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  • Bumble14
    Producer - EA Sports
    • Dec 2004
    • 808

    #16
    Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

    Originally posted by Pared
    It's not broken, just pretty much non-existent outside of being able to body-up and stop a player from spinning in one direction in the post.

    There are too many fundamental flaws in defense in this game. Defense in its current form is passable but there really needs to be work done in this area for next year.

    It's not all bad but there's HUGE room for improvement, especially in the post.
    Pared, I completely disasgree with you on post defense. Post defense is challenging, but if you actually hit the NBA Academy and practice it you will start to realize you have more weapons available to you other than just a body up and spin stop.

    The first thing you have to realize when playing in the post is take your finger off the defense assist button. This will cause you to be out of position 99% of the time when the offensive player makes his move. The second thing you have to learn to use is small movements on the left stick once you are engaged- stop jerking the stick in big motions back and forth-slow and steady will allow you to shadow your man and anticipate his moves.

    The third and MOST IMPORTANT skill you need to learn on post defense in this game is about "tapping" the Y or Triangle jump button. What people don't seem to get is that if you are in good position in the post, and anticipate an offensive move, not only can you man up on the offensive player, but you can actually perform several defensive swats by tapping the jump button once (very light tap). I have been able to slap the ball out of the defenders hands when they try to make a move, block the ball just enough without going for the full jump to negate the shot, and also initiate enough body contact to make the offensive player adjust their shot and fall down.

    If you "jam" on the jump button hard, or use turbo, your character will gather momentum to make a big jump. If you tap jump, depending on your body momentum and movement with the left stick, your player will make a less pronounced attempt to make a play on the ball.

    Defense in this game is not broken, and does not need work as many of you claim. I will repeat this as I did in my article, if you play this game defensively like 2K basketball, you will fail. Live 09 has an extremely deep defensive skill set that is easy to play once you learn the buttons, but difficult to master. People who attempt to use the 2K controller style to play this game are simply going to complain that the game is broken- much like I did the first couple hours with it. It is pretty difficult to adjust to the fact that you can not spam a button and automatically play good defense like in the 2K games- Live makes you work with your left stick and buttons if you want to be successful. If you really want to learn this game, put 2K down for a few days, erase what that game has taught you, and completely relearn how you play hoops defense.
    Christian McLeod--EA Sports NBA Live/Madden NFL Producer

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    • 23bluesman
      Pro
      • Jun 2008
      • 828

      #17
      Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

      Originally posted by Bumble14
      Pared, I completely disasgree with you on post defense. Post defense is challenging, but if you actually hit the NBA Academy and practice it you will start to realize you have more weapons available to you other than just a body up and spin stop.

      The first thing you have to realize when playing in the post is take your finger off the defense assist button. This will cause you to be out of position 99% of the time when the offensive player makes his move. The second thing you have to learn to use is small movements on the left stick once you are engaged- stop jerking the stick in big motions back and forth-slow and steady will allow you to shadow your man and anticipate his moves.

      The third and MOST IMPORTANT skill you need to learn on post defense in this game is about "tapping" the Y or Triangle jump button. What people don't seem to get is that if you are in good position in the post, and anticipate an offensive move, not only can you man up on the offensive player, but you can actually perform several defensive swats by tapping the jump button once (very light tap). I have been able to slap the ball out of the defenders hands when they try to make a move, block the ball just enough without going for the full jump to negate the shot, and also initiate enough body contact to make the offensive player adjust their shot and fall down.

      If you "jam" on the jump button hard, or use turbo, your character will gather momentum to make a big jump. If you tap jump, depending on your body momentum and movement with the left stick, your player will make a less pronounced attempt to make a play on the ball.

      Defense in this game is not broken, and does not need work as many of you claim. I will repeat this as I did in my article, if you play this game defensively like 2K basketball, you will fail. Live 09 has an extremely deep defensive skill set that is easy to play once you learn the buttons, but difficult to master. People who attempt to use the 2K controller style to play this game are simply going to complain that the game is broken- much like I did the first couple hours with it. It is pretty difficult to adjust to the fact that you can not spam a button and automatically play good defense like in the 2K games- Live makes you work with your left stick and buttons if you want to be successful. If you really want to learn this game, put 2K down for a few days, erase what that game has taught you, and completely relearn how you play hoops defense.
      Thanks, I'll try this out the next time I play. Interesting stuff to say the least. Hey, maybe you and KDRE can collaborate to do the defensive thread? :wink:

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      • Pared
        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #18
        Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

        I'll give the "swat" thing a shot, but I still have not seen that, especially from the computer. Not calling you a liar, just saying it must be very rare.

