Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

It doesn't help that they messed up shot releases for players too, so it makes things worse.

I did notice that the correct release points are definitely not accurate or as they "should" be for quick release players. I have to hold long on certain players that release the shot quickly in order to make a shot.

I also have never seen anyone shoot above 40% in 3's in a game. Which leads me to believe DNA plays a role in the outcomes instead of circumstance.

[blues rocker]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I also have never seen anyone shoot above 40% in 3's in a game. Which leads me to believe DNA plays a role in the outcomes instead of circumstance.

Yep. The outcome of the game seems totally prescripted by the DNA. The game is not determined by how well you play on defense of offense. You can play great defense, but the CPU will still score all over you if it is a player with "good scoring DNA." So basically, the only way to win is to just jack up shots with "good scorers" and not even worry about strategy. It totally makes playing defense worthless because the CPU is going to get its "prescripted DNA stats" no matter what you do.

[iminurbase]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

The DNA shooting %s are the real %s for all the players. That said, when a player takes a shot, we look at his 'average' %, then adjust it based on a lot of factors: release, guarded level, etc. etc. It's not scripted.

[blues rocker]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

The DNA shooting %s are the real %s for all the players. That said, when a player takes a shot, we look at his 'average' %, then adjust it based on a lot of factors: release, guarded level, etc. etc. It's not scripted.

Do you actually play the game? I do, and from my experience "guarded level" does not seem to be a factor. Maybe it's a flaw in the code that you need to look into, because the shot success seems totally random to me and not affected by whether the shot is wide open or defended. I will see good shooters miss tons of wide open shots, then I will see players nail tons of closely guarded shots. I understand that you might not have intended for it to be this way, but it needs to be looked at because what you claim doesn't match up with what I'm seeing in the game.

Maybe you just need to make "guarded level" a more powerful factor, because as of now it doesn't seem to have much of an effect. Maybe just lower the shot success more when players are contested so good defense has a more noticeable impact on the shots.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

The DNA shooting %s are the real %s for all the players. That said, when a player takes a shot, we look at his 'average' %, then adjust it based on a lot of factors: release, guarded level, etc. etc. It's not scripted.

If I had a video capturing device I'd record exactly what I'm seeing.

And that is, you'll have a guy jump directly in your face and the 3PT shot will swish. Then you'll have a wide open shot and perfect release with a high 3PT shooter and he'll miss.

So what ends up happening is I just let the CPU shoot my 3's and they end up making them randomly and never consistently but it's the only way I get points.

Again I have no way to record what I'm seeing otherwise I'd send you footage of my experiment to prove I'm not hallucinating.

It also seems there's one release point and it's the same for every player. So a shot meter would fix any assumptions for that..

I don't know how you'd fix the contested uncontested problem but it is real.

[blues rocker]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

If I had a video capturing device I'd record exactly what I'm seeing.

And that is, you'll have a guy jump directly in your face and the 3PT shot will swish. Then you'll have a wide open shot and perfect release with a high 3PT shooter and he'll miss.

So what ends up happening is I just let the CPU shoot my 3's and they end up making them randomly and never consistently but it's the only way I get points.

Again I have no way to record what I'm seeing otherwise I'd send you footage of my experiment to prove I'm not hallucinating.

It also seems there's one release point and it's the same for every player. So a shot meter would fix any assumptions for that..

I don't know how you'd fix the contested uncontested problem but it is real.

Yeah, many people are noticing this problem, so there is definitely some kind of flaw that is causing this.

[UK_Bullsfan]

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I dont agree with this at all, if you take 50 contested 3s and 50 open 3s in Live you'll always end up hitting less contested.

Sometimes players hit contested shots and sometimes they miss open shots. This is based on the DNA% with the chance of the shot going in or missing based on the players real life success rates. 2K works in exactly the same way, a player has a certain chance of hitting a certain type of shot assigned to them.. its just they dont put the percentage chance on show for the games players to see like Live does, instead you'll just get a mid range or 3pt rating.. the calculations are done behind the scenes but the result is exactly the same.

If you contest the shot it will always have a smaller chance of going in than if you just leave it open. Luck always plays a part and sometimes you can just be unlucky.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I dont agree with this at all, if you take 50 contested 3s and 50 open 3s in Live you'll always end up hitting less contested.

Sometimes players hit contested shots and sometimes they miss open shots. This is based on the DNA% with the chance of the shot going in or missing based on the players real life success rates. 2K works in exactly the same way, a player has a certain chance of hitting a certain type of shot assigned to them.. its just they dont put the percentage chance on show for the games players to see like Live does, instead you'll just get a mid range or 3pt rating.. the calculations are done behind the scenes but the result is exactly the same.

