What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

[Jano]

I know some guys love it but others hate it or at least apprehensive to it. So I wanted to create this thread because I wanted to see exactly how everybody feels about it.

I feel like basketball games over the years have definitely gotten more complex and allowed users to do more things on the court. But the skills needed to complete actions on the court hasnt always been up to snuff imo. Things like shooting, dribbling, playing defense, and among other things are in the game but it all seems too simple. Irl stepping on to a basketball court is easy but the actual skill you need in order to be effective on both ends is high.

Playing defense isnt just sliding your feet its also understanding angles and spacing too. Shooting isnt just putting the ball in the basket you have to account for distance, arc, defenders, etc. It just shocks me sometimes how small the learning curve is for basketball games. Today I was playing with my little nephews in Live 10 and it was crazy how easy it was pick up and play the games.

They were playing the game and actually scoring on me by just mindlessly shooting and dribbling. They played with almost no regard for the defense. I ended up beating them in the end because Live 10 does require some skill to be effective but still it just didn't seem like enough. In every other game they asked me okay what are the controls but as soon as they fired up Live they jumped right in.

And there's something wrong with that to me because these games are simulations of basketball not some arcade games. So I feel like dribbling, shooting, playing d, etc need to definitely have more skill behind it.

And I feel this way not just because its my own personal opinion but also because irl you do need to be skilled to do those things too. So why aren't these games demanding more out of their players too you know? I mean adding animations or new AI is great but in the end if the game doesn't require much skill to play, those things won't show up as much imo.

When I get a dunk or hit a game winner I want to feel like I earned it because I was able to skillfully cause it to happen. Nothing hurts more when you know someone scored on you or defended you well without any skill involved. So I'm loving the fact that EA is trying to bring skill into the equation with Elite, because my feeling is this will bring us an even better simulation of playing bball.

[BiggD]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

A few concerns on what I've seen seen so far.

1/ am I going to be able to pull off the same moves with shaq and chris Paul just because I "twirl" the right stick the correct way??

2/ how is this really going to help my 5 on 5 game play more realistic.

More control is great and I think the controls are the future but I'm just worried that this is just another year of total reboot and not a build on the pros of what was a pretty solid game in live10

[dirtypuppet]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

A few concerns on what I've seen seen so far.

1/ am I going to be able to pull off the same moves with shaq and chris Paul just because I "twirl" the right stick the correct way??

2/ how is this really going to help my 5 on 5 game play more realistic.

More control is great and I think the controls are the future but I'm just worried that this is just another year of total reboot and not a build on the pros of what was a pretty solid game in live10

I'm all for a skill based game and think it's the way to go, but I do share the same concerns quoted here.

It's all in the implimentation. Good luck EA at getting the right balance.

[Mintsa]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

A few concerns on what I've seen seen so far.

1/ am I going to be able to pull off the same moves with shaq and chris Paul just because I "twirl" the right stick the correct way??

2/ how is this really going to help my 5 on 5 game play more realistic.

More control is great and I think the controls are the future but I'm just worried that this is just another year of total reboot and not a build on the pros of what was a pretty solid game in live10

That's what I'm wondering ???

If I take Shaq can I still do these moves ??

If I take Shaq and start shooting 3's (assuming I shoot it perfectly with the right stick) will the shot go in ?? If I really get the sweet spot down, can I hit a 3 with Shaq regularly ??

[dexvex]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

That's what I'm wondering ???

If I take Shaq can I still do these moves ??

If I take Shaq and start shooting 3's (assuming I shoot it perfectly with the right stick) will the shot go in ?? If I really get the sweet spot down, can I hit a 3 with Shaq regularly ??

Da_czar already said that won't be an issue.......

[Live Boii]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

A few concerns on what I've seen seen so far.

1/ am I going to be able to pull off the same moves with shaq and chris Paul just because I "twirl" the right stick the correct way??

2/ how is this really going to help my 5 on 5 game play more realistic.

More control is great and I think the controls are the future but I'm just worried that this is just another year of total reboot and not a build on the pros of what was a pretty solid game in live10

the physics will not allow for anyone to do the same moves. as it accounts for weight, speed, and momentum.

Also if you have been following the forums then you know that this is not a reboot. its a retool as far as the engine behind the game, but they have been very vocal in saying that they are building on what people love about live 10 and trying to rid the game of things we hated.

[mvb34]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

I have to play the demo before I have an opinion one way or another..

