Hate to say it but this game seems scripted

[ronnieb]

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yep, what 23 said. it's very easy to be lulled into playing a fast paced game and all of a sudden you get run out of the building.

this game mimics the real nba. it will punish you and make you sit in the corner if you don't play smart basketball. teams are going to go on runs, will you be able to slow them down? it takes a strong resolve and a lot of patience to do so. go to your go to guys on offense. no pick and rolls with role players. no quick shots with RPers. i could write a short essay on the topic so i'll stop here. i just strongly urge those who feel its 'scripted' to really take their time and figure the game out more. if people still need help after that, maybe i'll post an in depth topic about it

please create the topic i have not being able to beat the computer on all star yet .
Even yesterday i try a big team i was the lakers facing the jazz
i begun the game with a great run i was 28-14 at the end of first
ten points lead at the half and as usual they blow me in the third and even worst on the 4 th, i lost by fifteen

[The_Glow]

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I'm gonna try on allstar because at the moment you lot sound like you just dont like losing. I'm with donkey at the moment being that i sure you can stop these runs, but then i havent tried it out yet, maybe i'll be proved wrong.

[fluent2332]

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it just can't be said enough (so i'll say it again)

you have to play focused, smart basketball for 48 minutes.

no team plays perfect basketball for 48 minutes, and you're going to have some poor stretches, but the key is to minimize those stretches as much as possible. so in theory you have to TRY to play a perfect 48 minute game

even on top of that, it's still the NBA, and you're still going to lose games. good teams are going to go runs just like that, and you will either get salty that you got runned out of your own building, or you'll understand that that's real NBA play. you can't think you're going to beat teams you shouldn't be beating on a regular basis, no matter how good you play, in the end you're still outmanned by a better team.

example, as the 6ers i kept up with the celtics for 3 and a half quarters, until they finally woke up and started trying, they opened the game up in the 4th. that's not scripted, it's what happens when you think you can beat one of the best teams in the NBA with a bottom tiered team. eventually they are going to wake up and end the game. sometimes they don't, but the numbers suggest they will do that most of the time. there were also some dumb turnovers on my part that didn't help. you literally have to value every possession against a team like that.

next game i came back and beat up on the nets. they gave me scares too, but i was able to play a smart game all game long and minimized my bad stretches. it helped that they are the nets too (as it would in the real NBA)

that's not to say you can't win, you definitely can, on any given game in live10 i feel i can just as easily win as i can lose, but just like real life, it ain't easy to win

[Nines]

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To try out this theory of scripted gameplay I tried something this morning. I played 5 games (All Star, 10 min quarters) as Cavs Vs Celtics.

Here's the trick... If you are tempted to play uptempo basketball, pounding the ball up the floor for quick shots, RESIST THE URGE. Play at a slow and deliberate, almost lethargic pace, and you'll easily maintain leads. The first two games they mounted 4th quarter offensives that had me reeing, but when I tried this out I won the next three easily. The last was by 16 points.

[sportyguyfl31]

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I dont get it, and I give up.

We finally have a sim game where you can actually play, sensible, manual, on ball position defense, and try to influence the man you are guarding, to take shots according to their real life %'s, and people simply do not want to do it.

We have all of this at our disposal, yet folks still want to be spectators on defense with the PG or C.

I cant tell you how many times I have seen the CPU come up empty multiple trips in a row, throwing up all kinds of crap, because I have defended them into doing it.

You absolutely, cannot play spectator defense in this game. Stop trying to do it.

outside of the legit free throw shooting, Ive come to the conclusion that the biggest problem is that some people are being stubborn.

[Bootzilla]

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it just can't be said enough (so i'll say it again)

you have to play focused, smart basketball for 48 minutes.

no team plays perfect basketball for 48 minutes, and you're going to have some poor stretches, but the key is to minimize those stretches as much as possible. so in theory you have to TRY to play a perfect 48 minute game

even on top of that, it's still the NBA, and you're still going to lose games. good teams are going to go runs just like that, and you will either get salty that you got runned out of your own building, or you'll understand that that's real NBA play. you can't think you're going to beat teams you shouldn't be beating on a regular basis, no matter how good you play, in the end you're still outmanned by a better team.

example, as the 6ers i kept up with the celtics for 3 and a half quarters, until they finally woke up and started trying, they opened the game up in the 4th. that's not scripted, it's what happens when you think you can beat one of the best teams in the NBA with a bottom tiered team. eventually they are going to wake up and end the game. sometimes they don't, but the numbers suggest they will do that most of the time. there were also some dumb turnovers on my part that didn't help. you literally have to value every possession against a team like that.

