Why does sig. style not matter????

[jtdribbles25]

I understand that a lot of people here seem to prefer the more simplistic, faster paced style of nba live. I also understand that some people prefer the graphic style as well. So having gotten that out the way, why is it that you guys don't care that the players themselves don't seem to have sig. shots not to mention styles/packages. And I know tony parker is dropping tear drops all over the place. Here's hoping many more players have that type of sig style. But with a few other marquee players in the demo, they don't seem to exhibit as much as a signature jumpshot....Just seems to be a regression in what everyone claims is a game that looks next gen.(whatever that means, but I keep hearing it here)

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

Who said sig. shots/styles don't matter???

That's one of the beauties of 2K. And, from what they say, they added tons more this year.

I'm pretty sure I know where you're trying to go with this thread, but I don't think it's going to work.

You say faster pace of Live whereas I feel it's the slower game.

Simplistic? As far as button combinations, yes.

The lack of sig shots in Live is a glaring weakness. But in the same breath, I saw Tony Parker do a left handed runner in 2K8. Where is the signature in that move?

2K kills Live in that department. I don't think there's an argument there.

[edubbs]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

Point well taken. The lack of signature styles/shots along with the horrible overall animtions in NBA Live08, are the main reasons why I will not be getting this game anytime soon.

When playing this Demo I 'feel' like I'm playing with a bunch of generic players. Lebron, Duncan, Z, Larry Highes etc. sig shots are totally WRONG. And the lack of signature animations versus the competition is almost laughable.

Everyone wants to talk about how great Live looks. However, this game does not give me the feel that I'm actually playing with NBA Players.

If the Demo is any indication, this series has a LONG way to go in regards to capturing the unique playing styles of NBA Players.

Whoever did their Mo-cap did a HORRIBLE job capturing the players styles/shots IMO because, they all seem to be totally off or non-existent all together.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

I think the only "sig" shots are the ones mo-capped for the players brought in. Ex., Arenas, Durant, the rookies. EDIT: And some "superstars"- Kobe, Nowitzki, etc.

That's just my guess. So in other words, pretty non-existant. You can see it...BADLY...in Finley's jumper.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

Who said sig. shots/styles don't matter???

That's one of the beauties of 2K. And, from what they say, they added tons more this year.

I'm pretty sure I know where you're trying to go with this thread, but I don't think it's going to work.

You say faster pace of Live whereas I feel it's the slower game.

Simplistic? As far as button combinations, yes.

The lack of sig shots in Live is a glaring weakness. But in the same breath, I saw Tony Parker do a left handed runner in 2K8. Where is the signature in that move?

2K kills Live in that department. I don't think there's an argument there.

I don't know what you mean by where Im trying to go with this. I was playing the demo, which I actually like, and can only imagine how the game would be if it were a little more "2k like" in this respect. I generally respect your opinions and input, so this is not at all pointed at any one. The reason I said faster pace of live, is because you have guys getting like 20 points in 4 minutes on this demo. Although the game speed is ok the pace of the game itself is just faster. I actually like that for pickup and play games. I just wonder why everyone here is giving live a pass for essentially being the game it should've been last year. I've seen a bunch of post regarding what it will be next year, and the direction it's heading. Again, Im not fanboying any game, I'd buy nba 08 if it were any good, as it is I'll rent it and reserve judgement.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

Point well taken. The lack of signature styles/shots along with the horrible overall animtions in NBA Live08, are the main reasons why I will not be getting this game anytime soon.

When playing this Demo I 'feel' like I'm playing with a bunch of generic players. Lebron, Duncan, Z, Larry Highes etc. sig shots are totally WRONG. And the lack of signature animations versus the competition is almost laughable.

Everyone wants to talk about how great Live looks. However, this game does not give me the feel that I'm actually playing with NBA Players.

If the Demo is any indication, this series has a LONG way to go in regards to capturing the unique playing styles of NBA Players.

Whoever did their Mo-cap did a HORRIBLE job capturing the players styles/shots IMO because, they all seem to be totally off or non-existent all together.

c/s this. I felt like I was playing live 04 or something because the players are somewhat generic, aside from appearance. I was actually playing 06 ps2, and at least the freestyle superstars thing led my imagination to separate the players by there actual on screen play.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

I think the only "sig" shots are the ones mo-capped for the players brought in. Ex., Arenas, Durant, the rookies. EDIT: And some "superstars"- Kobe, Nowitzki, etc.

That's just my guess. So in other words, pretty non-existant. You can see it...BADLY...in Finley's jumper.

so do you think this will only be in effect for the superstar "go to moves" or will there actual in game shots be mo-capped. The way I'm seeing it, kobe will probably have his shot and a go to move that is contextual, ?? for example...

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

so do you think this will only be in effect for the superstar "go to moves" or will there actual in game shots be mo-capped. The way I'm seeing it, kobe will probably have his shot and a go to move that is contextual, ?? for example...

