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  • Behindshadows
    CEO - BSG Network
    • Nov 2004
    • 8055

    #1

    9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO & PREVIEW

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    NBA Live 09 - Demo Preview

    By, Behindshadows

    This is just a simple demo preview. As I'm spending more time with the demo, I will tell what is wrong and what is right about this game.

    But one thing is for sure the series is definitely moving in the right direction. And this season's basketball game is definitely a true competitor and is shaping up to be an outstanding series winner.

    With this being Season 2 of the new EA NBA team to work on Live. From what they all couldn't do with Live 08, they definitely implemented into Live 09.

    One thing you will notice from 08 to 09, is the more alive stadiums and the outstanding presentation. Some people argue that the crowd isn't up to par. But these are the best crowd models, since The Show 08 on PS3. The models are in complete 3D and you see individual models stand up and sit throughout the game, while others walk the stairs leaving and going to the restrooms or concession stands. Either way you can definitely see the detail in them illustrated in many ways.

    During the game the audio is a major boost, hook this puppy up to surround sound system and you'll just be amazed at the atmosphere of the stadiums. Not to mention the voices of the players while on the court. Get a penalty on a play and even the coaches voices are heard yelling at you about the call.

    Free Throw system is much better and more simplified for those who disliked the system in 06,07, and 08. Just simply press and hold B and release at the green. You'll know what I mean when you get the chance.

    Graphic wise, these are the best player models to date, I wish replay was available on the demo. I would have created some nice screenshots for this preview. Especially the close ups on their faces. Whatever graphics engine they are using is great, skin textures, players proportions, their faces are sculptured absolutely beautiful. Details even in the little things is very noticeable.

    Now the players have personality, you'll see some guys get scolded by team mates on bad plays.

    (Ex. I went for a steal and knocked the ball out of bounds, but almost kept the possession before touching the line. You saw the player pump his fist and the expression on his face, with the action of almost on his face and in his movements.)

    These type of little things is what makes this game better than previous Live's.

    Also for a demo, I really like the player collisions. I've played around 24 or more games so far, and I always see something nice in the game.

    Sometimes I wish I would film every game I play, because the ones I'm not recording, something amazing happens and I wish I had it captured. Once you get Quickstrike down, this game is going to please a lot of people. So far I got the basics of it, I ran a play with Kobe as the primary shooter. I crossovered and drove to the basket. He did an up and under with some collision, and the ball hit and bounced around the rim, he hit the floor and slid across it looking back at the basketball.

    Just insane details like that, will make this game stand out alone.

    Steve Kerr has never sounded better in the commentary, him and Marv are just an incredible duo. Everytime you hear them talk, its like a musical melody, where the verses are not always different. But doesn't stop you from listening to the song. Not to mention what they say during the game is spot on, while going on with other subjects during gameplay is just a nice touch in video game commentary.

    What's wrong with the demo is, its too short and not a full game. I would have rather had more time, than the rewind teams, etc. Which are a waste since you can't complete the game.

    I found the reason some animations look weird is because you shouldn't use turbo anymore during quickstrike moves. Makes the animations look funky.

    Also with all the Celtics butt kissing going on in the NBA games this year, especially the competitors. Seems the EA team also have made the Celtics damn near unstoppable. I've had many times where Ray Allen and Rondo was tightly covered and hit three's and jumpers with a perfect swish!

    Also I've had times where Garnett was being pushed around and my defenders backed off him while he took his shot, and of course he made it.

    Little things like that need to be Ironed out before release.

    All I can say is get this demo for Xbox 360, its worth the try! And you'll be counting the days to October 7th.

    SCREENSHOTS



















    Last edited by Behindshadows; 09-06-2008, 05:47 AM.
  • eDotd
    We ain't cool de la?
    • Jul 2006
    • 6284

    #2
    Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

    Nice preview, I agree with everything you touched on except the crowds being the best since the show.

    They stand up and sit down, but it isn't based off of events. It's more of a random occurrence.

    Also, they animate at about 15 FPS and they are visually distracting (imo). It just looks bad to have players and coaches running and animating at a smooth 60 FPS, while the crowd, ball, and bench players run at about 15. It looks horrible in replays.