next game i came back and beat up on the nets. they gave me scares too, but i was able to play a smart game all game long and minimized my bad stretches. it helped that they are the nets too (as it would in the real NBA)

that's not to say you can't win, you definitely can, on any given game in live10 i feel i can just as easily win as i can lose, but just like real life, it ain't easy to win

I think people are still getting it twisted. Yes you can win. Yes you can hold off runs. But, not all teams play a deliberate style. And there is not a run or comeback in every game. Especially when one team is superior.

[Bootzilla]

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I dont get it, and I give up.

We finally have a sim game where you can actually play, sensible, manual, on ball position defense, and try to influence the man you are guarding, to take shots according to their real life %'s, and people simply do not want to do it.

We have all of this at our disposal, yet folks still want to be spectators on defense with the PG or C.

I cant tell you how many times I have seen the CPU come up empty multiple trips in a row, throwing up all kinds of crap, because I have defended them into doing it.

You absolutely, cannot play spectator defense in this game. Stop trying to do it.

outside of the legit free throw shooting, Ive come to the conclusion that the biggest problem is that some people are being stubborn.

I play on ball defense but when the runs happen especially against up tempo teams it's one pass up the floor and before you can switch the shot is up. And when you do switch you can hardly affect the shot because your defender decides to be 4 ft away unable to close out. During runs the cpu team will take less than 4 seconds off of the shot clock and find wide open shooters. They weren't doing it all game and they do it just long enough to catch up.

[Bootzilla]

Re: Hate to say it but this game seems scripted

To try out this theory of scripted gameplay I tried something this morning. I played 5 games (All Star, 10 min quarters) as Cavs Vs Celtics.

Here's the trick... If you are tempted to play uptempo basketball, pounding the ball up the floor for quick shots, RESIST THE URGE. Play at a slow and deliberate, almost lethargic pace, and you'll easily maintain leads. The first two games they mounted 4th quarter offensives that had me reeing, but when I tried this out I won the next three easily. The last was by 16 points.

Depends on the team. If you're the Nuggets keep pushing. I went slow down and deliberate and couldn't do crap. When I kept pushing I started winning with them. I think the whole tempo thing is key. However, runs still happen every game so, it doesn't matter whether or not you can weather a storm it's knowing that every time you play there's gonna be a storm. Maybe it'll be more varied in Season games. But, Play Now games seem to all play out the same for me.

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

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I disagree. Guys pop up and have great games all of the time. I prefer that the game depict that all of these guys have the ability to do what they really do as opposed to limiting them to the perception of what they're capable of. The difference between a Dirk & a Bonner is in how many different ways they can get 20/11 not flat out that one can't one can. I don't want to sound like i'm talking down to anyone because I have seen that happening alot recently on this forum but I think its a case of having role players be capable role players instead of it being a game of stars.

I agree with this. Ex: I played a 5 game series with the Heat vs Atl(home). The first game I couldn't get a thing going. Wade got his #'s but no one else showed up to play. JJohnson & Wade both put on a show. The 2nd game, I adjusted, I looked to get Wade off early to start drawing the double teams and looked to kick it out. In comes Chris Quinn! After an explosive 1st 6-7 minutes(10pts 4 reb) from Wade, the hawks start baiting the double team. Once they committed I would kick the ball out to Quinn. The CPU failed to adjust and by the end of the 1st half, Quinn shot 7-9 for 16 pts & I lead by 12. I did loses the game but because lack of concentration (daughter craving attention).

3rd game, I trying this same strategy but Quinn just couldn't get it rolling. Wade played flat also, but beasley and o'neal came to play.

In short, I do believe the game is scripted to a certain degree. Ever heard "go to the well til it's dry" well it holds true to this game. Once your hot hand goes cold, look for other options...

[Whaaaazuuuuup]

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I dont get it, and I give up.

We finally have a sim game where you can actually play, sensible, manual, on ball position defense, and try to influence the man you are guarding, to take shots according to their real life %'s, and people simply do not want to do it.

We have all of this at our disposal, yet folks still want to be spectators on defense with the PG or C.

I cant tell you how many times I have seen the CPU come up empty multiple trips in a row, throwing up all kinds of crap, because I have defended them into doing it.