[Mintsa]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

I have to play the demo before I have an opinion one way or another..

You know what...that's a great point. Asking questions or assuming things is really pointless at this time. The best approach would be to just wait until the demo drops and test it out.

The two teams in the demo (did I just assume again ?? LOL) will have guards, wings, bigs etc. We can all test it out then & see who can do what.

[Live Boii]

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I absolutely love what EA is doing. i believe control is the wave of the future.

I hate the fact that when playing a Basketball sim from either company, i can somehow lose to people who do not put in any or as much time as i do. my friends would visit and we would play and just because they own a gaming system and learn the configuration they can become as good as i am in a matter of minutes.

this new form of control is going to separate the sim ballers from the cheesers. i mean when we watched the 7 min demo by the ea guy the game looked awesome. but then in the hands of guys who probably just pick up and play with previous iterations it looked terrible.

yes the were still making moves but one has to wonder how much can you do the thing that were seen in that video with a 5 man defense there to help and rotate.

yes ea might lose some credibility with the casual people in that sim ballers will now have a clear advantage.

but when a game that simulates basket ball gives you so much control that when you drive right its up to you to put the ball in your right hand or it will stay in you left hand. that game is unprecedented control wise.

[HoosierDaddy]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

am I going to be able to pull off the same moves with shaq and chris Paul just because I "twirl" the right stick the correct way??

We talked about this at the community day event. We all discussed that if bigger players try to do these moves one of two things could happen. 1) Players like Bosh, Boozer, etc.. can pull off these moves when they want to, but the pace at which they do them should be drastically slower than wing players. 2) Players like Shaq, Ilgauskas, Howard, etc.. when they try these moves they should lose control of the ball and be more likely to create a turnover.

How do you guys feel about that logic? Does it seem realistic to you?

[kumamae_33]

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Fair enough.


And I think it will be more realistic if players like Yao, Ilgauskas, and Shaq cannot leap as high as Chris Paul or Nate Robinson. I think the weight, age and height of a player should also be a factor in Elite 11 in determining the athleticism of the player.

[P-Dub]

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Yes and no to both points. I think big players should have a different animation package that is tied to their dribbling, ballhandling and quickness skills. I would like a threshhold that would cause them to lose the ball if they tried dribble moves too quickly, and too often, or during too much contact. So if I did a move slow enough on the right stick, I would not lose the ball. I think this should be applied to all players, actually.

[dexvex]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

We talked about this at the community day event. We all discussed that if bigger players try to do these moves one of two things could happen. 1) Players like Bosh, Boozer, etc.. can pull off these moves when they want to, but the pace at which they do them should be drastically slower than wing players. 2) Players like Shaq, Ilgauskas, Howard, etc.. when they try these moves they should lose control of the ball and be more likely to create a turnover.

How do you guys feel about that logic? Does it seem realistic to you?

I would rather them have different move sets like 2k but I don't think thats a reasonable expectation at least for this year........

[ParisB]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

We talked about this at the community day event. We all discussed that if bigger players try to do these moves one of two things could happen. 1) Players like Bosh, Boozer, etc.. can pull off these moves when they want to, but the pace at which they do them should be drastically slower than wing players. 2) Players like Shaq, Ilgauskas, Howard, etc.. when they try these moves they should lose control of the ball and be more likely to create a turnover.

How do you guys feel about that logic? Does it seem realistic to you?

That's good enough. It sort of depends though. Shaq CAN do a spin move, though, while posting up and rolling off the defender.

I don't mind the slower moves, but it also depends on the player. Yao is obviously a sloth compared to a Gasol or Boozer, and Gasol and Boozer are also slower moves than guards but not exactly cumbersome.

SPeaking of Gasol, he actually can dribble like a guard. He can do crossovers and such. In fact, there's a video where he ran a fast break where he had a sequence of a behind the back dribble, and then between the legs and a no look pass...lol. Obviously it wasn't as fast or smooth as a D-will, but he does have the capability.

[HoosierDaddy]

Re: What are your feelings on this new skill based gameplay?

I agree with what you guys are saying. Different packages would obviously solve this issue, however, I don't think it'd be possible to do such a thing this year (I may be wrong though?) Obviously with your back to the basket, these moves would change. I'm speaking on face-up moves from mid-range and bigger players trying to take their opponent off the dribble with such moves.

Problem is, majority of the players in the NBA CAN do these moves, but how often do you see them? I think that's where the balance needs to be.