    I wouldn't put them on PES's or Madden's level (that would be disrespectful to Live), but I also wouldn't put them anywhere near The Show, or NBA 2K for that matter.
    Last edited by eDotd; 09-06-2008, 08:14 AM.

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    • 23bluesman
      Pro
      • Jun 2008
      • 828

      #3
      Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

      Thanks for doing this Behindshadows, I appreciate it, as I'm sure is everyone else who's interested in Live 09 but can't dl the demo yet.

      Gonna watch the vid now.

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      • Mobster06
        Rookie
        • Oct 2006
        • 40

        #4
        Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

        great writeup
        Originally posted by Michael Jordan
        Even when I'm old and grey, I won't be able to play it, but I'll still love the game.

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        • blingballa333
          MVP
          • Sep 2004
          • 1523

          #5
          Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

          Nice write-up. But I completely disagree on the "amazing player models". Are you serious? Have you seen Patrick O'Bryant and Glen Davis, they look like they can bench 400 pounds! Some players are just so ripped thats its almost funny. Another thing that bothers is how the porportions are screwed up, the legs are too skinny while the upper body is very bulky (take for example gabe pruitt). Im not trying to put the down or anything, its a good game, but saying that these are the best players models to date, is a crock.

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          • SageInfinite
            Stop The GOAT Talk
            • Jul 2002
            • 11896

            #6
            Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

            Originally posted by MomentousCeltic
            Nice preview, I agree with everything you touched on except the crowds being the best since the show.

            They stand up and sit down, but it isn't based off of events. It's more of a random occurrence.

            Also, they animate at about 15 FPS and they are visually distracting (imo). It just looks bad to have players and coaches running and animating at a smooth 60 FPS, while the crowd, ball, and bench players run at about 15. It looks horrible in replays.

            I wouldn't put them on PES's or Madden's level (that would be disrespectful to Live), but I also wouldn't put them anywhere near The Show, or NBA 2K for that matter.
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            • RubenDouglas
              Hall Of Fame
              • May 2003
              • 11202

              #7
              Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

              my focus when playing is on game AI. I want to LEAVE Kobe open 100% of the time, and they FIND him and he does something.

              instead of what would realistically happen in a drive by kobe, his "tendencies" take over and he shoots open jump shots. many times down court a player other than kobe is stuck in the backdown motion 25 feet from the basket and nothing is done. their brains shut off.. the game can have correct colors and commentary, and details but if something like this continually happens consistently, i wont buy it.

              try for yourself.. play OFF kobe, either by not guarding him all together and having your team 4 on 5, or play loosely on him. CPU has no killer instinct. usually in the other games, you leave someone open, there cutting to the basket and the cpu is quick. here dare i say they are DUMB? but its an inconsistent "dumb". one game he will get the looks and the ai is top notch. next series, its terrible. so far a very big mixed bag. thats with 20-25 games. more is needed possibly. i honestly feel like im barely trying out there on Superstar and games are still close. i want to be blown out. that killer instinct if i play dumb

              its too early to have any real conclusions because there HAVE been a decent amount of plays called to kobe and a CPU recognition of kobes greatness, but maybe not enough. I could be looking too much into it, actually
              Last edited by RubenDouglas; 09-06-2008, 06:47 PM.

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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #8
                Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                I think you are Rubes... you're doing your own IGN version of the Shaq test on a demo

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                • RubenDouglas
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • May 2003
                  • 11202

                  #9
                  Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                  Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                  I think you are Rubes... you're doing your own IGN version of the Shaq test on a demo
                  yeah.. i sometimes question my tactics. why try something that will never happen in real life expecting the ai to be THAT smart and then hold it against them.. i dont know though, is changing shaqs position or who he guards really on the same level as what im doing. there they are inadvertly having shaq guard lebron or another fast guard to see if theres any breakaway. here its the simple task of leaving a super star open, knowing in other games, that that open teammate is found and used.

                  surely this sort of talk will end when i get the game, so some of yall can ignore this lol, as its more so boredom taking over

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                  • Court_vision
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 8290

                    #10
                    Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                    Great work Shadow

                    Side note: Very funny to hear them criticising Ray for "standing out of bounds". "How many times do players stand out of bounds to recieve a pass. Amazing Marv".

