Re: NBA Live 10 Patch Impressions (360, PS3)

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Re: NBA Live 10 Patch Impressions (360, PS3)

I think that's the whole problem, Live is suffering from an identity crisis. Pre-Patch it was headed in a pure sim direction but gamers who switched from 2K (and others) wanted 2K types things such as the defensive feel. I think the dev's caved into the pressure and dumbed down the game and hyperized the CPU's 1/2 court attack and now it's not as sim and also not as anything as could be. Just kinda blah. Live will probably never catch up to to 2K so I think they should focus on being a "boutique" game in one direction or the other (fun or sim) but something with an identity and then be "All-World" at it!

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A game can be sim and fun man. There are things here undone and limited.

You can't add contact to stop driving but only have a couple of animations that dominate the game. Most of the time its not realistic for a few reasons, you dont get fouls, guys dont always just with you chest to chest, let alone hardly at all, or you get sucked into it on defense. The foul calling is one sided in favor of the CPU.

I could go into more but the point is, its not even as fun as it was before. Broken gameplay, broken feature, and broken updates killed the game for alot of people

Not to say it doesnt look good in some areas or play well in some areas or isnt fun at all because it is, but IMO its just undone

I harp on the contact alot because it ruins alot of the driving game alot. Either the CPU can get the foul or completely unimpeded, and you, forget about it, hardly any fouls, or there is always someone bumping you no matter what, especially in air and it simply doesnt happen like that. Like I said, Bron coming down court full speed and he gets stopped on a dime in his tracks by Chris Duhon is a sham. NO foul, noone falling, just a canned contact animation usually not in your favor

[Pappy Knuckles]

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ehh, im not feeling much different than you man

Its just that, I dont think there are enough situations in this game to warrant this much contact. I think 2k did a pretty good job with guys in the paint contact, putting their hands up, multiple kinds of shots, I even saw Matt Barnes do an NBA Live like move up the middle of the paint, hung in the air adjusted shot, but with no chest to chest contact and it looked pretty good.

Controls are second to none in this game and its hard to get away from that. So is the atmosphere.

That said I can't play it more than one game if that. Im not sure what happened but I went from loving this game to stomaching it again. Too much scripted contact, no defense, limited moves, every team playing defense like the 90's Bulls, no individual seperation, bland post game and sadly this game can barely make it into the 360.

I thought this was the best bball game I've played prepatch, but it really changed for the worse.

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I dont remember DL the patch for my PS3 version, so I could just play that but there were the issues that bugged me on that end like the ball warping inside, losing the ball for no reason, no manual back down.
Other than that though yeah it was much more fun than it is now.

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I'm starting to wonder if the patch had more bad effects than we initially thought. I should clear things out and try the pre-patch version of the game before my eBay auction ends. I feel like the defensive rotations and momentum really took a hit with the patch, I don't remember there being so much sliding and unrealistic defensive recovery pre-patch. Though there is no way I'd be able to play this game with the pre-patch foul issue, so it's kinda a moot point anyway.

The NCAA '10 demo has better rotations/help D than Live post-patch, it will be interesting to see how the retail is tomorrow.

[Court_vision]

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I am pretty much exactly with you DRE and EHH.

Your posts have summed up exactly how I feel.

I was looking forward to LIVE 10 more than just about any game previously. I love the controls...I love the atmosphere and I was really looking forward to the Dynamic season.

But I sold the game...first time I've ever sold an NBA game.

The gameplay just hit a massive wall...

I may pick it up cheaply again around the playoffs...simply because I love the controls and I like what they did with the playoff atmosphere.

But the game just died really quickly for me this season. I played LIVE 09 a lot and was really hoping they'd build on it. Instead they improved some things, but made other things much worse. The lack of physicality is crazy...as Dre says, you can be full turbo with LeBron and get stopped on a dime by a 5 foot 3 behch warmer. You can back down any player using any player. The lack of animations drove me nuts also...same contact animations over and over and over again regardless of the player or the situation.

