About the 1up and Gamespot Reviews...

[talbain]

well, i don't know what to tell you about these reviews other than to play the game yourself. i have as of today played live and 2k7 (full version, not the demo) pretty much side by side in my normal gameplay environment, and to me live is clearly the better game on just about every level.

i don't know how everyone is coming up with the "2k7 plays better" stuff. if i miss another point blank layup in 2k7 i'll kill someone. it's pretty much the exact same game i played TWO YEARS ago (2k5). the graphics are horrible, the situational AI is suspect to say the least and as usual visual concepts has sprinkled their game with a generous helping of good old fashioned bugs (weird graphical glitches abound, and scrambling on the ground for a loose ball is a hoot).

after playing live 07, i didn't think a fantasy draft could be designed and implemented any worse. that is, until i played 2k7. utterly horrible. as far as i can tell, there's not even any way to change the draft order...

those reviewers don't know what the hell they're talking about either. the 1 up review is just wrong from the getgo. the physics are actually the best i've seen from a sports game ever and REALLY take some getting used to when starting out. players actually feel like they have weight to then, so they can't stop on a dime. maybe the reviewer is just used to the ice skating everyone's been complaining about for years.

as for the gamespot review, it's better, but there are still some suspect comments. live has separated the dunk/layup buttons for years. it's not a new feature. his complaints regarding them are stupid. if you're trying to dunk when you have no business doing so then there needs to be a risk/reward factor to deal with. as for figuring out where you're able to dunk from, i'm sorry, i guess the developers expect you to know a thing or two about basketball. jeez...

the hop step works flawlessly and takes momentum into account. i don't know what the hell he was complaining about there, and performing a layup on the same button has not once in about 15 games caused me to do a hop step instead. hop step is a quick tap, layup is a hold, and it's no more difficult than that...

[shortness]

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guys who already played the game complained about the dribbling, ball physics, the high rainbow arc shots, the slow mo running down court, etc etc etc WAY before these reviews came out.

If anything, these reviews just reaffirms what everyone is saying. Heck, i was reading at the easports website forum and they got mods who said get 2k7 its better.

Then again, some people like the arcadey slam dunk contest stuff that live offers, and i guess EA is trying to please that crowd, but those EA fans 15 years ago who have grown up with them have gotten older, and maybe, just maybe, they are looking for a more simulated version of basketball.

[JOEdellis]

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Its all a matter of opinion do, but clearly you're opinion is the minority.

[Flightwhite24]

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well, i don't know what to tell you about these reviews other than to play the game yourself. i have as of today played live and 2k7 (full version, not the demo) pretty much side by side in my normal gameplay environment, and to me live is clearly the better game on just about every level.

i don't know how everyone is coming up with the "2k7 plays better" stuff. if i miss another point blank layup in 2k7 i'll kill someone. it's pretty much the exact same game i played TWO YEARS ago (2k5). the graphics are horrible, the situational AI is suspect to say the least and as usual visual concepts has sprinkled their game with a generous helping of good old fashioned bugs (weird graphical glitches abound, and scrambling on the ground for a loose ball is a hoot).

after playing live 07, i didn't think a fantasy draft could be designed and implemented any worse. that is, until i played 2k7. utterly horrible. as far as i can tell, there's not even any way to change the draft order...

those reviewers don't know what the hell they're talking about either. the 1 up review is just wrong from the getgo. the physics are actually the best i've seen from a sports game ever and REALLY take some getting used to when starting out. players actually feel like they have weight to then, so they can't stop on a dime. maybe the reviewer is just used to the ice skating everyone's been complaining about for years.

as for the gamespot review, it's better, but there are still some suspect comments. live has separated the dunk/layup buttons for years. it's not a new feature. his complaints regarding them are stupid. if you're trying to dunk when you have no business doing so then there needs to be a risk/reward factor to deal with. as for figuring out where you're able to dunk from, i'm sorry, i guess the developers expect you to know a thing or two about basketball. jeez...

the hop step works flawlessly and takes momentum into account. i don't know what the hell he was complaining about there, and performing a layup on the same button has not once in about 15 games caused me to do a hop step instead. hop step is a quick tap, layup is a hold, and it's no more difficult than that...

