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  • Moses Shuttlesworth
    AB>
    • Aug 2006
    • 9435

    #871
    Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

    Originally posted by bigeastbumrush


    I'd love to hear Moses' response.
    My response is it's not the way he shoots in real life, at least to me, someone who watches him night in night out. He barely gets off the ground when he shoots, and he kind of puts the ball in front while he lets it go. I just feel like in video games it's difficult to see the actual release point.

    He crouches over, that's what I'm trying to say. That's not part of the game.

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    • bigeastbumrush
      My Momma's Son
      • Feb 2003
      • 19245

      #872
      Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

      Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
      My response is it's not the way he shoots in real life, at least to me, someone who watches him night in night out. He barely gets off the ground when he shoots, and he kind of puts the ball in front while he lets it go. I just feel like in video games it's difficult to see the actual release point.

      He crouches over, that's what I'm trying to say. That's not part of the game.
      The 0:27 second mark of Haval's video is what Pierce himself gave them.

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      • DakkoN
        All Star
        • Sep 2006
        • 5611

        #873
        Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

        That might be how he shoots in practice but that is definitely not how he shoots in a game and that's why it looks bad. That's one of the bad things with mo capping shots because most guys are not going to put the full effort into doing it and are instead going to shoot like they are doing warmups.
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        • Moses Shuttlesworth
          AB>
          • Aug 2006
          • 9435

          #874
          Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

          Originally posted by DakkoN
          That might be how he shoots in practice but that is definitely not how he shoots in a game and that's why it looks bad. That's one of the bad things with mo capping shots because most guys are not going to put the full effort into doing it and are instead going to shoot like they are doing warmups.
          Exactly. If you watch Pierce in the warm ups it's different every time. It's sort of half-assed.

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #875
            Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

            Originally posted by DakkoN
            That might be how he shoots in practice but that is definitely not how he shoots in a game and that's why it looks bad. That's one of the bad things with mo capping shots because most guys are not going to put the full effort into doing it and are instead going to shoot like they are doing warmups.
            Yeah, but to say that no game has gotten his sig shot right makes it seem like the devs fault.

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            • left4dead
              Banned
              • Oct 2005
              • 693

              #876
              Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

              Anyone else also disappointed with Kobe's signature shot? It looks NOTHING like how Kobe shoots in real life. Not the form, not the release and definitely not the jump. How can EA mess up the signature shot of the league's most notable and best player?

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              • 23bluesman
                Pro
                • Jun 2008
                • 828

                #877
                Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                Originally posted by left4dead
                Anyone else also disappointed with Kobe's signature shot? It looks NOTHING like how Kobe shoots in real life. Not the form, not the release and definitely not the jump. How can EA mess up the signature shot of the league's most notable and best player?
                I think it looks good actually. Not perfect, but good. Compare these two:

                Kobe jumpshot:


                Live Kobe jumpshot:


                Now what I want for Live 2010 is this move by Kobe (follow the link, then click on his pull-up jumper move):


                It's just a simple pull-up jumper from a hard dribble. The thing is though, it is not a straight-up jumper, and it's not a strong fade also - he sort of fades a little bit, with a small leg extension. In Live, you can do a straight-up jumper and an exaggerated fade (with the high leg kick) from a hard dribble, but not a soft fade such as this. Hopefully in 2010 we can choose to perform a hard or soft fade.
                Last edited by 23bluesman; 09-28-2008, 01:58 AM.

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                • left4dead
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 693

                  #878
                  Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                  Originally posted by 23bluesman
                  I think it looks good actually. Not perfect, but good. Compare these two:

                  Kobe jumpshot:


                  Live Kobe jumpshot:


                  Now what I want for Live 2010 is this move by Kobe (follow the link, then click on his pull-up jumper move):


                  It's just a simple pull-up jumper from a hard dribble. The thing is though, it is not a straight-up jumper, and it's not a strong fade also - he sort of fades a little bit, with a small leg extension. In Live, you can do a straight-up jumper and an exaggerated fade (with the high leg kick) from a hard dribble, but not a soft fade such as this. Hopefully in 2010 we can choose to perform a hard or soft fade.
                  2 things I immediately noticed with Live 09's Kobe signature shot.

                  1. he jumps way too high (as compared to his real life shooting form)

                  2. he has a slight 'hitch' (which he does not have in real life).

                  The former probably bothers me more than the latter because it completely changes/ruins the signature shot. Having played the NBA 09 demo a bunch of times....they probably did a better job of getting Kobe's sig down more accurately than EA (and they probably don't even have player "signature shots" incorporated in their game, LOL).

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                  • 23bluesman
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 828

                    #879
                    Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                    Yeah the height is tricky, that Nike vid that I posted probably isn't a good indicator because he's doing it casually, but obviously during real games the height on his jumpshot varies.

                    Check out this vid. I loved this particular game because of the plethora of jumpshots that Kobe showed, sometimes even doing the fade with the high kick.



                    As you can see some jumpshots are high, and while not as high as the Live vid, higher than his casual jumpshot in the Nike one.

                    Interesting comment regarding NBA 09, I might dl it tonight if I'm bored just too see Kobe's shot.

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                    • Moses Shuttlesworth
                      AB>
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 9435

                      #880
                      Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                      Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                      Yeah, but to say that no game has gotten his sig shot right makes it seem like the devs fault.
                      That might be true, but who's fault is it then? The truth is no game has gotten it right, regardless of what they try to do in order to make it look real.

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                      • bigeastbumrush
                        My Momma's Son
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 19245

                        #881
                        Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                        Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
                        That might be true, but who's fault is it then? The truth is no game has gotten it right, regardless of what they try to do in order to make it look real.
                        Unless some of these devs want to go the Carlisemo/Sprewell route and tell these mo-capping NBA players in their studio that they're not giving full effort, this is what you're going to be "stuck" with.

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                        • 23
                          yellow
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 66469

                          #882
                          Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                          LOL

                          Well guys, Beluba told me to start the sig shot thread a week after release to see if they could patch in more sig shots and stuff. Maybe they can tweak PP's. Who knows, maybe, maybe not but it wont kill the game.

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                          • stephensonmc
                            WW*/*FC C*mm*n*ty Mgr.
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 2105

                            #883
                            Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                            Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                            LOL

                            Well guys, Beluba told me to start the sig shot thread a week after release to see if they could patch in more sig shots and stuff. Maybe they can tweak PP's. Who knows, maybe, maybe not but it wont kill the game.
                            This is a MUST KDre!

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                            • The 24th Letter
                              ERA
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 39373

                              #884
                              Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                              There are some players that just dont shoot balanced every time....they can take 4-5 different looking shots a game....PP is on of them...

                              I guess thats why its so hard to get it down...I for one think it looks good on Live...hard to argue w\ a shot thats been mo capped

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                              • 23
                                yellow
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 66469

                                #885
                                Re: NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

                                Im sure the guys will be happy to chime in on the shots. I'll throw in a couple of suggestions... do you guys need pic or video examples though stephenson?

                                24th I think its just harder to get a guage on a guy like PP's shot when he's not in his hot spot section, just like when he's at the top left corner.

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