NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

[SpSoloSr]

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After adjusting the speed of the game, and really concentrating on what I'm trying to accomplish on the court, I've found myself very "comfortable" with the game. I'm sure that the full release will be drastically better, but I do have one major concern that I'm not sure has been brought up before.

Is anyone else kinda erk by the lack of "Weight Distribution" and "Gather Animations" in the game?

I know when guys talk about sliding, I never really get what they're saying aside from what I possibly figure is the way Live players move without much force. The whole foot-planting and momentum based systems don't make much sense to me if I can't feel it. These are (to me) most prevalent on the defensive end and in the rebound game.

[bls]

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I think what Pared is trying to say is that their are some perimeter defenders that play with a physical style such as using their hands, bumping a guy or even bodying up on a player.

Ron Artest is more of physical perimeter defender as opposed to a guy who has quik feet like Devin Harris out in space.

There are some guys because of reputation who can get away with being more physical on the perimeter than others. Jason Kidd is another guy who uses his size and strength to try and impede a guys progress.

The problem in the demo is that PHYSICAL PLAY is limited inside or outside because the game doesn't have much physicallity or a sense of player weight being utilized.

That might have been corrected already in the final version.....but i think that is what Pared was trying to say from his reading post.

Right now Live rewards you from moving your feet but there are other defensive tactics certain guys use to their advantage because they aren't great defenders based on foot speed alone.

I'd like to see a guy like Harris actually draw charges out in space since he does a great job of beating guys to a spot and then i'd like to see someone like Artest physically stop and offensive player because o his stength not because of his feet because Artest has never been a guy that beats you with foot movement he's always played guys physical and pushed them aound and i think we all know that Bruce Bowen used a combination of both foot movement and physical play.

Maybe in the future they could categorize guys differently as defenders

Physical Defender
Smart Defender
Quick Defender
Kinda like how Madden seperates their defenders by category

Check out this video and let me know who makes contact FIRST

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[bls]

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I agree with pared in the sense that defense controls can always get better. I also agree with Born on the need for better execution from your AI teammates.

I do disagree on the premise that because more can be added to the defensive controls, that the defense is not now adequate enough to replicate realistic man on man defense. I am not saying that to say that is what Pared is saying.

Simply put I am enjoying the challenge of playing on ball defense this year. In the no handcheck era of the nba I don't believe the type of defense control to "force" offensive players in a direction would necessarily be a simulation of the nba game.

More tools are always welcome but at this point when playing I don't find myself at the mercy of the offense anymore than when playing real life basketball. You are free to overplay a side and with the right defender cause contract to encourage the offensive player to go to one side or the other.

So I am not of the opinion that the defense can't be improved. I do believe though that we have to tools necessary to have a balanced game of offense vs defense with the exception of our AI teammates who need to play more like themselves when not in our control.

Thank you Czar!!!!!!! 100% Co-signing

[bls]

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Just had a play where Bynum got hit on a layup and fell to the ground, still made the shot. I was inbounding, Nelson was going down the court and hopped over Bynum. Carter threw the ball in anyways and Bynum was able to get it, went in for a layup as Carter fouled him. I thought that sequence was so true to life. Nice touch right their.

[TheKasmar]

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I'm glad you posted that video. It's nice to see that type of defense since it doesn't happen often enough in Live. When Aretest jumped, he jump towards Ginobli, or where the offensive player going. In the live demo sometimes, not all the time, my defender will jump straight up in the air, or even worse, in the opposite direction.

[Playmakers]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

After adjusting the speed of the game, and really concentrating on what I'm trying to accomplish on the court, I've found myself very "comfortable" with the game. I'm sure that the full release will be drastically better, but I do have one major concern that I'm not sure has been brought up before.

Is anyone else kinda erk by the lack of "Weight Distribution" and "Gather Animations" in the game?

I know when guys talk about sliding, I never really get what they're saying aside from what I possibly figure is the way Live players move without much force. The whole foot-planting and momentum based systems don't make much sense to me if I can't feel it. These are (to me) most prevalent on the defensive end and in the rebound game.

I think they scrapped the footplanting system this year. It's too bad because I thought it was nice and the sliding was definetly eliminated with that system.

[SpSoloSr]

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I think they scrapped the footplanting system this year. It's too bad because I thought it was nice and the sliding was definetly eliminated with that system.

It definitely shows on the defensive end. I can't stay in front of Dwight 10ft. from the basket without losing control of my defender...no offense to Dwight fans.

[lasthour]

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THANK YOU CZAR.

Without getting into a lengthy drawn out response.

I just want to ask you guys what exactly do you think defense is...and how can you nto play adequate defense in this game.?? what OTHER controls do THINK you need?

You can funnel the ball handler into your D, into the baseline, you can play angles (and it matters), you can 'bait' them into taking a shot you want, you can contest jumpers...you can strip the ball during layups, you can play 'physical' defense...

Im really trying to figure out what else do you guys think you need to do in order to play effective d...Theyve given us all the damn tools.

The ONLY thing im waiting for is for the first game to make the ball its own object (even during animations) and reward the user with proper timing, allowing them to knock it out during reach ins, so thats not so random "flip a coin".

sometimes i swear to god people just like to complain to complain.