I am thankful for the developers efforts...but i feel they missed the mark but a fair way overall this season.

There's no doubt they are trying to get there though...and I honestly think the reason NBA 2K10 has improved so much is that the NBA Live team has applied some pressure. 2K had to respond and that's why we got such an improved product from the other game. Competition is good...it's the thing that will keep both games going forward and being innovative. So, I hope EA bounces back with LIVE 11...but LIVE 10 has been a dissapointment overall. Harsh maybe, but I expected them to really build on LIVE 09. They did in some things, but they actually went backwards in too many areas (Post game especially)

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I deleted the patch and played game 1 of my association with default rosters with the suns and has my most exciting game to date. I had 22 fast break points...i am the suns! I went to the line 14 times to their 19 times (clippers) and actually missed 4 FT's with under 15 seconds and up 3 points. Eric Gordon hit a 3 at the buzzer but I prevailed in OT. I never had a problem pre-patch and am glad I can go back to it and enjoy it!

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I deleted the patch and played game 1 of my association with default rosters with the suns and has my most exciting game to date. I had 22 fast break points...i am the suns! I went to the line 14 times to their 19 times (clippers) and actually missed 4 FT's with under 15 seconds and up 3 points. Eric Gordon hit a 3 at the buzzer but I prevailed in OT. I never had a problem pre-patch and am glad I can go back to it and enjoy it!

Agreed. With the patch, this game suddenly became boring for me.
So decided to deleted it. And now much more fun!!!

[bakesalee]

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Agreed. With the patch, this game suddenly became boring for me.
So decided to deleted it. And now much more fun!!!

Seriously. They should just reset the game back to default, then just fix online having no fatigue, individual players shouldn't be able to shoot 50% on 40 3-point attempts, offline game's fatigue meter constantly reverts back to 0 after saving, and rebounds being stolen before even realizing you pulled down the rebound.

That's all that was annoying about the game in the first place. Not that long of a list!

[thakeaf]

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I'm still having fun with the game post-patch. Pre-patch had me not even popping the game in at all. The only thing that's getting me really doesn't involve the game, it's how dead the community has became here. I see the 2k forum booming but I guess cause the majority over there are happy, and people over here are kinda iffy. Kinda sucks for those of us who are still enjoying the game.

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...but LIVE 10 has been a dissapointment overall. Harsh maybe, but I expected them to really build on LIVE 09. They did in some things, but they actually went backwards in too many areas (Post game especially)

Wow that IS harsh. Maybe in sales... but I would say they improved greatly in terms of "quality."

Some things are missing but there are components of this game that are much better than their competitor. The problem is the bad is just SO BAD.

I'm still on the side that the patch did more good than bad... HOWEVER... it's ridiculous some of the signature stuff was removed b/c of the patch, the introduction of the OT issue, and some of the other things people have noticed, like the skewed fouls.

They definitely loosened the game up.

I don't know if the patch is all to blame for some AI issues, either. The DNA has been suspect all season. Just a frustrating year after such promise last year.

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Wow that IS harsh. Maybe in sales... but I would say they improved greatly in terms of "quality."

Some things are missing but there are components of this game that are much better than their competitor. The problem is the bad is just SO BAD.

I'm still on the side that the patch did more good than bad... HOWEVER... it's ridiculous some of the signature stuff was removed b/c of the patch, the introduction of the OT issue, and some of the other things people have noticed, like the skewed fouls.

They definitely loosened the game up.

I don't know if the patch is all to blame for some AI issues, either. The DNA has been suspect all season. Just a frustrating year after such promise last year.

Yeah, I am being harsh. Maybe too harsh.

However...I am one few guys here who sort of liked NBA Live 09.

It wasn't good...but it had so much potential.

All they had to do was iron out the DNA...add some up tempo stuff...fix the rebounding...and leave in tact their base, which was pretty solid.