                    The EA guys must have cringed hearing that...as it's a bug in the game...

                    Real answer: guys who stand out of bounds to recieve a pass in the NBA...about once a year. Guys put their foot on the line, but you never see a player completely standing out of bounds to recieve a pass...LOL

                    In NBA Live = about two or three times a game.

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                    • 23
                      yellow
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 66469

                      #11
                      Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                      Originally posted by RubenDouglas
                      yeah.. i sometimes question my tactics. why try something that will never happen in real life expecting the ai to be THAT smart and then hold it against them.. i dont know though, is changing shaqs position or who he guards really on the same level as what im doing. there they are inadvertly having shaq guard lebron or another fast guard to see if theres any breakaway. here its the simple task of leaving a super star open, knowing in other games, that that open teammate is found and used.

                      surely this sort of talk will end when i get the game, so some of yall can ignore this lol, as its more so boredom taking over

                      Its amazing man... people were in this forum in the beginning from that Cavs video saying it looks like the PG dominates the ball again

                      stephensonmc got a quick game screenshot to show us that by game players dont just dominates the ball as in the past.. and now you're here trying to make it happen unsuccessfully..lol

                      I hear what you're saying but its probably not tied into his DNA since he wasnt a hog last year all season.

                      It's kind of a good thing that the CPU runs its offense without getting off track, its what people wanted right?

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                      • bigeastbumrush
                        My Momma's Son
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 19245

                        #12
                        Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                        Originally posted by RubenDouglas
                        my focus when playing is on game AI. I want to LEAVE Kobe open 100% of the time, and they FIND him and he does something.

                        instead of what would realistically happen in a drive by kobe, his "tendencies" take over and he shoots open jump shots. many times down court a player other than kobe is stuck in the backdown motion 25 feet from the basket and nothing is done. their brains shut off.. the game can have correct colors and commentary, and details but if something like this continually happens consistently, i wont buy it.

                        try for yourself.. play OFF kobe, either by not guarding him all together and having your team 4 on 5, or play loosely on him. CPU has no killer instinct. usually in the other games, you leave someone open, there cutting to the basket and the cpu is quick. here dare i say they are DUMB? but its an inconsistent "dumb". one game he will get the looks and the ai is top notch. next series, its terrible. so far a very big mixed bag. thats with 20-25 games. more is needed possibly. i honestly feel like im barely trying out there on Superstar and games are still close. i want to be blown out. that killer instinct if i play dumb

                        its too early to have any real conclusions because there HAVE been a decent amount of plays called to kobe and a CPU recognition of kobes greatness, but maybe not enough. I could be looking too much into it, actually
                        Umm...your theory or what you're trying to do is flawed. Not sure what you're trying to prove.

                        When ANY CPU player in the demo is open, they take the shot...including PGs. I've seen it for myself and numerous other posters said the same thing. Obviously it's something that we've all been paying close attention to with the whole super PG problem in prior versions.

                        In 2 minute quarters with maybe 3 offensive possessions max per quarter, you're not going to have much court time to judge off of.

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #13
                          Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                          lol Once BS got that new capture equipment it was over.

                          Watch out for www.behindshadows.com where you can watch him play daily!
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                          • Behindshadows
                            CEO - BSG Network
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8055

                            #14
                            Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                            Originally posted by Pared
                            lol Once BS got that new capture equipment it was over.

                            Watch out for www.behindshadows.com where you can watch him play daily!
                            yeah my site has been down for a year, I haven't paid the bill. Plus the host wouldn't let me use the tools I wanted to design it.

                            behindshadows.com will be back up January 1st with a feast of HD videos. Majority will be in 1080i abd 1080p.

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                            • Pared
                              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 39337

                              #15
                              Re: 9/6/08 BSHADOWS VIDEO &amp; PREVIEW

                              Are you serious? I was only joking.

                              Wow.
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