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  • Pared
    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #1

    Bad late game AI

    I'm up 3 with the Hornets, 29.3 seconds left in the 4th and I inbound the ball. I have 13 seconds on the shot clock (when I should have 14, maybe it's only broken in the replay).

    The CPU plays defense to make a stop, hoping I miss and they can have a chance to tie the game, right?

    I run down the clock and the CPU fouls me with 22.9 seconds as they have one to give. This however, resets the shot clock. Next inbound they foul me immediately so the clock is now at 21.9 and I ice both free throws with CP3. They call TO and take it half court.

    They score a quick 2 and foul again. I hit both. Another TO for them. Duncan hits a 2 and I run out the clock.

    Did the CPU handle this situation correctly? Not in my opinion.
    Last edited by Pared; 01-10-2009, 09:32 PM.
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    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #2
    Re: Bad late game AI

    Give it a few more shots because I've had both games where they foul me until they can't anymore and others where they dont foul after a certain point when they just cant catch up anyhow.

    Where is the sequence where you feel they messed up, if Im understanding right

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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #3
      Re: Bad late game AI

      They played out the shot clock, then fouled after it winded down.

      It wasn't accidental either because that happens; It was the intentional foul animation back to back.

      They should have played the shot hoping I'd miss and the defense would hold up or fouled me early in the shot clock.

      Just bad programming in this instance. I can understand other situations (down 4 in this case) but down 3 it's a head scratcher.

      Hopefully it's fixed for next year.

      First time I've seen something like it since the game released. I wonder if it's a DNA thing but I doubt it.
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        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #4
        Re: Bad late game AI

        Dude im not having sequences like that every time

        I dont know what to say. I posted a clip of how the Cavs reacted when I made a comeback on them and LeBron with guys on him took it strong to the hole to seal the game.

        I just had Dirk do the same to me tonight although I was up and Kerr mentioned how its smart to not settle for the J in the situation.

        Although I won, I never once had them hold the ball then only try to react once the clock was about to expire.

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #5
          Re: Bad late game AI

          I recorded it on video but there's no point to post it. This should obviously get "swept under the rug" since people would rather discuss other (positive) things.

          It's not every late game scenario. I'm talking about this one specifically, given the scenario.
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          • GSW
            Simnation
            • Feb 2003
            • 8041

            #6
            Re: Bad late game AI

            Originally posted by Pared
            I recorded it on video but there's no point to post it. This should obviously get "swept under the rug" since people would rather discuss other (positive) things.

            It's not every late game scenario. I'm talking about this one specifically, given the scenario.
            rofl.

            cmon man post the video, if its an issue post it so they can see it and fix it, dont be a baby.
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            • left4dead
              Banned
              • Oct 2005
              • 693

              #7
              Re: Bad late game AI

              I've mentioned this in the "2010 wishlist" thread when Live 09 was initially released. The 'late game" AI is ATROCIOUS and in close ball games, it takes the fun out of the game.

              2 prime examples:

              1. My team up by 3 points, 6 seconds left in the game....the cpu team inbounds the ball, passes it once and the cpu player drives the paint and takes a mid-range jumper INSTEAD of taking a potyentially tying 3-point shot. Brilliant. LOL.

              2. My team is up 1 point w/ possesion of the basketball, 36 seconds left in the game, full 24-second shot clock.....once the GAME clock goes below 24 seconds, the cpu IMMEDIATELY fouls my player and sends me to the FT line.

              There NO point in fouling because even IF I score, the cpu will get the ball back since the shot clock is fewer than the actual game clock/time. If you watch a real NBA game, a scenario like this NEVER happens. It's beyond stupid and once again, it kills the excitement of a close ball game in the final seconds.

              Thanks EA!
              Last edited by left4dead; 01-11-2009, 02:02 PM.

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #8
                Re: Bad late game AI

                Originally posted by GSW
                rofl.

                cmon man post the video, if its an issue post it so they can see it and fix it, dont be a baby.
                Is that supposed to be some sort of dare? You should grow up and stop acting like a child. Act your age.

