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    Behindshadows
    CEO - BSG Network
    • Nov 2004
    • 8055

    BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


    NBA Live 07 where they went right and where they went completely wrong!

    INTRODUCTION

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    Today I will be showing you videos and over 159 in game images of Live 07 and try to determine where they went right and wrong with the series.

    Now we all remember the articles and petitions of how bad NBA Live 07 was and how the Live Nation went into an uproar on how they would stop buying EA products if the series didn’t improve or at least show some effort. Especially when the competition, 2ksports seemed to be going in the right direction and were constantly taking over the market! But while everyone was complaining about what was so wrong with the game, no one took the time to say what was good about it. In this segment I will definitely point out the good in this game, beginning with graphics, then to the gameplay and then on to the presentation and features.

    GRAPHICS

    One thing that can honestly be said about Live 07’s graphics is they were nice, and the player’s faces were much more accurate in this game than Live 08 and 09 combined. From the way the models faces and nose features were accurate, down to there tattoo’s and body accessories. The eyes and depth of their chins and lips etc. were all very accurate and realistic with correct shading and more. Whoever did the art this year should be given many props, because he really took the time to capture even the smallest players and the rookies as well, I have images of Devin Harris, and J.J. Redick and the level of detail of these guys are just simply ridiculous.

    Also the crowd models were much more detailed, with tons of team apparel and fans of all races and sex. Men and women fans, with multiple models it’s just a nice touch of detail. Also the stadiums are accurate in Live 07, kind of strange how no one captured that or mentioned it, not just the court floors but the actual stadiums, from seat sections down to the gateways and doors. Stadium lighting was good and it was different in each stadium to give a much more realistic glare to what the real stadiums looked like from a televised view.

    A few things that are bad about the graphics, are the blurring of the backgrounds and the thickness to the player models. Also the lack of cheerleaders and mascots, do draw away to making the sidelines a bit bare. And the additional fluff that they give their jersey’s is absolutely terrible and makes them super big.

    GAMEPLAY

    When it comes to gameplay this game is hit and miss, out the box it is a tragedy of all proportions, from poor defensive A.I., to dunks from behind the backboard.

    PLAYMAKERS SLIDERS

    The only thing PM’s sliders help this game, is by pacing the game, and also making the computer finally miss. Also they give you realistic game stats while finishing quarters and halves and on 12 minutes the scores coming out realistic. Some of the gameplay quirks that plague the game couldn’t be repaired with just sliders, because it was programming.

    But was this game as bad as everyone made it out to be, I think not! For many reasons and if the development team would have kept building on what was here they would have had a great game in 08, and 09. I won’t go into anymore what is wrong, because the reviews and forums beat this game up. But they didn’t say anything that was right. So let me point out some things that were definitely right.

    - Ball rim physics, rim shots, backboard shots etc. Made it into Live 07
    - Graphics and skin tones were perfect, along with facial features and models.
    - Crowd interaction was amazing and absolutely the best so far, not to mention model details went backwards on 08 and 09.
    - Commentary was much more accurate and more televised in 07. Seems 08 and 09 were toned down.
    - Characters licensed and individual signature accessories were in the game. Just peep out Vince Carter’s VC logo arm band along with many other players.
    - Facial reactions to plays and fouls were in the game
    - Free style was beginning here, then got worse in 08 and repaired in 09.
    - Shoes and overall accessories were accurate in this game.

    Those are just a few things that were definitely done right! Below I will post 5 gameplay videos! Along with 160 photos just to see the overall detail in this game and show why it was the best looking in the series, but the gameplay just need better programming and it would have been even better.

    With sliders the game is good and it’s fun, but with longer and better programming and just a few touch up. This game as a base, would have set a open door for 08 and 09.

    VIDEO 1 - NUGGETS at PISTONS

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    VIDEO 2 - LAKERS at CELTICS

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    VIDEO 3 - SAN ANTONIO at DALLAS

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    VIDEO 4 - CLEVELAND at ORLANDO

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    VIDEO 5 - BLAZERS at BULLS

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    Last edited by Behindshadows; 07-17-2009, 07:29 PM.
  • #2
    RayAP19
    Banned
    • Oct 2006
    • 2668

    Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


    Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

    Good thread, will definitely take a much closer look later on. Took forever and a half to load though, just something to keep in mind.

    Also, something like this would have been more useful much sooner.

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    • #3
      bateman11
      MVP
      • Jul 2004
      • 1729

      Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


      Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

      Great post.

      But you needa shoot some jumpers lol.

      My fave part about this game was how the players set their feet before going up for a shot. It was awesome. Other then that, meh.
      PSN: rose2kobe24

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      • #4
        Behindshadows
        CEO - BSG Network
        • Nov 2004
        • 8055

        Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


        Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

        Thanks guys, also I just updated the image url's so the page will load faster, just click the pictures to enlarge them in HD!

