Question About Live's Ratings and How Synergy Affects Them.

[DC]

How are non-tendency based ratings calculated by Synergy? I know Synergy takes care of tendencies. But how are categories like:

Speed
Quickness
Leaping
Handles
Strength

Or are these done by a human? I know Live has a THOUSAND rating categories, so I am just curious as to how this is done.

I can't imagine how Synergy can determine someone's speed.

[RayDog253]

Re: Question About Live's Ratings and How Synergy Affects Them.

unless they got some kind of combine data, I don't see how it all isn't a matter of opinions.

[RayAllen20]

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synergy doesnt but it gives them the oppurtunity to see all the plays of that player in the open court. That way they have a better understanding of that players speed compared to 2k. Synergy can show you every play one player has ever made. Then you have option of looking at plays of him attacking the basket, fastbreaks, pick and rolls,etc. Thats why these ratings are way better than the 2k insider.

[stephensonmc]

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How are non-tendency based ratings calculated by Synergy? I know Synergy takes care of tendencies. But how are categories like:

Speed
Quickness
Leaping
Handles
Strength

Or are these done by a human? I know Live has a THOUSAND rating categories, so I am just curious as to how this is done.

I can't imagine how Synergy can determine someone's speed.

Good question DC. We're trying to move away from ratings, to hopefully completely away from ratings in the near future. With that said, we still do have some ratings in our game as a representative of a player's effectiveness in that category. Although you'll be surprised to see a lot less ratings in our game, and more dynamic DNA.

Garreth Reeder will talk more about this, but we're trying to shift your focus from ratings to DNA to determine a player's effectiveness. More on this later DC.

[RayAllen20]

Re: Question About Live's Ratings and How Synergy Affects Them.

Good question DC. We're trying to move away from ratings, to hopefully completely away from ratings in the near future. With that said, we still do have some ratings in our game as a representative of a player's effectiveness in that category. Although you'll be surprised to see a lot less ratings in our game, and more dynamic DNA.

Garreth Reeder will talk more about this, but we're trying to shift your focus from ratings to DNA to determine a player's effectiveness. More on this later DC.

Thats cool. Ive always wanted a game without ratings. Players in real life dont have ratings but they have tendencies and special skills to them like highflyer and 3 point specialist. DNA would have to do a lot of stuff though. Would be crazy if you prefected this.

[23bluesman]

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Good question DC. We're trying to move away from ratings, to hopefully completely away from ratings in the near future. With that said, we still do have some ratings in our game as a representative of a player's effectiveness in that category. Although you'll be surprised to see a lot less ratings in our game, and more dynamic DNA.

Garreth Reeder will talk more about this, but we're trying to shift your focus from ratings to DNA to determine a player's effectiveness. More on this later DC.

Hmmm...interesting..

[michaeljordanjr]

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what differentiates synergy from 82games.com?

Synergy right now is a huge sell for me

[DC]

Re: Question About Live's Ratings and How Synergy Affects Them.

Thats cool. Ive always wanted a game without ratings. Players in real life dont have ratings but they have tendencies and special skills to them like highflyer and 3 point specialist. DNA would have to do a lot of stuff though. Would be crazy if you prefected this.

Same here man. I hate ratings

[Stumbleweed]

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As far as I'm aware, 82games.com doesn't have every single play categorized and available for viewing on video while that's what Synergy's main focus is. 82games does have a premium paid membership though, and I'm not sure what all you can get there... I think it's just more complete/advanced stats and better search/archiving tools than are available on the free public site.

But yeah, Synergy is crazy and that's why every NBA team is using it now -- when it first came out I remember reading about it on TrueHoop and praying they have a free public version with limited data... Live is the best thing we can get to that, still no video though. With full Synergy access, you could for example view every single play where Melo isolated on the left wing and attacked the basket dribbling with his right hand, finishing the play with a layup and getting the foul. The level of scouting that came with Synergy is amazing compared to the pen-and-paper/game tape kind of stuff that teams were using for the longest time prior to it. They use Synergy data to make stat/tendency sheets to give to smart and aware players like Shane Battier to get him to force his check in bad directions, shoot from bad spots on the floor, etc. Pretty cool stuff.

[stephensonmc]

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what differentiates synergy from 82games.com?

Synergy right now is a huge sell for me

It's too long to type and we've spoken about Synergy ad nauseum, so I'll write two words:

authenticity and depth

[wrestlinggod1]

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It's too long to type and we've spoken about Synergy ad nauseum, so I'll write two words:

authenticity and depth

i don't get the difference. aren't they like the same thing? is there like some product description for them?

[iminurbase]

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i don't get the difference. aren't they like the same thing? is there like some product description for them?

I'll be blogging about it later. The main thing is Synergy has people watch every single game in the NBA and actually log what everyone does in every play. So for example when Kobe scores, someone writes down the set play they ran, how Kobe scored, who passed to him, what hand was he dribbling with, the time on the shot clock etc., etc. Multiply that by 1200 games per year and around 500 players and you start to get an idea on the depth they have. Kobe's Synergy breakdown on their site is pages and pages and pages. Its ridiculous.

[Stumbleweed]

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That's so awesome to have all that stuff available... I still really want a membership, but even the public/media one is really expensive. So cool that we get an "acted out" version of that data in Live this year... I also appreciate that you guys show the DNA information prominently, as it's interesting to look at just for knowledge's sake.

[iminurbase]

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As an example of depth, I just took a look at Kobe's pick and rolls on the left side of the floor. They have the percentage break downs of the following:

Early jumper
Uses pick
- defender goes over
- defender goes under
- defender goes into pick
- takes a dribble J
- takes it to the baset
goes away from pick
- takes dribble jumper
- takes it to basket
Splits defenders
- takes dribble jumper
- takes it to basket

Now, this is just Kobe, and just pick and rolls, and just the left side of the floor. Now imagine this kind of detail for every conceiveable play type and player in the NBA, both cumulatively for the season and FOR EVERY SINGLE GAME. The kind of information above can only be determined from someone watching games and writing everything down.

We are getting some really cool new data from Synergy this year (not the stuff above), but as you can see we've only scratched the surface of what we can tap into. Exciting times ahead.

[23]

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That is pretty ridiculous!