Basketball is NOT Hockey

**loadleft** · 06-03-2010, 09:52 AM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by Sovartus

From what I saw at EA Canada this past weekend, you guys don't really have anything to worry about. The controls took a little getting use to but felt very natural and was actually better than anything I have experienced before. More info on My blog .

First of all great write up in your blog and based on what I saw you write up last year about Live 10 I feel I can trust your impressions a little better than PR releases.

If you can answer this: If I develop all-world stick skills can I consistently hit shots w/players that shouldn't hit them. At this point that's my biggest concern. I like Playmakers like for personnel to mean something, but if being able to push the RS straight up to 12 o'clock consistently means that Rondo is now a three point threat, this blows it for me! Since they've based the game on Live 10 some of my other concerns are gone, w/the hope they're talking about Live 10 w/out the post patch garbage.

**loadleft** · 06-03-2010, 09:56 AM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by ehh

The article addresses your concern...

Granted next-gen basketball has been a huge disappointment I can't imagine a game having an issue THIS big that you can drain three's with Shaq consistently if you get nasty with the shot stick.

This really doesn't address the concern. Based on the article, certain shots would be more difficult and being "more difficult" simply meant the "sweet spot" was smaller. If I can do the perfect 12 o'clock up stick movement it doesn't matter how big the sweet spot is as long as there is one. So the question is will Eddie Curry even have a sweet spot from the 3pt line?

**ehh** · 06-03-2010, 09:59 AM

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The sweet spot part doesn't address it, but the part that I quoted above does.

If people are concerned that because it is skill-based shooting you can make every shot, then you can relax. Shots are harder to make if you are further away from the basket, are being closely guarded, are a below-average shooter, or you have too much fade or momentum, among other factors.

**DaveDQ** · 06-03-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by Sovartus

I have been to EA Canada and played the game. I really like the direction they are going in and I liked the feel better than anything I have played thus far. I haven't experienced 2K yet so who knows what it will feel like.

I did read your blog, Sovartus, and it does hold promise. My concern is that the appearance is that any progress that has been made has been abandoned by the premise that they suddenly have created the ultimate simulation experience in one year's development cycle. I understand the press release's purpose is to show the game in a positive light, so you can't base a game solely on that.

I enjoyed Live because of how well they did online teamplay. That was my deciding factor in it over 2K's game. Hopefully the game makes strides, but I'm very skeptical at this point. They were close and I feel like they just let go.

**loadleft** · 06-03-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

The sweet spot part doesn't address it, but the part that I quoted above does.

Maybe I am not asking the question properly. From what I read plus with the diagram provided, I understood that being more difficult to make meant that the "sweet spot" or margin of error was smaller. That as far as I can see is the thing that you are repeating: the shot is more difficult based on other factors. Well what is more difficult according to what the article said? As I understood it being more difficult= smaller sweet spot. Am I mis-understanding it?

**Sovartus** · 06-03-2010, 10:07 AM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by loadleft

First of all great write up in your blog and based on what I saw you write up last year about Live 10 I feel I can trust your impressions a little better than PR releases.

If you can answer this: If I develop all-world stick skills can I consistently hit shots w/players that shouldn't hit them. At this point that's my biggest concern. I like Playmakers like for personnel to mean something, but if being able to push the RS straight up to 12 o'clock consistently means that Rondo is now a three point threat, this blows it for me! Since they've based the game on Live 10 some of my other concerns are gone, w/the hope they're talking about Live 10 w/out the post patch garbage.

There is more to it than that so the answer is no. It isn't going to be as easy as you would think at least it wasn't for me. I can't go into how it all works but I can say it is the first time it really felt like shooting a real jumper for me. I'm not saying it's perfect and the answer for everything, but it they have time to fix some of the things we pointed out while we were there. If they do, I will be very pleased with it.

**loadleft** · 06-03-2010, 10:11 AM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by Sovartus

There is more to it than that so the answer is no. It isn't going to be as easy as you would think at least it wasn't for me. I can't go into how it all works but I can say it is the first time it really felt like shooting a real jumper for me. I'm not saying it's perfect and the answer for everything, but it they have time to fix some of the things we pointed out while we were there. If they do, I will be very pleased with it.

Thank you! Now all I have to worry about is the crap that popped up post patch Live 10! Can you comment on gameplay relative to Live 10? Did it feel the same, improved, etc? Also please reference whether you're referring to Live pre or post patch

**Sovartus** · 06-03-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by loadleft

Thank you! Now all I have to worry about is the crap that popped up post patch Live 10! Can you comment on gameplay relative to Live 10? Did feel the same, improved, etc?

I think it has improved. All the things that I loved about Live 10 are still there.