                I'll get it to who it needs to get to. I just wanted to give others the opportunity to discuss the situation first but obviously there's no interest in it outside of KDRE.

                left4dead,

                I wouldn't call it atrocious; There's some gaffes here and there, that's all. It's like that with a lot of games.
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                • GSW
                  Simnation
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 8041

                  #9
                  Re: Bad late game AI

                  Relax on the personal attacks man.

                  all i did was say you should post it... and dont be a baby. no need to get all defensive.

                  all that extra stuff you added in your post about ME growing up was unnecessary.

                  Maybe I wanted to see it to see if i ever seen a situation liek that, did you tihnk of that?... no you are more intrested in telling me to grow up (for what reason).

                  you're the one that needs to grow up.
                  #Simnation

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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #10
                    Re: Bad late game AI

                    Pared, you know good and well you werent going to be able to come and here and post this.....you know nothings wrong w\ this game lol. your exactly right though....hopefully they fix it for next year..

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                    • left4dead
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 693

                      #11
                      Re: Bad late game AI

                      Originally posted by Pared
                      left4dead,

                      I wouldn't call it atrocious; There's some gaffes here and there, that's all. It's like that with a lot of games.
                      The 2 situations I described in my first post above happens EVERY single in late games. As a matter of fact, when I'm at the FT line up by one point....I PURPOSELY miss 1 out of the 2 foul shots because I know that the cpu won't take a 3 if I'm up by that amount.

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                      • GSW
                        Simnation
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 8041

                        #12
                        Re: Bad late game AI

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        Pared, you know good and well you werent going to be able to come and here and post this.....you know nothings wrong w\ this game lol. your exactly right though....hopefully they fix it for next year..
                        I dont think anyone ever said theres nothing wrong with the game.

                        I'm fairly certain all KDRE was doing was saying that hes never seen it, and that ti doesnt happen everytime.

                        And I just wanted to see it.
                        #Simnation

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                        • Court_vision
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 8290

                          #13
                          Re: Bad late game AI

                          Originally posted by left4dead
                          I've mentioned this in the "2010 wishlist" thread when Live 09 was initially released. The 'late game" AI is ATROCIOUS and in close ball games, it takes the fun out of the game.

                          2 prime examples:

                          1. My team up by 3 points, 6 seconds left in the game....the cpu team inbounds the ball, passes it once and the cpu player drives the paint and takes a mid-range jumper INSTEAD of taking a potyentially tying 3-point shot. Brilliant. LOL.

                          2. My team is up 1 point w/ possesion of the basketball, 36 seconds left in the game, full 24-second shot clock.....once the GAME clock goes below 24 seconds, the cpu IMMEDIATELY fouls my player and sends me to the FT line.

                          There NO point in fouling because even IF I score, the cpu will get the ball back since the shot clock is fewer than the actual game clock/time. If you watch a real NBA game, a scenario like this NEVER happens. It's beyond stupid and once again, it kills the excitement of a close ball game in the final seconds.

                          Thanks EA!
                          Agreed. The late game AI is terrible. I'd say in 90% of close games it is terrible, so I agree with Pared and LFD.

                          There's a lot of things wrong with the game...i had the CPU beat me last week when their player was about 2 feet out of bounds for a rebound He got it and put it back...i watched the replay and he had both feet out of bounds!

                          The game has a tonne of promise...but the engine still has a tonne of holes.

                          I've said all along, it's a great beta this year

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                          • 23
                            yellow
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 66469

                            #14
                            Re: Bad late game AI

                            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                            Pared, you know good and well you werent going to be able to come and here and post this.....you know nothings wrong w\ this game lol. your exactly right though....hopefully they fix it for next year..

                            I don't know about all of that but he posted a situation, and I posted one. I even posted a clip of a late game situation I had some time ago.. its still on here somewhere

                            There is no right or wrong there. Just to go back I went and played another game and still didn't have a problem, so I can conclude that it doesn't happen each and every time.

                            That said, people are probably just playing the game and enjoying it for what it is ,and could care less about coming on the message boards to talk about whats wrong with it.

                            This aint the 2k boards. There is a wishlist sticky here and a questions thread. The devs communicate with the fans and that's probably all they need.

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                            • Beluba
                              Gameplay Director, NBA2k
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1389

                              #15
                              Re: Bad late game AI

                              We have time scheduled to improve our late game AI logic (which I know has several problems.) It would be immensely helpful, as some of you already have, if you guys could post your issues with as much detail as possible so we can debug the problem on our end and find the holes in the logic. Thanks.

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