NBA LIVE Post Launch Support

[ehh]

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Im not too sure about that anymore.

Just blindly supporting the games is not for me.

After dabling with the ratings alone, there is a massive neglect of important things going on and its not by accident.

...and just like that, other things

I don't blindly support games either (as I said I didn't buy Live for a decade, stopped buying NCAA Football, didn't buy Madden for a few years) but I still need a basketball game every year. I don't think either Live 10 or 2K10 are that bad that they're unplayable like NCAA Football, Madden or 2K Baseball has been at various points in the last five years. The NBA games aren't perfect but no sports games are (even The Show, it's better than the rest but not phenomenal). I had fun with Live from Oct-Dec and I'm having fun with it again from now until the Finals end.

[blackflash83]

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Im not going to make this an ncaa thread, but thats hogwash and thats the main reason EA is continually losing fans as it is now.

You dont release a broken game and leave the fans screwed like that in the name of the series not returning.

If anything you're making people look at EA as their stigma says they are in the gaming world.

I'll say the same thing as I mentioned with both Pared's and Noshun's posts, you're completely on point with what you're saying here. The only thing at this point is to ensure that what happened with NCAA Basketball NEVER happens again with any basketball title that comes out. That's something that goes without saying but it's important that we let all of you know. I

[Pared]

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Guys,

What happened with NCAA really doesn't help what can happen with Live.

This is probably not the best forum as it's already known how some feel about the situation.

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I dont see how anyone can play NBA Live 10 untweaked and continue to have fun.

The blocking in the game is so bad, its horrible. They swipe at the ball across the side of their head most of the time instead of blocking for the ball... the head tracking is off, the player models are off (no offense to santos) but its something about the core of the game when it was built that seems as if it was put together wrong.

Looking at the ncaa football game, they're going to be dealing with alot of the same issues with the momentum system as Live.

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I'll say the same thing as I mentioned with both Pared's and Noshun's posts, you're completely on point with what you're saying here. The only thing at this point is to ensure that what happened with NCAA Basketball NEVER happens again with any basketball title that comes out. That's something that goes without saying but it's important that we let all of you know. I

blackflash83

at a crucial point in EA's basketball world, they let people down who willingly gave them another chance.

It was something that should've never happened in the first place, people got screwed over and now they have you telling them, we wont do it again.

After years of some of the same things being said, noone believes EA anymore. Well some do but the majority... its going to take alot of work and I mean ALOT. You think Steph had to work hard, its going to be 3 times as tough for you man, and thats probably not stressing it enough.

[joel0078]

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Im not too sure about that anymore.

Just blindly supporting the games is not for me.

After dabling with the ratings alone, there is a massive neglect of important things going on and its not by accident.

...and just like that, other things

I agree. I guess I didn't say what I really mean because I didn't want to ruffle any feathers... It's laziness and I don't want to get into making statements about why I feel this way. Guys like Tomba lay out word for word why he's making the change, what affect the change has and how it works...and he always makes the game more playable...But not one person at EA can read and apply this stuff, after its been proven to work....It's irritating.

Just being content with the quality (or lack of) of this game year after year, isn't good enough anymore. The mantra the last few years seems to be "next year this, next year that"....Next year has come and gone several times now. I like what this years game had to offer and it was an improvement in some aspects, but it wasn't enough to keep me interested after the updates and flaws were revealed.

In terms of the topic at hand, it still hasn't been made clear by backflash what his thoughts and ideas are..I'm not even sure I understand what can be done in terms of post launch support? All I can hope for is less problems to deal with at release, which would require less post launch support.

[blackflash83]

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Again speaking for myself only, not trying to be confrontational. But...

Why? Its not like you guys stuck around during the whole NCAA freezing thread issue. That thread went 27 pages for over 4 months. The only person to show up and comment was Marcus, and he wasn't with EA anymore.

Why should we have any faith you guys are going to stick around now? What incentive? Because you guys say you are now? Really?

Why does this sound so familar to me? Edited: found quote


It sounds similar to this quote from you in the Mike Wang left EA thread.



Deja vu.

These words are just a cycle of nothingness year after year. They hold no weight whatsoever. You guys cant speak on the NCAA 10 post issues, but your going to speak on post Live 11's? I guess this forum needed some type of action, its dead. Great post Live 10 forum action. Let me see how NCAA 10's post support is doing while I'm at it. Going to go play NCAA 10 with my cousin.



NCAA 10 freezing(no post patch) is sure improving my frustration to finish a game experience..

The online cheating is something we are addressing and are continually addressuing. As I've mentioned on other forums, there is a process that has to be done regarding punishing cheaters for online play. Believe man, I would love to be able to just go into the list and say "poof, you're gone". Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Removing online cheaters has customer service implications so it's not a simple process of just getting rid of someone because someone says they're cheating, it has to be investigated before action is taken. I would love for it to be done faster but until there's a better system that ensures that cases of cheating have been checked out properly then unfortunately the process isn't any faster than what it is. I assure you that we are going after them but it's not to the speed that you would like.