**Sovartus** · 06-03-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by DaveDQ

I did read your blog, Sovartus, and it does hold promise. My concern is that the appearance is that any progress that has been made has been abandoned by the premise that they suddenly have created the ultimate simulation experience in one year's development cycle. I understand the press release's purpose is to show the game in a positive light, so you can't base a game solely on that.

I enjoyed Live because of how well they did online teamplay. That was my deciding factor in it over 2K's game. Hopefully the game makes strides, but I'm very skeptical at this point. They were close and I feel like they just let go.

They haven't let anything go from what I could see. I will also say that the changes are very positive and it will carry over into online. It will surely make it better overall. They haven't just scrapped it all and started all over.

**ehh** · 06-03-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by loadleft

Maybe I am not asking the question properly. From what I read plus with the diagram provided, I understood that being more difficult to make meant that the "sweet spot" or margin of error was smaller. That as far as I can see is the thing that you are repeating: the shot is more difficult based on other factors. Well what is more difficult according to what the article said? As I understood it being more difficult= smaller sweet spot. Am I mis-understanding it?

I'm not sure fully, but I imagine that Shaq (based on how tiny his FT sweet spot is) will have a sliver for 3PTers. Basically making it impossible for the user to "master" his shot from deep. Not sure if those guys will not have a sweet spot at all from deep, hopefully that's the case though.

**loadleft** · 06-03-2010, 11:00 AM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by ehh

I'm not sure fully, but I imagine that Shaq (based on how tiny his FT sweet spot is) will have a sliver for 3PTers. Basically making it impossible for the user to "master" his shot from deep. Not sure if those guys will not have a sweet spot at all from deep, hopefully that's the case though.

Now that, I agree with! It sounds like though, based on Sovartus' answer that ratings do play a role. As he said "it's not as simple as that". I am attempting to read between the lines and extract that shot's aren't 100% skill based. What do you think?

**krazyboy225** · 06-03-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by loadleft

Now that, I agree with! It sounds like though, based on Sovartus' answer that ratings do play a role. As he said "it's not as simple as that". I am attempting to read between the lines and extract that shot's aren't 100% skill based. What do you think?

Don't forget that your not just pulling the stick straight up.. there's also the matter of when you release it and what not... so it ll be like a more challenging version of a regular button press in the sense that instead of only worrying about timing you have to also worry about position. The good thing about this system in my opinion is that when your wide open with a shooter like Ray Allen...whether you make your shot or completely air ball it will depend on you.

Also not forgetting that momentum will come into play.. imagine a scenario where a player looses his dribble because of a failed pump fake attempt.. the defender closes out on him... the offensive player attempts a fade but the release time will differ from his release time during a regular shot, causing a higher margin of error for the user, forcing a bad jump shot.

From what am getting from the information we've released so far.. the closer the defended gets to you the smaller your sweet spot...

So just putting all those factors together that's how i envision this new analog shooting to work... I could be completely wrong..

**krazyboy225** · 06-03-2010, 05:45 PM

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I am also pretty sure that some form of under the hood formula will come into play when taking a closely guarded shot.

**Playmakers** · 06-03-2010, 07:32 PM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by ehh

I'm not sure fully, but I imagine that Shaq (based on how tiny his FT sweet spot is) will have a sliver for 3PTers. Basically making it impossible for the user to "master" his shot from deep. Not sure if those guys will not have a sweet spot at all from deep, hopefully that's the case though.

I hope your right because that makes a lot of sense the way you described it....

But it's EA so I'm concerned it may not be that way.

**travis72** · 06-03-2010, 11:24 PM

Re: Basketball is NOT Hockey

Originally posted by Da_Czar

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/nba-live...elite-1376730/

Creative director for NBA Elite 11 David Littman, who has made the NHL series at EA a huge success, said that, "Now, if someone makes a shot from half court, you can't get mad because it's entirely skill-based.

Men how much does this guy know about basketball ?

I loved the previous direction of Nba Live now its elite which isn't even a term in the basketball vernacular. A now this gentlemen who made Hockey a hit is the CREATIVE director ? This is the NEW direction ? does anyone else who loves BASKETBALL see any thing wrong with this ?

In an effort to sell units will they sell their basketball soul ? Elite 11 ? come on family. That is not inline with the culture of the game!! Heres to hoping I'm wrong but I think the basketball will suffer. It'll probably be a lot of fun for the first 2 weeks though.

Well said. The direction they took last year was somewhat positive other than a extremely flawed dynasty mode. 2k will probably be my game of choice this upcoming season but I hope I am wrong about this and EA really does finally step up to the plate and hits one out of the park but my guess is they won't.

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