If you contest the shot it will always have a smaller chance of going in than if you just leave it open. Luck always plays a part and sometimes you can just be unlucky.

You missed the point of this thread. The contested shots are going in more than the uncontested shots....

[ILLSmak]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I promise you guys you're not releasing it right. I was playing online last night and my boy was making everything with Steph Curry. I think he went 8/8 or 9/9 (3s and long jumpers) IN THE FIRST QUARTER before everyone quit; They were all good shots. He released every shot the same.

There is a 'good release' in this game. Maybe you're just seeing that people who know how to release it are more successful contested than you are wide open?

-Smak

[NDIrish98]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I have been playing both 2k and Live back and forth to compare them, and I have to say Live seems pretty scripted. Shot success in Live is not based on whether you're open. Players will blow wide open jumpers and then make contested ones.

From my experience, 2k's shot success is almost totally determined by how open you are. In 2k, wide open shots go in most of the time, and contested shots miss most of the time. This is what you want, because it rewards you for getting open, and it rewards you on defense for staying on your man and cotesting the CPU's shots. Overall 2k just feels more rewarding to play because of this.

the scripted argument needs to be thrown out the window considering you're controlling one half of the teams playing, so how could that possibly make it scripted? i said before, has anyone ever seen a player hit every single wide open shot they take? i've actually seen in real life, guys hit a lot of shots with hands in their faces, so i dunno. and w/ 2K, you hit about 65% of all shots anyways regardless if they are contested or uncontested. i havent had any problems w/ this and happy w/ how my shot% is and honestly, people would complain if they were to hit every wide open shot but no contested shots, so , to each his own i guess, i've not had a problem and have not seen this.

[fluent2332]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

this place is so funny. because people don't know how to play the game = it's scripted, it has issues, it sucks, etc.

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[Da_Czar]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I'm definitely not making this up.

Even online I see my opponent missing wide open shots. It's gotten to a point where I see him shoot wide open and I don't care because I know most of the time he'll miss.

For some reason it's either the releases that are random and don't have a good release point due to the addition of multiple shots or its DNA that's messing it up.

NBA players mostly ALWAYS make wide open shots. And if its Ray Allen, he NEVER misses wide open.

This is an issue if we get enough people testing it out you'll see.

This type of oversimplification is killing the argument. Of COURSE people miss wide open shots. It happens all the time. Come on people since when does being wide open mean a shot goes in 100 percent of the time.

I'm not saying there is not an issue. I don't see one when I play however I don't play online right now either. That said no one shoots 100% of uncontested shots. when you make such gross oversimplifications it really clouds the issue and becomes more about proving reality than that there is an issue.

[bigsmallwood]

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This type of oversimplification is killing the argument. Of COURSE people miss wide open shots. It happens all the time. Come on people since when does being wide open mean a shot goes in 100 percent of the time.

I'm not saying there is not an issue. I don't see one when I play however I don't play online right now either. That said no one shoots 100% of uncontested shots. when you make such gross oversimplifications it really clouds the issue and becomes more about proving reality than that there is an issue.

This bothers me that people think that NBA Players make 100% of their open shots...doesn't happen!!!! They blow lay-ups/Dunks.....lose the ball...travel...etc....People need to understand what takes place in an actual NBA game...and yes...even the mighty Ray Allen misses PLENTY of wide open shots!

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

I'm not going to say that I agree with the OP exactly. I HIGHLY doubt that if you did the numbers, that the contested shots go in more than the same uncontested shots.

WITH THAT SAID, I agree that it feels that you don't get rewarded/punished enough for taking wide open/high contested shots respectively. I'm sure there are going to be folks that don't feel this way, but that's what I feel. This is noticed MORE on defense. I played a game with my friend, defending the heck out of him. He goes up by 20. In frustration, I say, "I may as well not even guard you...". He says, "Yeah, I think I've only missed the open shots..." After that, I eased up on the defense - came back. Now, I'm not saying that this is proof. It certainly is not meant to be. BUT, the game left that VERY strong impression on me and it would seem that others feel the same way. They are just expressing it differently.

So, as I said, I doubt the assertation of the OP is true, but if the statement was that the game doesn't account for shot openess strongly enough - I'm 100% in that camp.

[randombrother]

Re: Wide open shots miss more than contested shots

Guys I do not know how many minutes you all play but what I do know is anything past 9 minute quarters feels like a real game. See the problem with 5 minute Q\'s is that it is basically an ESPN highlight game. This game is the best I have seen at simulating a full game in 20 minutes BUT there is just so much that can be done in that time so is throws off a little of what you would expect. I urge all you guys who feel the way you feel to try just one 10 minute quarter or more game and then tell us how you felt the game played out.