I can dwell on past actions but I've always been the type of person not to dwell on the past. The past is there for us to recognize what we've done wrong and what we need to improve upon in the future. At this point I want to move forward and create initiatives that will drive people to want to continue playing NBA LIVE AFTER the game has been released. As you said so yourself, these are just words and without action backing up what I'm saying then it is as you said NOTHINGNESS.

I intend to prove that what I'm saying isn't just a bunch of meaningless words and that the game will receive the proper support that it deserves from people willing to spend their money on the game.

[blackflash83]

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blackflash83

at a crucial point in EA's basketball world, they let people down who willingly gave them another chance.

It was something that should've never happened in the first place, people got screwed over and now they have you telling them, we wont do it again.

After years of some of the same things being said, noone believes EA anymore. Well some do but the majority... its going to take alot of work and I mean ALOT. You think Steph had to work hard, its going to be 3 times as tough for you man, and thats probably not stressing it enough.

You are right that I'm going to have to work incredibly hard at this point to prove to everyone how serious we are about improving our basketball games. That's not just me the development team have the same mindset as well and that's what they're working towards with this year's title. I accept the challenge being thrown my way to prove to everyone how serious we are about improving the state of EA basketball and I hope with all of your help that we can make that happen.

[Pared]

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Bottom line for me is all the posts in the world on this or any other message board alone aren't going to help if people don't see results. I know you're asking for post launch support tidbits, and ACTUAL SUPPORT is all that is wanted - player gear/ratings/roster updates, patch fixes for any serious issues, and so forth.

I know you have a dedicated question here - POST support. But I would say almost everyone is concern with PRE-LAUNCH support.

The time will come when you guys reveal all. Sadly though, it will be too late to shape the game or fix things that the gamer doesn't like and they'll be stuck with another stale basketball game one month after release.

The cycle just needs to end, really. The only post launch support tidbit you really need to know, IMHO, or make sure the servers are solid and things work. NOT like Dynamic Season last year. NOT like DNA updates. NOT like 2k's NBA Today is screwed up in the playoffs two games into the first round.

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^ well said

Its already on the wrong foot jumping the gun with post launch support when its an assumption the game will be fine, when we just dont know anything at all, especially with all the massive changes.

I honestly think EA doesnt get it. That's just me though

[ehh]

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Yeah, the post launch support concerns are putting the cart way before the horse. That should be at the very bottom of the list of EA's priorities.

[DJ]

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Bottom line for me is all the posts in the world on this or any other message board alone aren't going to help if people don't see results. I know you're asking for post launch support tidbits, and ACTUAL SUPPORT is all that is wanted - player gear/ratings/roster updates, patch fixes for any serious issues, and so forth.

I know you have a dedicated question here - POST support. But I would say almost everyone is concern with PRE-LAUNCH support.

The time will come when you guys reveal all. Sadly though, it will be too late to shape the game or fix things that the gamer doesn't like and they'll be stuck with another stale basketball game one month after release.

The cycle just needs to end, really. The only post launch support tidbit you really need to know, IMHO, or make sure the servers are solid and things work. NOT like Dynamic Season last year. NOT like DNA updates. NOT like 2k's NBA Today is screwed up in the playoffs two games into the first round.

This. Just make sure the game modes, especially the ones you tout on the back of the game box, work PROPERLY. Dynamic Season had way too many bugs/issues in it and the player rotation/depth chart was NEVER addressed in Dynasty Mode.

I'd rather here why something can't be fixed than to just hear nothing but silence.

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A busted mode is just a by product of a game that isnt right.

nevermind the idea was used to really be a replacement for an actual dynasty mode, and both ideas were busts

Its incredible man...but how many of you are willing to put up with this again to give post release support?

[joel0078]

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^ well said

Its already on the wrong foot jumping the gun with post launch support when its an assumption the game will be fine, when we just dont know anything at all, especially with all the massive changes.

I honestly think EA doesnt get it. That's just me though

You and Pared are hitting the nail on the head everytime. And you're right, they don't get it. Like I said in my first post, the fact they are asking for ideas to help with post launch support, has me concerned from the get go. They are missing the point. Everything Pared said is what is needed. Nothing less and not really much of anything else.

[DJ]

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A busted mode is just a by product of a game that isnt right.

nevermind the idea was used to really be a replacement for an actual dynasty mode, and both ideas were busts

Its incredible man...but how many of you are willing to put up with this again to give post release support?

Trust me, I am not purchasing Live 11 on release day this year. I went with Live 10 b/c I hadn't played Live in ages and I really enjoyed the demo. Pre-patch, this game was so much fun and then ... well, we know what happened from that point on. Now, the game can be enjoyable but you have to look past a lot of flaws. It does do a lot of things well and the controls are for the most part well done.

I will be paying attention to what 11 has in store, but I will be waiting for patches to drop before I even consider buying the game again.