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  • fluent2332
    MVP
    • Aug 2005
    • 1735

    #1

    Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

    Just want to say, love this game so far, love the chess match aspect of it, but these glitches take away ALOT from the strategic aspect of this game. I will explain what they are and why they take away from the game:

    1. "Starting 5" Auto-Subs Does Not Work
    If you bring up your sub-menu and go to your "starting 5" package substitution, it does not work. The other packages seem to work OK, but Starting 5 just keeps the same guys you already have on the floor. I am only speaking for the "quick sub" menu that you bring up by pressing up on the directional pad. This is a big issue considering #2 and how hard it is to sub in the first place.

    2. Controller Buttons ADVANCING Screens and Cutscenes While Subbing!!
    This is huge to me. When you try to quick-sub during highlights, replays, cut scenes, foul shot routines, or end of quarter/half breakdowns, the game thinks you are pressing A in order to advance the game. This makes subbing in those situations impossible, because when you press A to sub someone it advances the game, leaving you with the same lineup you just had and the game continues.

    PLEASE, please, please patch this. This takes away a ton of strategy from the game because you cannot sub on the fly as effectively as you would like, and you end up having to burn a timeout or foul someone, just to get your guys in.

    3. Quick Sub Menu Is Interrupted For No Reason!
    Another extreme annoyance that adds to the quick sub debacle. I'll be changing subs in the quick sub menu and the computer will score, only to close out my sub menu to have me inbound the ball. Sometimes it automatically does this. Other times I will have to manually close out because the AI will not take over for me on offense and throw the ball in. Again, very, very annoying, and takes away from the strategy of substitutions. Sometimes the team presentation overlays (when it flashes "Sixers" for a second on the screen as part of the presentation) will interrupt the quick subbing as well. Sometimes the screen closes for no apparent reason also.

    4. Auto-sub Broken Online

    Online play, If you set substitutions to manual, it still subs automatically and you have no say over it. I don't think it happens offline, just in online ranked games (haven't played unranked yet to check if it happens there)

    Also, during FT routines you should have more access to the auto-sub menu. Comon guys, this is a huge part to strategic gameplay. I don't want to pause the game every 2 minutes to bring up my substitution menu, it completely takes you out of the game. This is coming from a "sim-head" who plays the game like it should be played. 98% of this game is awesome but these few annoyances are killing me.

    I would also add that as many have mentioned, we need more CPU called timeouts. Even if it's just at the 3 minute mark of the first quarter, Just a simple patch to add a "TV Timeout" would help tremendously in this aspect. I don't like being the only one calling timeouts in order to get my guys in. The computer should recognize this also

    If you fix these issues it would add quite a bit to the strategic aspect of the game. Thank you
    Last edited by fluent2332; 10-07-2009, 04:32 AM.
  • stephensonmc
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    • Mar 2003
    • 2105

    #2
    Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

    ugh, we need an issues thread guys. Can someone set one up? All these are getting confusing...
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    • Jamin23
      MVP
      • Feb 2009
      • 2751

      #3
      Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

      Originally posted by stephensonmc
      ugh, we need an issues thread guys. Can someone set one up? All these are getting confusing...
      There already is one. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...st-thread.html :wink:
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      • fluent2332
        MVP
        • Aug 2005
        • 1735

        #4
        Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

        I just felt this needed it's own thread, and that would be less confusing than reading through 100s of responses. I didn't want to risk this issue not getting patched, because it is such a huge issue to the people who play the game as it is truly supposed to be played.

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        • DW3
          MVP
          • Oct 2005
          • 1056

          #5
          Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

          Originally posted by stephensonmc
          ugh, we need an issues thread guys. Can someone set one up? All these are getting confusing...

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          • fluent2332
            MVP
            • Aug 2005
            • 1735

            #6
            Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

            New issue related to subbing -

            Auto-sub is broken online. If you set substitutions to manual, it still subs automatically and you have no say over it. I don't think it happens offline, just in online ranked games (haven't played unranked yet to check if it happens there)

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            • fluent2332
              MVP
              • Aug 2005
              • 1735

              #7
              Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

              Updated with #3 and #4

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              • riDIRKulous41
                Pro
                • Jan 2003
                • 724

                #8
                Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                I agree with #1,2 and 3. while they aren't gamebreaker, they are very annoying and frustrating when u have to constantly go back and fix....I end up having to waste timeouts so my gameplay doesn't suffer

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                • Benicio10
                  Pro
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 670

                  #9
                  Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                  Thank you, thank you, thank you...

