybe over this summer I can find it for around $20, then I'll pick it up. It was a great game of hoops, and I hate to see my stint come to an end with it.

Who knows, if I still can't get into 2K again, I may end up repurchasing anyway, lol. I'll still try to help ya'll answer questions about the game though

[Pared]

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Wow, you were one of the few that really stuck around with this game.

The future can only be brighter.

[WTF]

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Yeah, and the games were only getting better, as I tweaked the sliders a little more, and bumped the gameplay to SuperStar... thats part of the reason I am so bummed about it right now. But I guess if 2K doesn't bode well with me, then I can always sell it and put that money towards Live again. What is the most annoying, is that for the next 3-4 days I'll be basketball game-less because my 2K hasn't showed up in the mail just yet either.

This is an excellent basketball title if you do quite a few edits, which you shouldn't have to do, but oh well.

[Admiral50]

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Title is a bit misleading in terms of what you actually wrote but I just can't believe people enjoyed this and actually thought it was fun in any sense and even moreso, spent so much time trying to get it better.

Myself, after playing for nearly a month now... well it deserves the low scores and pretty much all the ways that the reviews ripped it apart.

The frame rate is disgraceful for such a powerful console, running slow in the first place but also stuttering throughout the game, especially when trying to release jumpshots. That's almost unplayable in that aspect.

And possibly to do with that frame rate problem, or maybe just a new problem created on this updated engine (yes update, there's no way it's totally new as EA said because 90% of 'Live ball' still exists) but the control response is slow. Much slower than the smooth, fast playing 06 on PC or regular Xbox. There's a delay between when you press a button or do a move with the right stick and when you actually see the player react on the screen.

There's a number of other obvious and well covered bugs and omissions too which together with those I just mentioned really makes it difficult to understand how anyone can seriously think they are playing even a decent game of videogame basketball.

[Playmakers]

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Title is a bit misleading in terms of what you actually wrote but I just can't believe people enjoyed this and actually thought it was fun in any sense and even moreso, spent so much time trying to get it better.

Myself, after playing for nearly a month now... well it deserves the low scores and pretty much all the ways that the reviews ripped it apart.

The frame rate is disgraceful for such a powerful console, running slow in the first place but also stuttering throughout the game, especially when trying to release jumpshots. That's almost unplayable in that aspect.

And possibly to do with that frame rate problem, or maybe just a new problem created on this updated engine (yes update, there's no way it's totally new as EA said because 90% of 'Live ball' still exists) but the control response is slow. Much slower than the smooth, fast playing 06 on PC or regular Xbox. There's a delay between when you press a button or do a move with the right stick and when you actually see the player react on the screen.

There's a number of other obvious and well covered bugs and omissions too which together with those I just mentioned really makes it difficult to understand how anyone can seriously think they are playing even a decent game of videogame basketball.

Are you speaking for everyone or just yourself?

I'm just curious because we are all different and therefor what some might consider good or bad someoen else may have a difference in opinion.

For example I might like Madden 06 more than the next guy does but that doesn't mean if the next guy considers the game bad his opinion is held to a lesser standard than my own?

I'm not hear to tell any guy if they are right or wrong about their opinion on any game. I just play the games myself and if a game is worth time and effort by doing other thins to improve it then most likely I'll go a liitle extra to get more out of it to my satisfaction. IMO Live needs plenty of tweaks in order for it to play solid basketball. I've enjoyed it after many tweaks of my own but that doesn't mean 10 other guy's will enjoy it using the same tweaks.

[WTF]

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Title is a bit misleading in terms of what you actually wrote but I just can't believe people enjoyed this and actually thought it was fun in any sense and even moreso, spent so much time trying to get it better.

Myself, after playing for nearly a month now... well it deserves the low scores and pretty much all the ways that the reviews ripped it apart.

The frame rate is disgraceful for such a powerful console, running slow in the first place but also stuttering throughout the game, especially when trying to release jumpshots. That's almost unplayable in that aspect.

And possibly to do with that frame rate problem, or maybe just a new problem created on this updated engine (yes update, there's no way it's totally new as EA said because 90% of 'Live ball' still exists) but the control response is slow. Much slower than the smooth, fast playing 06 on PC or regular Xbox. There's a delay between when you press a button or do a move with the right stick and when you actually see the player react on the screen.

There's a number of other obvious and well covered bugs and omissions too which together with those I just mentioned really makes it difficult to understand how anyone can seriously think they are playing even a decent game of videogame basketball.

Exactly. Everyone has their own opinion of basketball Admiral. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that no one else should. After PM's hard work, and some hours of my own time tweaking to my liking, this game played an excellent "unscripted" game of basketball.

Now, I don't know what your deal is with the framerate, but personally, I haven't seen any framerate issues other than on rare occurences. For the most part, this game plays without any hiccups for me. The slow gameplay has been remedied by PM's edits, and turning the speed up.

Of course on default sliders and settings, this game deserved low scores. I'll be the first to admit that. But to say that you find it hard to believe that anyone can seriously think that we are playing a decent game of videogame basketball? After the many hours tweaking, it plays a great game of basketball.

