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  • Jazza2319
    Banned
    • Mar 2008
    • 134

    #1

    Online Play...what happened EA???

    It's no secret that the game was wonderful at first, but has slowly let me and the rest of the online sports-gaming community down in terms of online play. The huge lack of free-throws and foul calls hinders the effectiveness of non-shooting, penetrating PG's like Rondo and Rose. It's ridiculously hard to score in the paint, thanks to the major lack of foul calls and two other factors:

    1. You aren't able to fake a man up, and then go up for the and-1 call...which means defenders can jump all day and never be penalized, only being rewarded for a random looking rejection

    2. Ridiculous blocks occur, most of the time by random PG's who came down to help

    The offensive game was great at launch but seems to have gotten much worse. I just played a game online, Celtics (me) vs the Magic. I played realistically, running Ray Allen off screens, posting up Paul Pierce and running the pick-n-roll with KG. I worked hard for my open looks. However, the idiot i was playing was simply coming down the court and draining three's right in Rondo's face. Rondo was right in Nelson's face, yet he was still making almost every shot...12 three's to be exact. I ended up winning by 8 points, but this experience alone may have turned me away from online play. I felt cheated, here i am getting my open looks and jumpers off the same way you would in real life, while this *** is using little to no effort to just come down court and shoot within 5 seconds of the shot clock.

    Come on EA, please fix the abuse of 3 point shooting. The mid range game was important at the release, now it's useless.

    And on a side note, i thought Dynamic DNA included updated hairstyles. Guys like Sheed, Dirk, Artest and Iverson already have different hairstyles to the ones in the game. Does this not include updating hair styles?
  • rfc redheat
    Banned
    • Jun 2009
    • 70

    #2
    Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

    I'm loving the online play. Have you guys forgotten how bad 09 was in the ease of getting to the lane and the high percentage shots....

    If they added more fouls it would slow down the game and then lead to cheesers driving the lane just to get fouls....

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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #3
      Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

      I agree about the lack of fouls, it drives me crazy. I thought at first it was only because I was using the Knicks but it still bugged me that Nate and Chandler could never do anything in terms of driving to the hoop.

      After watching my opponent's strategy and what's been successful for them, you're better off getting into the paint, slamming on the breaks, pray you don't get stripped and then either pump fake or go up for a layup from a stand still. Going in for a layup while running is basically a lost cause from what I've experienced unless there isn't a single help defender in sight.
      Last edited by ehh; 10-30-2009, 10:10 AM.
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      • dat swag
        Banned
        • Nov 2008
        • 1040

        #4
        Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

        You guys must not be playing on Superstar...I'm seeing adequate fouls online in head 2 head games. You gotta attack the cup...The jury is still out on the 3's but on Superstar, Custom matches; 8-10 min qtrs with Fatigue ON the game is playing decent...I still have some dislikes but its a good game and very playable

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #5
          Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

          I'm on All-Star. I've made a few posts about my beef but basically I get to the paint, execute the proper layup solution and get a GOOD contact animation (realistic one, I get bumped, my guy falls to the floor, etc) and I very rarely get fouls called.
          "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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          • joel0078
            Pro
            • Sep 2006
            • 754

            #6
            Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

            I play "versus" ranked games, against random opponents. I believe these are automatically set to all star level, definitely nothing lower than that. In case you guys haven't seen my opinion on what the patch has done to the ONLINE game, I'll say it again....It's not ruined, but A LOT LESS FUN, IMO. I get exactly what the OP is saying.

            The best way for me to sum it up is that I believe the defense was turned up TO HIGH and it simply over powers the offense (post patch). Shot timing release was a GREAT idea, but without a practice facility and a meter or something to tell you when your release is perfect, its tough to score. Take into consideration that fouls are still not being called on most collision animations, and it's frustrating. Oh yeah, that and the fact that the patch addressed a TON of things if you go by the list, but how many of those things were visible, "fix now" problems? Some of which although they said they fixed, they really didn't (IE passing to the backcourt players and to guys out of bounds) They failed to fix the 3-4 main gripes, fatigue, sub menus, auto/manual subs and 3 point shooting exploits.
            Last edited by joel0078; 10-30-2009, 11:40 AM.

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            • Jazza2319
              Banned
              • Mar 2008
              • 134

              #7
              Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

              Wow, i just played a guy who used Denver and just tried full-court pressed me and drew charges. Sooo damn frustrating, what the hell EA?

              Who gives a **** about the casual gamers, casual gamers is basically a synonym for the cheesers who ruin online play for everybody else. Stop making games tailored to the casual players, you might get their business every so often but it's the hardcore gamers who are your guaranteed sales

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              • moemoe24
                Rookie
                • Oct 2007
                • 1996

                #8
                Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                Originally posted by Jazza2319
                Wow, i just played a guy who used Denver and just tried full-court pressed me and drew charges. Sooo damn frustrating, what the hell EA?

                Who gives a **** about the casual gamers, casual gamers is basically a synonym for the cheesers who ruin online play for everybody else. Stop making games tailored to the casual players, you might get their business every so often but it's the hardcore gamers who are your guaranteed sales
                Without casual gamers buying games companies would be out of business. I'm not a casual gamer and I understand completely where you are coming from, but just like everything else in life, things are set up for the knuckleheads.

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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #9
                  Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                  Originally posted by Jazza2319
                  Who gives a **** about the casual gamers, casual gamers is basically a synonym for the cheesers who ruin online play for everybody else. Stop making games tailored to the casual players, you might get their business every so often but it's the hardcore gamers who are your guaranteed sales
                  This obviously hasn't worked for most companies in sports gaming. Our market is smaller than you think. Know that guy who you like watching games with? Cheeser. Your nephew? Uses exploits.

