Fatal Flaw in the DNA = 3pt abuse

[JWiLL02]

I just realized why online is so broken and it has to do with the DNA in the jumpshot situation breakdown. As it is there are %s for:

No Dribble Unguarded
No Dribble Guarded
Off the Dribble

Somethings missing there, right? WHY are there no seperate %s for off the dribble guarded and off the dribble unguarded.

Step back moves aren't the problem online, its this flaw in the DNA, which recognizes step backs as off the dribble shots. To all of those who have experienced 3pt abusers online you'll notice there's really no issue when it comes to set jumpers. Set 3s miss at the proper rate, and contesting them has a real effect.

As it is, as long as you're shooting off the dribble and don't get blocked the defense might as well not be there. At this point its all up to the %s.

Take Jameer Nelson, who seems to be the best player to abuse 3s with:

48% 3pt shots (this is too high in the first place, he shot 45% last year)
42% off the dribble

I'm assuming the game uses a combination of these 2 to create the outcome of each 3 he takes off the dribble. Basically he's going to shoot 40%+ every game as long as you take every shot off the dribble and don't get blocked.

Ideally there would be a new % added to the DNA that would take care of this, but if that's not possible there needs to be something added to make sure if a player is shooting a contested shot that original off the dribble % takes a big hit.

The game is basically unplayable online against randoms right now who realize this. It works on 2pt shots too. I had someone use the Mavs and shoot nothing but contested off the dribble mid range shots. He shot 60% for the game.

Please, any of the devs, are there plans to fix this?! This game's potential is incredible but this is a game killer if there ever was one.

Edit: Yes, I know there's an online section, but nobody goes in there!

[iminurbase]

Re: Fatal Flaw in the DNA = 3pt abuse

A fix in the title update will address this.

[JWiLL02]

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Thanks for the quick response, glad to hear that.

Can you elaborate on what exactly the fix is though? Will it be something added to the DNA of each player, or just a general attribute to cover all shots off the dribble?

[oOausarOo]

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nice find

If they fix this properly ranked games have potential to be good. I'm done with online until the patch.

[DG4L]

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Any chance we'll be seeing online club play?

[ILLSmak]

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Hey, where exactly do you see these %s? I've been looking for them. 48% lol.

But yeah, I think this has to do with why people make those crazy fade aways from 25 feet, too.

-Smak

[JWiLL02]

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On the main menu go to Dynamic DNA, then DNA scouting report, then hit LB or L1 once to get to the jumpshot breakdown.

Yeah, some are just wayyyy off. For whatever reason Shannon Brown is a 54% 3pt shooter. This is why there have been guys knocking down 8-9 3s in a game with him.

Hopefully the first official DNA update will address this.

[bateman11]

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I always thought these percentages indicated tendencies, rather than ratings.

[JWiLL02]

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If that was the case they'd need to add up to 100. It's just a breakdown of the players % from each range. For example Steve Nash is:

48% short
49% mid
42% 3pt

[Mintsa]

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JWill......have you noticed the whole "step back" 3's glitch get worse after this DNA update ?? Or are you saying that this DNA update just didn't fix it ??

[JWiLL02]

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Sorry to bump up my thread again, but this still hasn't been addressed.

It might actually be worse now. Just had Mo Williams shoot 14-26 on nothing but off the dribble contested pull up 3s.

I'm starting to wonder if it even can be addressed given the DNA breakdown. Does synergy keep track of off the dribble guarded and off the dribble unguarded? It seems like it would be one of the main %s to keep track of in terms of shooting, but it's simply not there.

It's just frustrating because this is the lowest % shot in all of basketball, an off the dribble 3, yet it's the most consistent weapon people use in this game. I feel like I'm being punished for playing smart while my opponents flourish by playing like idiots.

[jeebs9]

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Yea I know what you mean. Problem is no matter what system we come up with....Humans will away find a loop hole.

But from the sounds of it....I don't think they can fix this problem. How could they fix this?

[bakesalee]

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Some jerk went 20 for 40 on 3-pointers with Rashard Lewis last night. After the "game" I looked at his shot chart. Other than 2-3 dunks, 100% of the other shots were 3-point attempts. Great experience for me.

I'm not sure how they do it. I play as my Suns, and when these jerks shoot literally 40 3-pointers with JR Smith, Mo Williams, etc - I try and combat them with arguably the best shooter in the game - Steve Nash - and even he doesn't hit 50% of open 3-pointers.

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Fatal Flaw in the DNA = 3pt abuse

On the main menu go to Dynamic DNA, then DNA scouting report, then hit LB or L1 once to get to the jumpshot breakdown.

Yeah, some are just wayyyy off. For whatever reason Shannon Brown is a 54% 3pt shooter. This is why there have been guys knocking down 8-9 3s in a game with him.

Hopefully the first official DNA update will address this.

Shannon Brown DID shoot 54% from 3 with the Lakers last season, in 18 games.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=2992


the numbers have all been on the money..but as far as your point, from my experience, the game treats the contested jumper..of dribble jumper..guarded/unguarded, as the same thing regardless of whether it is a 2 or a 3 point shot.

the DNA % doesnt factor in the fact that the off the dribble long range jumper is the single hardest shot in basketball to make.

The game also doesnt factor in that all open shots arent equal. Coming off of a screen and then having to catch, square up and shoot..after making a hard cut and trying to waste as little motion as possible, is a tougher shot then a spot up off of a kick out.

[rfc redheat]

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Maybe there is a way they can implement team 3pt% which usually are around 35% and the % they defend against the 3..