My personal belief is that you have to get used to it to understand the game. First time out the game is really not that easy to play. After getting used to the momentum, passes that can and cannot be made with accuracy, different player moves, I've come to the conclusion that this game is nice, real nice. Give it some time to understand what's going on and try to not shoot it down because 2K7 is stuck on your mind and you will hopefully see what this game has to offer.
Why can't we all just enjoy the fact that we have 2 games to choose from. Let's enjoy it whether it be Live 07 or 2K7. Bashing or trying to make the other game crap in someones mind is crazy, if you like the game, play it and enjoy it, if not, don't play it and go with the other, all this other bs is crazy. Enjoy 2K7 or Live 07 that's all I care about. PEACE!!!! By the way this was not directed by the above poster

[fiedler2k3]

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Its all a matter of opinion do, but clearly you're opinion is the minority.

Count me on the minority, to me 2K7 went backward this year, 2K6 looks better than 2K7, they try to copy the Live's players models (just to mention 1 thing only) and screw up, it is unrespectfully to claim that 2K7 is a NG Game, those reviews are weird to me, of course, you are reading the review at the same time they show you a 2K7 ad. I do not believe in any Review, Im not a 2K or EA fan, but Live is the better BB game this year, 2K is same old.

[Pratt75]

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I agree with Jsywalker about having to get used to the way live plays. I have both games also and have been having fun with both of them. Just play whatever you want, have fun and quit hatin.

[Flightwhite24]

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I agree with Jsywalker about having to get used to the way live plays. I have both games also and have been having fun with both of them. Just play whatever you want, have fun and quit hatin.

Now I'm hatin, It's Jskywalker , not Jsywalker Just kidding man, at least someone agrees with me, with PM's new slider set my stats are just about dead on loving the game man, gonna play some 2K7 in a minute so I can enjoy that a little bit as well. PEACE!!!!

[Thrash13]

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Anyone who thinks Live is a dunk fest needs to play the game and adjust the sliders. I've played numerous games and there were dunks. That's just part of the game people. However, I probably average 4 or 5 dunks a game, and the CPU probably averages about the same. In fact, the CPU has gotten their fair share of points by posting up or using the mid-range jumpers. Chris Bosh wore me out down low with his turn around, and he is a madman on the boards.

I've been using Playmakers sliders today, and the game feels completely different than it did out of the box. People are so quick to judge a game before diving into it and actually readjusting things. That's why sliders are there people!

I haven't played 2k yet, so I'm not even going to speak for it, and I'm not going to say Live is better. That would be hypocritical. I'm just saying some of you are so close-minded that you can make your opinions on a game by playing the default version instead of getting off your lazy *** and tweaking it a bit.

It took me 20 minutes to set the sliders, and the game is a great game now. It's not that hard.

[goh]

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I call shenanigans on both of them. It's fine if they don't think it's as good as 2K BUT all the new features and a camera that's actually playable are only worth a 0.1 increase in score to Gamespot? 1up gives it 2.5 LESS than last year? The **** is that?

[ZeeAyKay]

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I call shenanigans on both of them. It's fine if they don't think it's as good as 2K BUT all the new features and a camera that's actually playable are only worth a 0.1 increase in score to Gamespot? 1up gives it 2.5 LESS than last year? The **** is that?

If each iteration is better than last year (which usually happens) you expect the score to go up every time? That's not how it works.

[blackceasar]

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I call shenanigans on both of them. It's fine if they don't think it's as good as 2K BUT all the new features and a camera that's actually playable are only worth a 0.1 increase in score to Gamespot? 1up gives it 2.5 LESS than last year? The **** is that?

I think they are starting to review the game the way i would I think I would do it. You go through this years game top to bottom.. THEN you start to grade them on how far they have come (or went backwards) compared to last years game. I think part of the hard score is they are starting to put the "you have NO excuse EA" screw to them. Personally I like the game..I think its better than last years. I prefer 2k7 but if there were no 2k7 I could get by with this years Live to a degree. I think some reviewers are trying to put EA on notice..and i dont know why people are getting mad about the bad review..if EA takes notice of it...its a GOOD thing for us gamers. Personally id give live an 8/10 they get a point deduction for the herky jerky stuff and the super dunks everytime someone who can dunk is 5 feet from the bucket...and the loose another points for making the game boring from a presentation standpoint when you are about 3-4 years into your dynasty (there are no generated faces for new players coming into the leauge, its just a blank silouhette which is something 2k fixed a LONG time ago, and there is no speech recorded for thier names) so 10 years into your dynasty, the game looses a chunk of its flavor. it becomes a bunch of dudes with no faces and all t he commentary will refer to thier number and not thier name...it starts to loose its personality.