You absolutely, cannot play spectator defense in this game. Stop trying to do it.

outside of the legit free throw shooting, Ive come to the conclusion that the biggest problem is that some people are being stubborn.

Ditto! I'm staring to question if these dudes are playin same game, if so are they tryin to play it like the other game. This game plays COMPLETELY different from that game...

[TreyIM2]

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please create the topic i have not being able to beat the computer on all star yet .
Even yesterday i try a big team i was the lakers facing the jazz
i begun the game with a great run i was 28-14 at the end of first
ten points lead at the half and as usual they blow me in the third and even worst on the 4 th, i lost by fifteen

Lol. I remember this in my "early days" of playing Live 10. I couldn't win on All-Star for Sugar Honey Ice Tea through my first 10-12 games or so. I would play not just great teams like the Lakers but supposedly garbage teams like the Wolves and would somehow lose. Know why? I was getting used to the game...and I also had a bit too much caffeine early on, adding to my frustrations. Lol. The one game where I was on the cusp of winning with my Nets was against the Cavs IN Cleveland, no less, when the CPU called a time out with about 3-5 seconds to go and I was up by 2 then I hit the X button to get out of the time out cutscene when my game FROZE!! Talk about caffeine fueled anger! I couldn't chalk it up as a win because technically, the game wasn't over but I took solace in the fact that I played the ALMIGHTY CLEVELAND CAVALIERS very well enough to win. Unfortunately, I went on to lose more games, thereafter. Lol. And I even tweaked and adjusted sliders to keep it "more realistic" and fair but still kept losing.

It was just getting used to the game and NOT playing like I was playing either old Lives or 2Ks. I started pulling it all together, learning how the game plays, staying focused, using all my in-game tools and basketball I.Q. Since then, I've lost 1 game, just today, against the Spurs, in MY building but I had some caffeine yet I played a rematch and beat them, after a tight game then pulling away down the stretch.

I say all this to tell u to stay focused and use your real life b-ball brain, if you have one, NOT just your video game console b-ball brain. It takes time, young padawan.

[Jamesmaster]

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It definately forces you to play more realistic than in any other bball game, but still there are things which are just wrong, e.g. the CPU getting a huge amount of offensive rebounds e.g. Nick Collison having 15 boards against Bynum and Gasol, that's just wrong.

I probably don't know how to play tight defense, but when PF's and Centers do ballerina like spin moves in the paint (which are difficult to stop), than something is not realistic. I also have the impression that in post up situations, CPU big guys can get past you very easily and quickly to go for a dunk. I don't know how to stop that.

[joel0078]

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There is no context in the OP though, he basically saying that a certain player shouldnt miss an open shot or should hit 66% from 3 attempts.

What Carnal is saying is to factor in aspects such as fatigue ect.

I think it's a fair point.

My post was written about playing online games..I haven't even started playing games against the computer yet. Fatigue is not an issue, as these are problems that are happening online, too. Fatigue is set to off online, in ranked matches. Plain and simply put, there are times when it seems everyone on your team just falls apart and reverts to their high school junior varsity skills, while the team your playing goes on a ridiculously hot run, playing like all stars. I understand it happens in real life and I understand players miss layups and jumpers too. IMO though, it's happened to many times to me in this game (online) and I can't see it as being a coincidence.

Some of you guys just can't resist the urge to come in here and act like we have no idea what we're doing with this game, but you know it all. I wish it was as simple as timing your shot, or playing defense directly on whoever has the ball, or being forced to slow down the pace, even when using an uptempo team, etc....That really irritates me when someone comes in here and acts like they have the be all answer and everyone else just doesn't get it. You're not that special! Also, this certainly wouldn't be the first time that a basketball video game had that "magical comeback in the fourth" trait. It happens, so don't act like it's just "us". It's not a gamebreaker for me, but I feel there is a problem with this aspect of the game.

Edit:The_Glow, I'm not referring to you.

[The 24th Letter]

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Cant go two posts w/o hearing how the game is the GOAT or "not like the other game"...that really has nothing to do with anything lol Makes me think the lovin' is preventing some from seeing anything rather then them actually not seeing it...no shots....im just sayin'

[The 24th Letter]

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@ Boot.....yeah, at this point im winning games and having fun..thats not the issue...my problem is players like ronnie brewer hitting contested j's and random foul calls to seemingly keep the team in it...i absolutely have no problem with d will an booz doing that...