They Keeping this Game Low...

[MicSoloist]

2k7 = tons of videos, ign insider hd, interviews galore, steve getting a copy really earlym early ign video and text reviews, etc.

live 2007 = very few early vids, some screens, a few interviews, ???

weird. im sold on 2k7 w/o a doubt but i REALLY hope live is great too. i for one can handle two dope bball games.

[knicks0820]

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I dont expect it to be as deep or as "sim" as 2k
I do expect it to be fun and oozing with atmosphere and killer graphics.

I will buy both games and enjoy both for different reasons.

hell ,all star weekend will be a great side game.

[MicSoloist]

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true... im just afraid to buy live on the ship date due to the fact it was pure horrible last year...

[Latrell24]

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I dont expect it to be as deep or as "sim" as 2k
I do expect it to be fun and oozing with atmosphere and killer graphics.

I will buy both games and enjoy both for different reasons.

hell ,all star weekend will be a great side game.

No game is a sim because then it wouldn't be a game. Sim is the most overated word used to describe games. If it was SIM it wouldn't need any adjustments to gameplay what so ever. Once you realize scoring is too easy for you in any game then you know it isn't a SIM.

[Vince]

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The only sports game that's close to sim is Winning Eleven.

But yeah, Latrell makes a great point.

[TD21SA]

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2k7 = tons of videos, ign insider hd, interviews galore, steve getting a copy really earlym early ign video and text reviews, etc.

live 2007 = very few early vids, some screens, a few interviews, ???

weird. im sold on 2k7 w/o a doubt but i REALLY hope live is great too. i for one can handle two dope bball games.

Even Madden had a lot more videos of gameplay this really surprises me. I'm a graphics whore so needless to say Live is very appealing. Iknow 2k7 plays well and I will get it, but I bought live 06 last year based soley on the graphics from gameplay videos. I just dont want the same game with added depth, i want a new feel for the game.

[CaptainZombie]

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Not much has been mentioned about LIVE. I wish EA would have released a demo by now even if the game doesn't compare to 2K7 quality gameplay wise, just release something so we can get a taste.

[Graphik]

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No game is a sim because then it wouldn't be a game. Sim is the most overated word used to describe games. If it was SIM it wouldn't need any adjustments to gameplay what so ever. Once you realize scoring is too easy for you in any game then you know it isn't a SIM.

I disagree, its all in the way you, the user plays the game. The word simulation means "imitation and superficial resemblence" and if you apply that to sports games, what you have a program meant to resemble the actual sport its trying to potray. Hence, you can describe most sport games as "sims".

Live and 2K are both meant to be sims but the major diffrence comes in the programming of each title. 1 game is usually more complex than the other and complexity can bring forth flexibilty so that the game can better capture the nuances of the sport its representing. Complexity can also create bugs and flaws but thats a entirely diffrent topic altogether.

These games are meant to be tweaked out the box because developers dont really have the time to adjust many of the games variables to completely resemble the actual sport. Luckily for us, the give us the programming tools to adjust it to our liking or to what one thinks is realistic via sliders. Best addition to sports games since the franchise or dynasty IMO. Unfortunately, sometimes the sliders dont work or the parameters are skewed to the point that any adjustment from the originally hardcoded paramenters are barely noticable.

As for one having mastered the game to the point where they are unbeatable....realism is often sacrificed in order for the user to have a fair shot at beating the AI. Nobody here plays NBA ball, nobody knows the tricks of the trade at beating an NBA team so if these games AI were created with an advantage based on research from players, coaches and analyst, we would never win. The AI would be so intracate that only the elite few who know the game inside and out would have a shot at winning. Nobody wants to play a game if you need charts, film analysis and a actual coaching staff to win.(Actually, I would'nt mind) But hopefully you get the point.



Now if you would all excuse me, I will step off my soapbox and exit stage left.

[Graphik]

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Not much has been mentioned about LIVE. I wish EA would have released a demo by now even if the game doesn't compare to 2K7 quality gameplay wise, just release something so we can get a taste.

This just means they dont have faith in their game to compete with 2K7. So their means at beating them as usual is by having a better marketing campaign.

[CaptainZombie]

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This just means they dont have faith in their game to compete with 2K7. So their means at beating them as usual is by having a better marketing campaign.