[Leahmic223]

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They judge the game by itself.

When playing Madden 07 they don't judge it based off of Madden 06, but if it plays the same as last year and hasn't improved then it seems that way.

A lot of sites do this for every game. When they play Halo 2 they don't judge it and say "Is it better than Halo? If so it has to get a higher score then it."

Same thing. I think Either IGN or Gamespot gave 2k6 a higher rating than 2k7. The old school 2k games scored in the 9s though, so each game is given a individual score.

[Leahmic223]

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I think they are starting to review the game the way i would I think I would do it. You go through this years game top to bottom.. THEN you start to grade them on how far they have come (or went backwards) compared to last years game. I think part of the hard score is they are starting to put the "you have NO excuse EA" screw to them. Personally I like the game..I think its better than last years. I prefer 2k7 but if there were no 2k7 I could get by with this years Live to a degree. I think some reviewers are trying to put EA on notice..and i dont know why people are getting mad about the bad review..if EA takes notice of it...its a GOOD thing for us gamers. Personally id give live an 8/10 they get a point deduction for the herky jerky stuff and the super dunks everytime someone who can dunk is 5 feet from the bucket...and the loose another points for making the game boring from a presentation standpoint when you are about 3-4 years into your dynasty (there are no generated faces for new players coming into the leauge, its just a blank silouhette which is something 2k fixed a LONG time ago, and there is no speech recorded for thier names) so 10 years into your dynasty, the game looses a chunk of its flavor. it becomes a bunch of dudes with no faces and all t he commentary will refer to thier number and not thier name...it starts to loose its personality.

You are right about the EA taking notice. Because a lot of their improvements seem to come to please the game sites moreso than the fanbase. It isn't a bad approach, but I think it is good that Madden and Live got lower scores than expected from a EAsports game, it can only mean motivation and no developer wants to have bad review scores. No matter how much we may think there opinions don't matter, it matters to a lot of people. Just like any other critics in any other industry, their opinion does have weight.

[blackceasar]

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They judge the game by itself.

When playing Madden 07 they don't judge it based off of Madden 06, but if it plays the same as last year and hasn't improved then it seems that way.

A lot of sites do this for every game. When they play Halo 2 they don't judge it and say "Is it better than Halo? If so it has to get a higher score then it."

Same thing. I think Either IGN or Gamespot gave 2k6 a higher rating than 2k7. The old school 2k games scored in the 9s though, so each game is given a individual score.

a few years ago I would believe you.. and I dont think they should look back at "last years" game for all game reviews. They didnt go back and compare Halo 2 to Halo 1 because the content in the game was different..and to be honest the creator didnt have a track record of putting out an "updated" game and slapping a "2" or "07" sticker on it. EA has had a known track record for putting a game out, then over the next 3-5 years making about 1% innovation between the new one and the year before and I think thats whats happening now..they are getting penalized for it. IMO shoud they just review the game and let it stand alone? Yes.. BUT.. any time they put in thier reivew "EA comes out with more of the same, updated rosters and a new logo on the box" and then gives them a not so great of a score, I smile...heck I cheer..because they are saying "yes we are reviewing your NEW game..but buddy, your game really aint NEW, its almost last years" Also, to add to that... putting out a game thats missing stuff that we have come to EXPECT as a standard in that kind of game only to add part of it next year and slapping an 07 sticker on it (but still missing expected stuff) then the year after that, adding one more thing that should ahve been in the original, etc..up until the last game of its kind has everything that should ahve been in the first one is just sad.

Imagine this..imagine Live 06 with no dynasty or season mode and no fatigue (just using examples)..then Live 07 comes out and its now got season mode but still no fatigue and no dynasty mode..then Live 08 comes out and it has season mode and fatigue..then Live 09 comes out and its got all of that and finally dynasty mode , but we are now one year from the NEXT NEXT gen systems to come out. I think people are getting tired of having to wait until the last year of a system for EA to put out a sports game with everything that we have been expecting in these games for YEARS now.

[goh]

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Of course the score should go up. It didn't get any worse so it sure as hell shouldn't go down by 2.5.