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        • #5
          blingballa333
          MVP
          • Sep 2004
          • 1523

          Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


          Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

          Not just "meh", more like "........ LMAO".

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          • #6
            thmst30
            MVP
            • Mar 2005
            • 4153

            Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


            Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

            Graphics were good, but I'm sorry those gameplay vids are painful to watch. On the court this game was as bad as advertised.

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            • #7
              Shakedowncapo
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              • Aug 2002
              • 4031

              Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


              Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

              Yep.. Gameplay wise, one the worst bball games EVER.

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              • #8
                Jano
                You Dead Wrong
                • May 2004
                • 3161

                Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                True that capo I don't know how I was able to even complete a full game sometimes. I just really love basketball and I guess that was the only reason I gave it a chance.

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                • #9
                  TheFiasco87
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 279

                  Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                  Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                  player intros where decent, everything else..........lol

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                  • #10
                    Shakedowncapo
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 4031

                    Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                    Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                    Shadows, I don't wanna make it seem like im ****ting on the work you put in. So don't get that idea.

                    But if you would've done Live '06..People would have been more responded Love the dunks/crowd animations.

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                    • #11
                      bateman11
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                      • Jul 2004
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                      Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                      Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                      Originally posted by Shakedowncapo
                      Shadows, I don't wanna make it seem like im ****ting on the work you put in. So don't get that idea.

                      But if you would've done Live '06..People would have been more responded Love the dunks/crowd animations.


                      Knee-slapper.
                      PSN: rose2kobe24

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                      • #12
                        Behindshadows
                        CEO - BSG Network
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 8055

                        Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                        Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                        Everyone is missing the point of my post, I already state a billion times the gameplay was the only part of the game that was a miss.

                        I stated before that the obvious has been stated and beaten like a dead horse. The point of this thread was to point out what was good about the game. I knew that everyone would beat this game over and over. But to say it was one of the worse games ever is just a bad statement, because its far from that.

                        With Playmakers sliders it was very enjoyable. I played a game with UTAH last night that was a nail biter.

                        And I was trying to point out positive things about the game, from team play, if you watch the videos with an open mind you'll see the cpu A.I. working to get good shots, and you'll see efforts for the basket and looks for open shots. And decent defense, great crowd interactions, and way better player models that all the other titles including 09.

                        And if people would actually read the article you'd see I was saying they could have built off of 07 and focused on gameplay and adding features, but continued to have the great character details.
                        Last edited by Behindshadows; 07-17-2009, 10:16 PM.

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                        • #13
                          rockchisler
                          All Star
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 8282

                          Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                          Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                          Originally posted by Behindshadows
                          Everyone is missing the point of my post, I already state a billion times the gameplay was the only part of the game that was a miss.

                          I stated before that the obvious has been stated and beaten like a dead horse. The point of this thread was to point out what was good about the game. I knew that everyone would beat this game over and over. But to say it was one of the worse games ever is just a bad statement, because its far from that.

                          With Playmakers sliders it was very enjoyable. I played a game with UTAH last night that was a nail biter.

                          And I was trying to point out positive things about the game, from team play, if you watch the videos with an open mind you'll see the cpu A.I. working to get good shots, and you'll see efforts for the basket and looks for open shots. And decent defense, great crowd interactions, and way better player models that all the other titles including 09.

                          And if people would actually read the article you'd see I was saying they could have built off of 07 and focused on gameplay and adding features, but continued to have the great character details.
                          Yep loved the atmosphere hated the gameplay, that sums it up but looking forward to 10
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                          • #14
                            RICH72601
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                            • Sep 2004
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                            Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                            Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                            With any game, there's always good and bad, and unfortunately Live 07 had way more bad than good. I still wonder how that game got released.

                            I still have it (I sell none of my games), but I actually popped it in a while ago. The best thing I liked about the whole game was being in the practice gym and seeing the foot planting in action along with some beautiful jumpshot forms like McGrady, Melo, and a couple others.

                            Even though Live's player models were not perfect, as far as the graphics go, to me it seems like they've actually taken a step back almost every year. Look at Wade, Lebron, Shaq, Ben Wallace, etc. in 06, 07, 08, and 09 and you'll see a declining difference between them. In saying that, I still like Live's graphics and everything seems to be in high resolutions with much detail compared to 2K which has blurry shoes, jerseys and coaches that still haven't made that next gen switch. Live's attention to detail always did impress me though, just wish they would put more of that detail in the gameplay.

                            Hopefully Live 10 really competes this year. We've just seen screens of Live 10, but as I recall before Live 07's release when they interviewed one of the poducers of Live on Gamespot, he said the game "plays as good as it looks", and we all know how that turned out.

                            Good post though BSHADOWS

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                            • #15
                              Muzyk23
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                              • Feb 2003
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                              Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!


                              Re: BSHADOWS RETURNS: Live 07 6 videos 159 screenshots!

                              absolutely like the court size - sooo big! nice
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