                  It's a bigger thing than most realize.
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                  • phant030
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 1232

                    #10
                    Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                    Most ppl dont even know they are 'cheesing'. Just merely playing a game to what they feel their advantages are.

                    My roommate, for instance, believes that you can try to steal the inbounds pass everytime in real life. So he does, it on the game. The difference he says is that in the game, it doesnt take him out of position enough defensively to really make it a liability eventhough he's rarely successful.

                    Which IMO is true. This is where him turbo'ing back should really have an effect on his players fatigue. And all the hacking in the passing lane should award me w/ getting his bigs in foul trouble from the numerous oben lanes to the basket. So, his players fatigued = more missed shots and his better player on the bench. Good basketball leads to an easy win.

                    The game allows him to get away with this. So he thinks 'the refs arent giving me the foul" so he has no fear of doing it.

                    That's my only beef. There will always be exploits. I can live with that. But, the majority of the time we should be 'awarded' and they 'punished' for playing our 'style' of basketball. Although, with more fouls being called, LBJ/Wade/Kobe cheesers will be able to get to the line that much easier and that will be complained about next. Fine Line I suppose. I think fatigue/fouls will help tremendously.

                    Because other things that are in the 'game'. You can easily deal with imo.

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                    • oOausarOo
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 822

                      #11
                      Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                      All I want for online play is fatigue and I'm good.

                      On another note: Why don't nba games implement sometype of prestige type ranking and more goodies online like shooters?
                      Last edited by oOausarOo; 10-31-2009, 12:59 PM.

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                      • ILLSmak
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2397

                        #12
                        Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                        Would be nice to see some sort of a ranking benefit for playing with lower tier teams... Nets, 76ers, Heat, OKC, Timberwolves... you know? I constantly play Orlando, Cleveland, and LA. I hate that someone can run into the paint w/ LeBron and I defend it perfectly but it still goes in sometimes with the collision animation that would NEVER go in for me. I still win, they still shoot under 40% but the fact is that they get about a +15 handicap... and if I play someone who is actually good and they pick those teams, I might lose a close one.

                        I have grown to hate the term cheese. It's like fighters who complain about button mashers... if you are good you don't lose to cheesers. Someone might have a cheesy play style, but you might be surprised at their talent level. you might be mad that your strategy doesn't work and theirs does, but it's time to adapt. I score almost all of my points in the paint, real talk. Everyone I've played lately thinks it's a good idea to sit back in a zone... so I either pass it around until I get the dunk or shoot it and get the offensive rebound.

                        "Cheese" doesn't bother me, but people who are dumb and able to be even a little bit successful... that bothers me, but I've just worked harder on my game. And if they get the win, they get it. Oh well.

                        PS: It's not as hard to score in the paint as you think. You have to get closer to the basket, though, and you need to pick a side. If you pick the correct side to lay up and lay off the turbo button you might be surprised at your success. You will also get more foul calls. If people are jumping like dummies inside get the ball, pump fake, then shoot it with the stick pressed into them. You will get plenty of calls that way. not saying it's fair that they have psychotic blocks with people like Dwight, but you gotta adjust. Get in the paint and pass to a big on the other side of the rim...

                        -Smak
                        Last edited by ILLSmak; 10-31-2009, 05:20 PM.

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                        • oOausarOo
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 822

                          #13
                          Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                          If I didn't watch the NBA I'd think JR Smith was the greatest basketball player of all time based on how both video games treat him.

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                          • bakesalee
                            Pro
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 596

                            #14
                            Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                            I agree about the midrange game diminishing in importance since the patch released. The reason why I praised this game so much in the impressions thread I think was the midrange game.

                            The problem with basketball games from the beginning of gaming has been that the real life midrange game isn't consistent enough to count on in gaming. Therefore players rely on running around until the dunk presents itself - because that is statistically their highest scoring chance.

                            Prior to the patch, this game was in my opinion, the first video game to properly incorporate an effective midrange game. If you came off a screen with a good shooter and was in that players proper comfort zone (15 feet, 20 feet, etc) - it was almost guaranteed. Which I think is a good thing. I'll tell you why. First, this is an abbreviation of an NBA game. 99.9% of us aren't playing a game that spans 2.5 hours like a real life broadcast. Second, the effort of setting up an authentic situation should be rewarded (taking off ball control of a jump shooter for example, calling for the pick, getting open, etc). Reward those willing to make the effort to see the video game play out as it does in real life.

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                            • ILLSmak
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 2397

                              #15
                              Re: Online Play...what happened EA???

                              Midrange is not a good shot, period. In this game, wide open midranges go in... and if you have D Wade or someone you can shoot them, but I've played games where I thought I was making every shot from midrange and I checked my shooting percentage and it was like... 40%. It's like wow. Best to use it to get your opponent thinking you can shoot then go inside.

                              Especially in a game like this where there are a lot of blocks inside and not a lot of fouls... don't forget 40% from 3 = 60% from 2. PLus you can offensive rebound 3s easily if you shoot them at the right time and when people are looking for you to shoot 3s then you can go inside. Shooting 3s as you come down is stupid, but if you have Big Z and Shaq in there (as most Cav users do), you should be able to get a good 3 with Mo, Delonte, or AP, and even if you miss it's gonna be a board/tip. It's funny how people use these super powered teams. It's like man if I had that team...

                              -Smak

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