                  This annoyed me to no end last night. I end up playing with my first 5 the whole game cuz it's a pain to sub players in and out!!! every time i try it's like the game is telling me no you can't.

                  I PMed Beluba about this as well.

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                  • Stumbleweed
                    Livin' the dream
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 6279

                    #10
                    Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                    Yeah, I co-sign all of these necessary improvements. Those lineups are useful, but not being able to quickly go back to your starting 5 makes it kinda worthless.
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                    • fluent2332
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 1735

                      #11
                      Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                      thanks fellas. i just wanted to make this as out in the open as possible, because i feel it ruins the substitution strategy aspect of the game, which as everyone knows is extremely important to the immersion, fun factor, realism, etc etc, of the game.

                      in other words, very important to patch :wink:

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                      • DTX3
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 13022

                        #12
                        Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                        Originally posted by fluent2332
                        Just want to say, love this game so far, love the chess match aspect of it, but these glitches take away ALOT from the strategic aspect of this game. I will explain what they are and why they take away from the game:

                        1. "Starting 5" Auto-Subs Does Not Work
                        If you bring up your sub-menu and go to your "starting 5" package substitution, it does not work. The other packages seem to work OK, but Starting 5 just keeps the same guys you already have on the floor. I am only speaking for the "quick sub" menu that you bring up by pressing up on the directional pad. This is a big issue considering #2 and how hard it is to sub in the first place.

                        2. Controller Buttons ADVANCING Screens and Cutscenes While Subbing!!
                        This is huge to me. When you try to quick-sub during highlights, replays, cut scenes, foul shot routines, or end of quarter/half breakdowns, the game thinks you are pressing A in order to advance the game. This makes subbing in those situations impossible, because when you press A to sub someone it advances the game, leaving you with the same lineup you just had and the game continues.

                        PLEASE, please, please patch this. This takes away a ton of strategy from the game because you cannot sub on the fly as effectively as you would like, and you end up having to burn a timeout or foul someone, just to get your guys in.

                        3. Quick Sub Menu Is Interrupted For No Reason!
                        Another extreme annoyance that adds to the quick sub debacle. I'll be changing subs in the quick sub menu and the computer will score, only to close out my sub menu to have me inbound the ball. Sometimes it automatically does this. Other times I will have to manually close out because the AI will not take over for me on offense and throw the ball in. Again, very, very annoying, and takes away from the strategy of substitutions. Sometimes the team presentation overlays (when it flashes "Sixers" for a second on the screen as part of the presentation) will interrupt the quick subbing as well. Sometimes the screen closes for no apparent reason also.

                        4. Auto-sub Broken Online

                        Online play, If you set substitutions to manual, it still subs automatically and you have no say over it. I don't think it happens offline, just in online ranked games (haven't played unranked yet to check if it happens there)

                        Also, during FT routines you should have more access to the auto-sub menu. Comon guys, this is a huge part to strategic gameplay. I don't want to pause the game every 2 minutes to bring up my substitution menu, it completely takes you out of the game. This is coming from a "sim-head" who plays the game like it should be played. 98% of this game is awesome but these few annoyances are killing me.

                        I would also add that as many have mentioned, we need more CPU called timeouts. Even if it's just at the 3 minute mark of the first quarter, Just a simple patch to add a "TV Timeout" would help tremendously in this aspect. I don't like being the only one calling timeouts in order to get my guys in. The computer should recognize this also

                        If you fix these issues it would add quite a bit to the strategic aspect of the game. Thank you
                        I completely agree with this entire post. Should post it in the patch thread though.

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                        • bigdfan76
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 655

                          #13
                          Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                          Originally posted by Stumbleweed
                          Yeah, I co-sign all of these necessary improvements. Those lineups are useful, but not being able to quickly go back to your starting 5 makes it kinda worthless.
                          Ditto
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                          • Tengo Juego
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 2524

                            #14
                            Re: Developers Please Read: Substitution Glitches

                            I kept trying to do this in my first full game just now. And was like WTF? Why isn't it working? Now I see...

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