LIVE 10 is a better game...but I really expected it to be a huge leap. Yet somehow DNA is still going haywire...and I really don't know what the hell they were thinking ripping out so much of the signature stuff + post game from LIVE 09.

In all their previews, they hyped up every new aspect of the game...so I (and I am sure most people) thought "Okay, LIVE 09 + all this new stuff = pretty damm good.

Instead we got lots of the good stuff from LIVE 09 removed...again, why? it makes no sense to remove singature stuff + post moves...and DNA is still going crazy and ratings are all over the place.

I don't hate the game at all...what it does well, as you said, it does very well. Better than any NBA game ever has IMO.

I am just kind of lost with why they tore out so many good things...and dissapointed that they still seem to have no idea what's going on with DNA.

I don't want to crititicise the team too much...but I find it kind of stunning that guys here post stuff like "why does a 7 foot stiff who's never taken a 3 point shot in his life have a 59 rating for 3 pointers and shoots them in my game".........and the developers seem clueless. It's just not a good look when a game's developer is saying "really, wow...i didn't know that"....when guys like Playmakers and Tomba have been talking about this stuff for three years. Does anyone at EA even check stuff?

The game has the potential to be amazing.....but "potential" is the most annoying word in sports and you can only use it for so long. Live 08 had potential...Live 09 had great potential...and now we are expected to accept "Live 10 is still a work in progress, it has potential"...

I was hoping LIVE 10 was the season we dropped the "potential" word to be honest.

If EA has any pride...they'll bust their backsides working on patch 2 and come back with all the crap ironed out...have LIVE 10 working properly and make it a great game now.

It's time to reward the guys who bought the game the past few years and this season...step up with patch 2.

No more "next season we will get it right"...that line is old from these guys.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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All the bricked dunks are KILLING me. Who thought that was a good idea to include in the patch? I played a game online against one of my people earlier and I bricked 3 of them. 2 with absolutely no defender near me, and the other with someone trailing from behind. This is probably one of the more annoying aspects of the patch for me. I still enjoy the game online, but the little things irk me sometimes.

[Court_vision]

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All the bricked dunks are KILLING me. Who thought that was a good idea to include in the patch? I played a game online against one of my people earlier and I bricked 3 of them. 2 with absolutely no defender near me, and the other with someone trailing from behind. This is probably one of the more annoying aspects of the patch for me. I still enjoy the game online, but the little things irk me sometimes.

Tonnes of fellas in here like you, The Admiral, 23, Ehh etc...who all loved the game..are now either dissapointed in the game post patch or have given up playing.

I've sold it...but I'd happily buy it again if they fix all this stuff + get DNA fixed and add some more gameplay fixes in patch 2.

Hopefully the EA guys are reading this. Patch 2 is their chance to step up.

[Playmakers]

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Wow that IS harsh. Maybe in sales... but I would say they improved greatly in terms of "quality."

Some things are missing but there are components of this game that are much better than their competitor. The problem is the bad is just SO BAD.

I'm still on the side that the patch did more good than bad... HOWEVER... it's ridiculous some of the signature stuff was removed b/c of the patch, the introduction of the OT issue, and some of the other things people have noticed, like the skewed fouls.

They definitely loosened the game up.

I don't know if the patch is all to blame for some AI issues, either. The DNA has been suspect all season. Just a frustrating year after such promise last year.

I definetly agree DNA is a mess.....

I've never been a big fan of it to be truthful because i think the game with proper ratings being assigned to players is the best way to go and overiding DNA from testing and tweaking has rendered somewhat better gameplay.

But there's still a few things hard coded into the game that only EA IMO can fix as I've determined after 1 month of editing isn't fixable without their help.

I'm not sure what to think anymore about the game....I haven't sold it or anything so i guess that's a good sign.

I still test out things when i get free time on weekends. But i've done more editing than playing which isn't cool at all but i just can't play and enjoy it with some of the b.s. stuff that occurs.

Lets hope a 2nd patch is the final piece to a puzzle that allows this game to render less headaches.