NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

[rnichol8]

Nice Vid Czar!

I'm a 2Ker and I am extremely impress with the things NBA Live are doing this year. DNA and Rewind is incredible! Live is stepping up.

But I can't wait for that 2K Czarisode

[GSW]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

I'm going to try a rewind game tonight.

The CPU very rarely fastbreaks in LIVE...so how will they replicate fast breaking teams like the Suns in rewind?????????

turn game speed up.

[GSW]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Its da Czar Its da Czar Its da Czar,

Great work homie.

Youve basically pinpointed in one video why this game will get the majority of burn during the season for me, i can live with the lack of animations, Give me realistic team sets, momentum, player DNA that mimics real life...what else do I need?

Now if only i could fix these shooting percentages...

[sportyguyfl31]

I havent played any rewind games yet..i need to try one out. Dynasty mode is great though so far.

As far as how dynasty mode effects DNA. I started mine with the update just before opening night.

Basically, whatever DNA you download prior to starting your dynasty is the DNA you will have in your dynasty, if I am not mistaken.

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Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Its da Czar Its da Czar Its da Czar,

Great work homie.

Youve basically pinpointed in one video why this game will get the majority of burn during the season for me, i can live with the lack of animations, Give me realistic team sets, momentum, player DNA that mimics real life...what else do I need?

Now if only i could fix these shooting percentages...

I think that's probably the majority reason why people are still playing this game along with the fact that its just fun.

BTW, if you haven't played a rewind game to check the differences then you owe it to yourself.

Its funny seeing certain guys be more aggressive than normal, within the offense though

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Great job as usual Czar.

DNA has unlimited potential.

However, Beluba and co. REALLY have their work cut out for them animation wise.

The players still move and react like robots and does not give you the impression of watching actual players interacting at all.

This franchise needs an overhaul in the animation department BigTime. I can see DNA being an incredible feature in the future but until they get the players to move and react like humans this game will continue to come up short IMO.

Hopefully, they can add a boat load of new animations and signature styles for next year with Mike having a full Dev. cycle to work with.

Edubb what up family..... Hey man I would rather worry about EA needing animations than worry about them not knowing how to program a sim experience. That is the foundation that everything else can build off of. For me I rather have a great core gameplay with questionable animations than visa versa... Plus SUPER B is on the case baby. also notice how many ea devs are floating around here that is a big change from a few years ago.

Hell one dude who is a steve nash fan got him added back to the canadian nat team cause steph saw his complaint. You take a company with the resources of EA and then have that company actually paying attention to its most ardent fan base. Combine that with the leverage to be able to take things that work out of other games and engines (fifa) and you have incredible potential. Plus they got SUPER B LOLOLOL.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Great vid Czar.

Unfortunately you also saw a glimpse of one of the problems with the DNA. Unless it's an AI issue... but towards the end Varejao has an open path the lane, decides to do a pull up jumper and pass out to the 3 point in the middle of the jumper.

Although head scratchers like that are few and far between, it makes me wonder if DNA coding is somehow fighting with the AI coding. One obviously has to take precedence over the other in certain situations... but with an open path to the basket?

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

DNA is the truth man. I wasn't able to show yall the real meat and potatoes because of time. The way the other players played around lebron play each of those games tells the story. Using rewind I have played about 15 games against the Cavs and practically each one was a different experience based on what they were doing in real life...

I saw Delonte west get aggressive against Orlando I would presume because of the mis match at the point with nelson. The system is tremendous. Bench players who had big games in dna get minutes and look to produce. then other games they move the ball.

Next year they will probably add something along the lines of tempo or coach settings so that fast teams play a lil bit faster. But we KNOW they don't have to scrap everything and start over... that is what made 2k what it is. constant refining rather than rebuilding.

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Great vid Czar.

Unfortunately you also saw a glimpse of one of the problems with the DNA. Unless it's an AI issue... but towards the end Varejao has an open path the lane, decides to do a pull up jumper and pass out to the 3 point in the middle of the jumper.

Although head scratchers like that are few and far between, it makes me wonder if DNA coding is somehow fighting with the AI coding. One obviously has to take precedence over the other in certain situations... but with an open path to the basket?

Thanks Pared. Good point. like you said I have not seen a ton of it but there are instances where something like that happens. In this game in 48 mintutes of gameplay I think there may be 2 other headscratcher moments. I'll take that....

Truthfully I thought they were going to mess this up and the game would be a robotic mess as far as slavishly obeying the tendencies.

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Great post Czar

Thanks vision. I have not played a lot of fast breaking teams as of yet but if it is as you say then dna probably won't fix that as far as having a whole team take quicker shots. Probably a next year addition would be more team individuality as far as tempo goes. Like what we see them adding for ncaabb09. not as drastic but something like team sliders in 2k for more tempo related stuff.

[left4dead]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Great video as always Czar. I just got sick of the repeated "King" refrences. Also I wish you would have chosen a different player to highlight than Cleveland's starting SF. I'm beyond sick of this guy and his BS hype.

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Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

How about you make your own video then

[bls]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Thanks Pared. Good point. like you said I have not seen a ton of it but there are instances where something like that happens. In this game in 48 mintutes of gameplay I think there may be 2 other headscratcher moments. I'll take that....

Truthfully I thought they were going to mess this up and the game would be a robotic mess as far as slavishly obeying the tendencies.

Thing about it is, some people just don't want something crazy to happen in a videogame, when in actuality, some of those crazy things happen in real life. For example, there been times when I heard a commentator say, well he was wide open he should have taken that shot. Could have been a vast number of reasons as to why he didn't (Not a good shooter, missed too many already and doesn't feel confident and in certain situations may not even realize he had an open shot). But if this same thing happens in a videogame then it broken or glitched, whatever you want to call it.

It's either one way or the other. You hear people say well the AI is too easy, so the following year they fix it so it's harder. Then you have people complaining about the AI is too hard, it cheats. When the truth of the matter is, they'll NEVER get CPU AI too duplicate what would happen in real life in any game and the day they do will be the day you won't see me playing these games.

[dave374]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

Great video as always Czar. I just got sick of the repeated "King" refrences. Also I wish you would have chosen a different player to highlight than Cleveland's starting SF. I'm beyond sick of this guy and his BS hype.

How about you make your own video then

LMAO.

Oh ... do the Raptors next Czar.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Live 09 Video - Czarisode 5: Rewind That DNA

How about you make your own video then

lol Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Thing about it is, some people just don't want something crazy to happen in a videogame, when in actuality, some of those crazy things happen in real life. For example, there been times when I heard a commentator say, well he was wide open he should have taken that shot. Could have been a vast number of reasons as to why he didn't (Not a good shooter, missed too many already and doesn't feel confident and in certain situations may not even realize he had an open shot). But if this same thing happens in a videogame then it broken or glitched, whatever you want to call it.

It's either one way or the other. You hear people say well the AI is too easy, so the following year they fix it so it's harder. Then you have people complaining about the AI is too hard, it cheats. When the truth of the matter is, they'll NEVER get CPU AI too duplicate what would happen in real life in any game and the day they do will be the day you won't see me playing these games.

Easy partner. No need to defend every little thing.

Much of what you say is true but it's not even the fact that it is Varejao who did this, a player who is well known for being reckless and attacking the basket like a fat kid on cake. It's more so about that it's a recurring thing where you'll see players take that step, pull up, and then pass out, without any defense on them.