And slow response time? I don't know where that comes from either. I've never had problems shooting, or anything due to response time. It feels pretty spot on to me.

In your opinion, this game is not good. However, it is YOUR opinion. In my opinion, and some of the fellas who have spent a great deal of time with the game, we feel that it is most definately a good game of basketball.

[Admiral50]

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My post, my opinion

Are you guys playing in HD? I am, maybe that's where the hiccups come from. But, to say you can't notice that the game runs at a constant 20 frames per second, compared to something like NBA 2K that is pure silk at 60 is a little strange. Especially given most reviews can see the stutters and slow frame rate (not to be confused with the overall slower pace of the game).

And while I did what you guys did, in changing the speed, ratings and sliders in order to try to make the game better and make the money I spent worthwhile, it just doesn't help this game. Of course it's personal opinion, but EA deserved the 5's and 6's out of 10 for this game and deserved to be publicly ripped like they were.

It's the...(can't think of a word better than 'stupid', even though it will be insulting) fans that do these things and actually think it's become a good game that will make EA continue to be the lazy, money grabbing company they are, rather than accepting the kick in the butt they got in the reviews and using that as a wake up call to finally improve the quality in their productions.

EA Sports - minimum effort, maximum profit.

(And no I am no longer a die hard 2K fan. I just don't like the turn that game took since 2K3 and as funny as it is to say, prefer Live on 360 to 2K6...)

[Playmakers]

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My post, my opinion

Are you guys playing in HD? I am, maybe that's where the hiccups come from. But, to say you can't notice that the game runs at a constant 20 frames per second, compared to something like NBA 2K that is pure silk at 60 is a little strange. Especially given most reviews can see the stutters and slow frame rate (not to be confused with the overall slower pace of the game).

And while I did what you guys did, in changing the speed, ratings and sliders in order to try to make the game better and make the money I spent worthwhile, it just doesn't help this game. Of course it's personal opinion, but EA deserved the 5's and 6's out of 10 for this game and deserved to be publicly ripped like they were.

It's the...(can't think of a word better than 'stupid', even though it will be insulting) fans that do these things and actually think it's become a good game that will make EA continue to be the lazy, money grabbing company they are, rather than accepting the kick in the butt they got in the reviews and using that as a wake up call to finally improve the quality in their productions.

EA Sports - minimum effort, maximum profit.

(And no I am no longer a die hard 2K fan. I just don't like the turn that game took since 2K3 and as funny as it is to say, prefer Live on 360 to 2K6...)

Hey Admiral I can respect your opinion. Atleast you provided a solid debate as to why you don't enjoy the game. Most guy's would normally say it sucks without trying to tweak it to the same extent they would for games like MVP, NFL 2K5, Madden 06 or even NBA 2K6.

IMO all these games after a certain amount of time with them need to be further tweaked and edited in order for the game to play the way most of us feel a football, basketball or baseball game should play on the field or courts.

I have always stated that EA really rushed this game out the door and right out the box I would give it a low score aswell. I'm a basketball junkie so that's why I put in more time tweaking NBA Live than any other sports game. I've found a comfort level with the game after many hours of re-rating players. It's still not perfect but IMO it's better than the product EA shipped to us out the box.

The ratings are basically what makes the players do things that they shouldn't on the court. The game needs sliders and playbooks aswell but the ratings are the biggest problem with overall gameplay. I plan on doing even further adjustments to the player ratings because I believe that is the key to getting the game to respond to what many of us look for in a video basketball game. We shouldn't have to go through these troubles but hey I'm usually not the type of guy that sits around and pounts about something a developer screwed up on because that doesn't solve the problem anyway. So, I just look for alternate solutions on my own to improve the game based on what I like to see happening.

[thenbagamer]

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Yeah, like FF said, that is of Lebron on 2K6 on a standard def tv....

Holy ****. that makes me wanna get 360

[WTF]

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As well you should, lol.

And Admiral... I agree with what you are saying. It's by no means a perfect basketball game, but it'll more than suffice for me this year. Well, it would have, lol.

And yeah, I am playing on a 32" LG LCD HDTV, and don't have the stuttering issues for some reason. And the response time is just fine to me too. Maybe I've just grown use to it. I don't know. I guess when 2K gets here, I'll find out.

But I agree with your post. Don't think I'm trying to debate, but I think that Live does play a good game of basketball after PM's hard work.

[Court_vision]

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Reality is neither NBA game was that great...again.

LIVE shows a tonne of promise and could really be amazing by 2K7 for the 360.

Add in off ball movement, get rebounding right...more animations...and they'd be 'there'.

How long have we been saying that though about EA?

Honestly, I won't be surprised if LIVE 2007 has turbo dunks from the 3 point line and no fast breaks...

There's always something left out...and who can tell with them.

LIVE 2003 had insane fast breaking and no D...

So they come back in 2004 with no fast breaking and no mid range game...

And come back in 2005 with no offensive rebounding at all...

You just never know. The only certainty seems to be that *something* will be broken / left out.

Hopefully LIVE 2007 is the year they finally put it all together. I won't be holding my breath though