From the way I saw it, only go-to moves for superstars.

Like, I don't think his jumper will be his sig jumper.

To your other question, Wishlist threads pop up 1-2 days after every release so people clamour for the next version of the title.

If you think Live or 2K will be any different, you're wrong.

Sorry man, but I have yet to play a perfect game.

But I have played alot of pleasing & enjoyable games. You gotta take it for what it's worth.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

^feeling you on the fact that theres probably not a perfect game. I definitely enjoy them for what they are. It just amuses me that on a site primarily based on whats "beyond" the casual gamer, how this game gets a pass primarily based on graphics.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

^feeling you on the fact that theres probably not a perfect game. I definitely enjoy them for what they are. It just amuses me that on a site primarily based on whats "beyond" the casual gamer, how this game gets a pass primarily based on graphics.

Does it amaze you in the same manner how you have a good 10 pages in the 2K8 demo impressions thread on how to pull off spin moves?

Your veiled shots should go both ways...that is, if you really "actually like" it as you claim you do.

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

definitely!!! Goes both ways. I question why the canned animations cannot be changed to something a lot more "freestyle" is the only way I can put it. I only asked the question out of honest thought inspired by playing the demo. Believe me, I have played the demo enough to warrant purchase. Im actually glad the games are so different because I'll get more out of them... I feel that a lot of the things that have been attacked on the 2k boards have gotten a lot more response from devs than live. And only want to spur discussion. Thanks for providing that. I don't believe that devs are lazy or any of that crap, I do believe sometimes that catering to the demographic is often more important than making the game as sim as possible. hell, if it was too sim I don't know if I'd want to play it as much. Sometimes Im bored at real games...anyway, off to download nba 08.

[Klocker]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

You say faster pace of Live whereas I feel it's the slower game.

agreed

Live's pace by it's very nature is slower to me which is one reason I like it.

I have been playing 2k for years and played 2k7 quite a bit and one of the reasons I am switching this year (at least for now) is that the more deliberate game of Live seems to make me think a bit more about how/what I want to do. (I love the post game).

2k makes me feel like I just want to run and gun and dunk and such. I don't know why, it just does. It just flows faster. I thought that's what I always wanted and for years I did want it with 2k. Now I just want a change (slower NBA LIVE pace).


I'm guessing the people that are saying Live is fast, have not given the 08 demo more than a 2 minute look-see just to be able to say "yea, it's crap."

[JWiLL02]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

agreed

Live's pace by it's very nature is slower to me which is one reason I like it.

I have been playing 2k for years and played 2k7 quite a bit and one of the reasons I am switching this year (at least for now) is that the more deliberate game of Live seems to make me think a bit more about how/what I want to do. (I love the post game).

2k makes me feel like I just want to run and gun and dunk and such. I don't know why, it just does. It just flows faster. I thought that's what I always wanted and for years I did want it with 2k. Now I just want a change (slower NBA LIVE pace).


I'm guessing the people that are saying Live is fast, have not given the 08 demo more than a 2 minute look-see just to be able to say "yea, it's crap."

Have you tried the 2K8 demo yet? The game actually slows down the pace in the half court, and speeds it up for transition plays. It feels pretty incredible breaking down court with LeBron, and completely different than controlling him in the half court.

I've been wanting an NBA game to do this for a number of years now, and I guess they had to work on momentum before they were able to do it properly.

[DirtyJerz32]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

Im sorry I dont feel like is faster of the 2. Playing against the cpu in 2K8 feels like and always has on 2k games that he is trying to force the pace faster. The do some iso moves and do more iso moves until he does so many that he finally gets around your guy. In live if the push the ball up court and there are no numbers they will pull it back out and set up. Thats real bball. If the numbers arent there they wont force it. 2K will force themselves until they get a layup. Not real. So the next time someone is playing that just watch and see how the cpu pushes and pulls it back out on both games.

[KG]

Re: Why does sig. style not matter????

Im sorry I dont feel like is faster of the 2. Playing against the cpu in 2K8 feels like and always has on 2k games that he is trying to force the pace faster. The do some iso moves and do more iso moves until he does so many that he finally gets around your guy. In live if the push the ball up court and there are no numbers they will pull it back out and set up. Thats real bball. If the numbers arent there they wont force it. 2K will force themselves until they get a layup. Not real. So the next time someone is playing that just watch and see how the cpu pushes and pulls it back out on both games.

Hard to tell from the DEMOs if each team have signature styles but if a team like Gst or Phoenix really try to push the ball it would be incredible. 2K definately does have times when the game is really slow but so far on the Demo this year i have seen some good AI when it comes to having #s on the fast break...Ive seen guys pull 3s on the fast break and drift out to the wing.

If your game is Next-Gen then it should have signature styles and shots. Thats not an added bonus. That should be mandatory