        However, I still stand by my point in that there is more that can be done with the post. Play an online game and watch people dominate in the paint. You're more than welcome to hop online and join the fray. Just ask blueandgold; Inside is pretty much money.

        This was pointed out at the community day. Like I said, it's a good start but there needs to more depth to the system. Defense will most likely be the "big thing" next year and it will be welcomed with open arms.
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        • sportyguyfl31
          MVP
          • Nov 2005
          • 4745

          #19
          Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

          Originally posted by Pared
          It's not broken, just pretty much non-existent outside of being able to body-up and stop a player from spinning in one direction in the post.

          There are too many fundamental flaws in defense in this game. Defense in its current form is passable but there really needs to be work done in this area for next year.

          It's not all bad but there's HUGE room for improvement, especially in the post.

          I disagree, but I confess I felt the same way when I started playing. When I get home, I'm going to post some clips of defensive stops.

          You can feel pretty much in total control over a lot of what is going if you understand the controls, who you have, and who you are guarding.

          Playing defense with my knicks isnt the same as playing defense with the spurs. I love playing defense with that team.

          Also, dont forget that the right stick is a defense crouch stance, and will help you keep good position.

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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #20
            Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

            I'd love to see this in action. Looking forward to the clips.
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            • Bumble14
              Producer - EA Sports
              • Dec 2004
              • 808

              #21
              Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

              Originally posted by Pared
              I'll give the "swat" thing a shot, but I still have not seen that, especially from the computer. Not calling you a liar, just saying it must be very rare.

              However, I still stand by my point in that there is more that can be done with the post. Play an online game and watch people dominate in the paint. You're more than welcome to hop online and join the fray. Just ask blueandgold; Inside is pretty much money.

              This was pointed out at the community day. Like I said, it's a good start but there needs to more depth to the system. Defense will most likely be the "big thing" next year and it will be welcomed with open arms.
              No worries Pared, I know you weren't calling me a liar.

              You have to tap the jump button really quickly while anticipating the players move. You have to have perfect timing for the different swat animations. It's not that hard once you get used to it- I went after all the Academy challenges on Superstar the other night and this is where I learned the ins and outs of the inside game.

              Another big tip when playing down low is that each player seems to have their own individual skill set (AWESOME addition by EA). Guys like DHoward and Amare are more explosive and can block shots easier. A guy like Shaq is not as explosive and to be successful with him you need to use the body and use better timing to block shots. Oden is very long, so it takes much less effort on the sticks and buttons to get into successful position downlow. Finally, a guy like Chris Kaman needs to rely on swats and perfect positioning (tap jump while moving stick correctly) because he is not that explosive as a blocker.

              I have really found that you MUST pay attention to who you are defending with in order to be successful, and to use that guys move set to lock down in the post. You can gamble more with the Amare types because it seems easier to recover for the block. With a guy like Kaman you have to play sound positionally and go for knock aways.

              As far as online goes, you can stop a player in the paint, you just need to make adjustments. If a guy is killing you downlow online, switch your defensive settings to "tight" on the man, and then turn on the double team. I'm not saying you will shut the guy out, but it will help. Look at it this way- it is pretty realistic- a guy like Shaq is (was) a force downlow where you have to make adjustments to stop him. You are not going to stop Tim Duncan in the post with a scubby defender.

              Play the Academy, bump it up to Superstar, get frustrated to the point where you want to throw the controller through your LCD, then suddenly it will all click about 30 minutes in. This is how I learned, and the strategies actually work. I'll try to get some sportsworld vids up in the next week so you guys can see the moves in action (wish you could take academy vids, it'd be easier to point out the button moves). Just be patient, good post D is possible.
              Last edited by Bumble14; 10-15-2008, 09:53 AM.
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              • 23
                yellow
                • Sep 2002
                • 66469

                #22
                Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

                I've seen that swat thing by accident a few times and each time it was an accident

                That said, i don't feel helpless in the post and have pretty much had a mixed bag, sometimes the CPU takes advantage of my mistakes when I get laxed, and others I either alter the shots or block them with success.