Also, I think that this game will score low on IGN. I say that do to one of the comments that the reviewer made how buggy the 360 version of LIVE is.

[Playmakers]

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I disagree, its all in the way you, the user plays the game. The word simulation means "imitation and superficial resemblence" and if you apply that to sports games, what you have a program meant to resemble the actual sport its trying to potray. Hence, you can describe most sport games as "sims".

Live and 2K are both meant to be sims but the major diffrence comes in the programming of each title. 1 game is usually more complex than the other and complexity can bring forth flexibilty so that the game can better capture the nuances of the sport its representing. Complexity can also create bugs and flaws but thats a entirely diffrent topic altogether.

These games are meant to be tweaked out the box because developers dont really have the time to adjust many of the games variables to completely resemble the actual sport. Luckily for us, the give us the programming tools to adjust it to our liking or to what one thinks is realistic via sliders. Best addition to sports games since the franchise or dynasty IMO. Unfortunately, sometimes the sliders dont work or the parameters are skewed to the point that any adjustment from the originally hardcoded paramenters are barely noticable.

As for one having mastered the game to the point where they are unbeatable....realism is often sacrificed in order for the user to have a fair shot at beating the AI. Nobody here plays NBA ball, nobody knows the tricks of the trade at beating an NBA team so if these games AI were created with an advantage based on research from players, coaches and analyst, we would never win. The AI would be so intracate that only the elite few who know the game inside and out would have a shot at winning. Nobody wants to play a game if you need charts, film analysis and a actual coaching staff to win.(Actually, I would'nt mind) But hopefully you get the point.



Now if you would all excuse me, I will step off my soapbox and exit stage left.

CPU vs CPU games can be a SIM......but once a human player picks up the controller for any video game it is no longer a SIM.

If you can dominate the CPU on any game at it's default settings then it's not a SIM. I agree with the guy aswell that SIM is overated in sports games. There is not one game Live, NBA 2K, NHL 07, NCAA 07 or MLB 06 that I haven't been able to do what I want vs the CPU's AI on the DEFAULT settings. Even Kobe Bryant as great as he is can't score 50+ points every game. In both video basketball games at DEFAULT settings I can score 50+ points with one guy every game.

I do understand that the way a human player plays these games also has a great effect but if you can score 50+ points with one guy why should anyone not do it just because the CPU AI can't stop you. I don't see Kobe or LBJ saying ok I'm going to play conservative because they can't stop me. Until I see a video game that poses a threat to me at DEFAULT settings without be having to play less aggressive just so that I don't dominate the games then I'll call it a SIM. Until then SIM is a word that even I overate at times. I think the proper statement is SIMI-SIM. You can get games to play SIMI-SIM or have some SIM aspects in the game once you modify stuff but right out the box I haven't seen a SIM game since I've been playing sports games.

The closest game I've found was probably High Heat baseball for the PC version.

[jtdribbles25]

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as much as I respect the slider guru, I disagree....sim is only the false recreation of something. Anything., how far it is taken is totally perspective driven. sports games and sim is definitely overated as a term. But again it's personal perspective. sure some games are more geared towards recreating in the most statistical way possible, or presentation or whatever. but it's still all how the end user sees things. having a home theatre is what you make it, not that you actually have a theatre. but recreating the atmosphere, or sound or whatever it is to the end user. My plasma and couch and receiver make me feel the theatre experience. however you may have a dedicated theatre with 200" screen and theatre chairs. But I guess that is technically a better simulation of a theatre than mine....perspective.

[Pared]

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The only sports game that's close to sim is Winning Eleven.

But yeah, Latrell makes a great point.

That is no longer the case my friend... with MLB '06 from Sony... and NBA 2k7...

[Pared]

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as much as I respect the slider guru, I disagree....sim is only the false recreation of something. Anything., how far it is taken is totally perspective driven. sports games and sim is definitely overated as a term. But again it's personal perspective. sure some games are more geared towards recreating in the most statistical way possible, or presentation or whatever. but it's still all how the end user sees things. having a home theatre is what you make it, not that you actually have a theatre. but recreating the atmosphere, or sound or whatever it is to the end user. My plasma and couch and receiver make me feel the theatre experience. however you may have a dedicated theatre with 200" screen and theatre chairs. But I guess that is technically a better simulation of a theatre than mine....perspective.

Well put.

[JOEdellis]

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EA is scared