Great post. The cheesers are not feeling the defense, lol. Now they got to man up and play realistic defense. The sad part is they thought they had been playing real d, and now they refuse to adjust and instead they fuss about something that is fixed.

They want it broken again. LOL.

[oOausarOo]

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For my needs the only test of defense will be user vs. user online.

[Playmakers]

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Great post. The cheesers are not feeling the defense, lol. Now they got to man up and play realistic defense. The sad part is they thought they had been playing real d, and now they refuse to adjust and instead they fuss about something that is fixed.

They want it broken again. LOL.

I think what most of you guys are missing is the two different types of defense.

TEAM DEFENSE
INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE

The only defense that I see improved is INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE....

I think a lot of guys have clearly stated the TEAM DEFENSE by the HUMAN CONTROLLED PLAYERS IS BAD. They don't react or do much of anything unless you control them all game.

Now ask yourself when your playing ball in the gym and you defending your man don't you expect the other 4 guys to give an effort on the floor?

Well in Live 10 the resason why you keep seeing so many different people post about defense is because most of them as they stated are playing defense individualy but their brain dead AI teammates are screwing up most of the time.

I mean lets be real here there is NO DNA FOR DEFENDERS in this game. There is only truly one defensive rating in the entire game and that applys to the guy defending the ball 1 on 1

It's called ON BALL DEFENSE

There is no Help Defense rating for anyone so when your not controlling Ron Artest or Kobe Bryant guess what their defense is no better than Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter on their own.

Why should we have to control Ron Artest just to see him help out or shut down someone on on his own.....

IF Ron Artest is on your team and you assign him to Vince Carter shouldn't expect Ron Artest to play the same way he'd play if you were controlling him?

Well he doesn't and I've seen M.Pietrus have his way with Artest on many occassions if I don't switch over to Artest. Sure you'll get the online guys who will say well that doesn't concern me because I play all my games online.

But what about the guy who enjoys Human vs CPU Play where this problem comes into play more often?

[Bootzilla]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I think what most of you guys are missing is the two different types of defense.

TEAM DEFENSE
INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE

The only defense that I see improved is INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE....

I think a lot of guys have clearly stated the TEAM DEFENSE by the HUMAN CONTROLLED PLAYERS IS BAD. They don't react or do much of anything unless you control them all game.

Now ask yourself when your playing ball in the gym and you defending your man don't you expect the other 4 guys to give an effort on the floor?

Well in Live 10 the resason why you keep seeing so many different people post about defense is because most of them as they stated are playing defense individualy but their brain dead AI teammates are screwing up most of the time.

I mean lets be real here there is NO DNA FOR DEFENDERS in this game. There is only truly one defensive rating in the entire game and that applys to the guy defending the ball 1 on 1

It's called ON BALL DEFENSE

There is no Help Defense rating for anyone so when your not controlling Ron Artest or Kobe Bryant guess what their defense is no better than Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter on their own.

Why should we have to control Ron Artest just to see him help out or shut down someone on on his own.....

IF Ron Artest is on your team and you assign him to Vince Carter shouldn't expect Ron Artest to play the same way he'd play if you were controlling him?

Well he doesn't and I've seen M.Pietrus have his way with Artest on many occassions if I don't switch over to Artest. Sure you'll get the online guys who will say well that doesn't concern me because I play all my games online.

But what about the guy who enjoys Human vs CPU Play where this problem comes into play more often?

That's why I was wondering if all of the sliders are in the demo. Why wouldn't Contest Shot and Help Defense be available as sliders for human controlled teams? Weren't they available before? If those sliders are available as well as steals and play passing lanes all of the defensive problems people are having will be remedied.

[sportyguyfl31]

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That's why I was wondering if all of the sliders are in the demo. Why wouldn't Contest Shot and Help Defense be available as sliders for human controlled teams? Weren't they available before? If those sliders are available as well as steals and play passing lanes all of the defensive problems people are having will be remedied.

I'm sure there would be..wouldnt make a dang bit of sense to take them out.

[sportyguyfl31]

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I have yet to really sink my teeth into the demo, as i have been in a football wonderland.

For me, though, the number 1 thing for D is controller responsiveness.

I felt this was lacking in 09, as I would get sucked, and th unsucked, and I felt like i had little control over my contest, and if the contest adn proximity of my defender was actually effecting the shot.

What I would o in 09 is just ride the ball handler, try to force him into yello or cold zones, and take my chances.

I dont see hot or cold zones mapped out for players on the court in what little of the demo ive palyed, so im looking forward to really seeing how the mechanics and controls work for myself.

[Playmakers]

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That's why I was wondering if all of the sliders are in the demo. Why wouldn't Contest Shot and Help Defense be available as sliders for human controlled teams? Weren't they available before? If those sliders are available as well as steals and play passing lanes all of the defensive problems people are having will be remedied.

They removed just about any defensive slider you can think of accept blocks, steals and on ball defense.

What a coincendence they leave the 3 basic fundemental sliders in the game. All 3 that pertain to the Human player when he is playing on the ball himself.

Then they dummied down the human defenders and presto it appears the cpu is more competitve now......well that's because you dummied down the human players and switching to every man is now a MUST if you want your defenders to play like the CPU defenders.

[phant030]

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The problem i see is with outside shot contesting. My CPU teammates play pretty good D other wise imo.