                Originally posted by Bumble14
                Finally, a guy like Chris Kaman needs to rely on swats and perfect positioning (tap jump while moving stick correctly) because he is not that explosive as a blocker.

                I have really found that you MUST pay attention to who you are defending with in order to be successful, and to use that guys move set to lock down in the post. You can gamble more with the Amare types because it seems easier to recover for the block. With a guy like Kaman you have to play sound positionally and go for knock aways.
                Agreed, check the video thread to see the Kaman timing block/swat on Al Harrington that I posted.

                What's funny is how Steve Kerr even commented on how long Josh Smith is and how its easier for him to block shots becasue of it. You do really feel the difference in players on both sides of the ball.

                Sometimes defense requires the best positioning and that becomes a chess match to see who can make the other player do something he doesn't want to do. You can definitely throw a post player off and make him force a shot, or adjust his shot for the fear of getting it blocked. The computer actually does that..lol I did it to KG last night.

                I said it once and will again, this is not your typical way of playing defense that we're used to. The footplanting, the timing, the momentum system and the should I or should I not use the sprint button all comes into play.

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                • sportyguyfl31
                  MVP
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 4745

                  #23
                  Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

                  Try playing post defense with the twin sloths: Eddie Curry and Zach Randolph .

                  Dwight Howard went for 30/15, and I actually felt like I did as well as I possibly could.

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                  • Chairman7w
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1490

                    #24
                    Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

                    Bumble, thanks for posting all this. Great stuff, and I'm real anxious to get home and work on it.

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                    • sportyguyfl31
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 4745

                      #25
                      Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

                      Here's a couple of clips of a game i recently played..default superstar. Onball D.


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                      • Bumble14
                        Producer - EA Sports
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 808

                        #26
                        I'm heading out of town for a family wedding this weekend, but will try and get some videos up tonight. If not, look for them next week.

                        Additionally I am putting together an offensive strategy article for the site either next week, or the week after. Feel free to PM me if you have some tips you have found particularly helpful, and would like to see included in the article.

                        Let's make sure OS is the #1 stop for those looking for Live 09 strategy. Spread the word.

                        Thanks guys.
                        Last edited by Bumble14; 10-16-2008, 01:44 PM.
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                        • Chairman7w
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 1490

                          #27
                          Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

                          I have tried different guys in Post Defense and what you said is very accurate: Different players have different skillsets! Some players (seems to me) simply aren't able to do that quick hop block move. They HAVE to take time to gather themselves and leap. No swatting for them.

                          Others are great at the quick swat, or quick hop up block. Either way, you can body up in the post and kinda "learn" the shoot animations and tell when the opposing players starting his shot motion and time it right.

                          Ultimately, good defense IS possible, but is a definite "skill" that needs to be learned and practiced. And that doesn't (by any means) mean you're going to stop the other guy cold - it just means that you can lower his chances of scoring.

                          Kinda like real basketball.

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                          • NBAliveSucks
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1

                            #28
                            Sorry I had to register just to post this. The problem of this game is offense is superior to defense. You have to make an effort to miss any shot. I double team and lock down Stojakovic, in the face defense, the clock counts down to 1 and he can make 3 pointers regularly anyway. Tell me that's normal. It's not just Stojakovic. I'm making an example. This game just plainly sucks. This is from a guy that really tries to like NBA Live and don't own NBA 2K.

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                            • sportyguyfl31
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 4745

                              #29
                              Re: Five Defensive Tips for NBA Live 09

                              Originally posted by NBAliveSucks
                              Sorry I had to register just to post this. The problem of this game is offense is superior to defense. You have to make an effort to miss any shot. I double team and lock down Stojakovic, in the face defense, the clock counts down to 1 and he can make 3 pointers regularly anyway. Tell me that's normal. It's not just Stojakovic. I'm making an example. This game just plainly sucks. This is from a guy that really tries to like NBA Live and don't own NBA 2K.

                              Funny, I held Peja Stokakovic to 2-6 shooting. Nice try Mr. Troll.

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                              • coastset
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 5

                                #30
                                I REALLY NEED HELP with defensive rebounds,,it seems like yao ming neva goes for the rebounds and i be getting killed by second chance points,,,,,what can i do,,why doesnt yao ming go for the rebounds?
                                Coast$et

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