NBA Elite 11 Video: Kevin Durant, Brandon Jennings & Stephen Curry Talk New Controls

[ParisB]

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Count me in. I don't know if i'm crazy or what, but I like what I'm seeing. I don't care if the net looks weird. I just love the idea of having this control at my disposal. I rather have control instead of good looking animations. They may be amazing, but if all I did was just press a button, I don't feel the challenge.

So keep up the good work!!

Amen to that. The video with the one EA employee giving examples of the moves at your disposal was pretty awesome.

I'll wait for the demo and test it out myself before saying I'm a day one buyer or skipping out completely. So far I think I'm optimistic and loving what I'm seeing.

I hope they stay on the full control path, and not start adding more canned sequences.

[Pared]

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I mean comone now, in some other interviews about the controls they said" the left stick controls your players feet and movement and the right stick is hand movement" yadayadayda, i guess they forgot it has always been like that! Thats nothing new!

Yes it is. RS controls your hands at all times, including offense and defense.

You guys won't understand until you play the game. Try to avoid posts like this because when you play it you will go "OH, that's what they mean," and then feel kind of silly.

The net animations look bad because it's one of the last things they are going to be working on. We already told them this, and that's why it looks the way it does.

And the shot contest attempts still look awkward... so I'm still holding out hope they will look better by the time the game goes final.

[qnzballa5]

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like i said i want them to prove me wrong but i doubt it, will the demo still be a work in progressed piece or will it be the complete piece of the puzzle to make the guys on the fence like me want to buy it? Will elite make this the year where you cant buy one without the other? I remember when i got 2k3 and live 03 and leaving the toys'rus and the security guard stamping my receipt and saying" you couldnt buy one without the other huh?" I wish it would be.

[blackflash83]

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Yes it is. RS controls your hands at all times, including offense and defense.

You guys won't understand until you play the game. Try to avoid posts like this because when you play it you will go "OH, that's what they mean," and then feel kind of silly.

The net animations look bad because it's one of the last things they are going to be working on. We already told them this, and that's why it looks the way it does.

And the shot contest attempts still look awkward... so I'm still holding out hope they will look better by the time the game goes final.

There are a number of placeholder animations in the game right now which is why you are seeing a lot of awkward animations. A lot of that stuff is going to get fixed. Still LOTS of work left to be done and you will see the improvements in future videos we put out.

[JayNoc]

*LOL* This is the reason why I love EA. They put out videos they made months ago and they actually want YOU to criticize whatever is wrong with the game. For once they are being smart. They planned this sh*t. They put out crappy graphics, hold out on special info and take a beating with criticism over their gameplay videos which is a "Work In Progress". We are basically telling them how to make their game . They never had a game this far in development and telling us what you want us to put in it? That stage should already be over. Also, a demo a month before the game comes out? That means that there will be mass criticism and they can easily tweek the game in a 2 week period and it comes out even sharper.

With the new engine that is being implemented, it will be even easier to bring out a patch within 2-3 weeks. With 2K's engine, you won't see a patch until Christmas which is almost a 2 or 3 month wait. So, that's 4 or 5 patches for NBA ELITE to 2K's 1 or 2 patches. (Lets hope we don't see this many patches for both games) With the edition of BE A PRO and Online League, I can definitely see myself buying NBA ELITE This year. HANDS DOWN. I was impressed with the gameplay video, but I also know that those simple mistakes shown in the video can be FIXED easily.

[shadox]

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Just my 2 cents to this whole topic:

1.) thx for all the dev feedback.
2.) people,please don't forget what this is about. The video was meant to show ONE thing (and ONE thing only): Controls.
The WIP sign isn't shown for pure fun, but to underline that it was a capture with a predetermined purpose.
No offense, but rasing the same comments/questions about bad/unfinished animations aren't really fair to the devs.

On the one hand, everyone here wants to see as much as possible as early as possible.But one we get it, we start to complain about things that may not be in the build shown.

I love the fact that on this part of OS, very much everyone tries to be as constructive as possible and have good intentions by complaining about small details.
But we should have seen in other ends of this forum where things can go with random complaints about stuff not being the current topic.

Furtheremore, if you think about the producers perspective, I would really reconsider showing early videos if my potential customers may be turned down by things that aren't implemented in the video or even not finished at all.

3.) I fully understand the "give and get" situation between total control and fluid animations...and for my part, I couldn't care less about visuals not being THAT perfect when the game is balanced and plays smoothly.
(Not to mention that the looks aren't bad at all)
I not only like this because I prefere this approach of creating a videogame, but I also like the fact that this creates a bigger diversification between the two competitors for basketball games.

Thx for reading and sorry if this may be hard to read, english is just my second language

[idrisguitar]

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this generation, ea sports is on the ball (except madden.....seriously that still leaves me totally confused)

but yeah first fifa and nhl, and now this game. even if it doesn't turn out as good as those two, at least you are truly trying to change the game and improve video game basketball properly.

i loved 2k, but it is simply just a last gen game with updated graphics and more modes. (and more glitches )

as long as everyone gives constructive criticism to EA then everything is great, because you KNOW there is a demo coming. so poeople coming in here and saying "omg my god that video sucks im not getting the game" are just pathetic, because firstly it helps noone, and secondly, why rule it out when they are literally letting you try it for free when its ready!!!!

i love the fact there are EA reps on this forum actively posting. and personally im very optimistic about this game. i dont care about some rough animations and rough graphics, if the gameplay genuinely feels fresh and playable. (which i kind of thought live 10 AND 2k10 wasn't)

bball is my favourite sport, but a bball game has not made choose it over fifa/nhl/mlb the show for years now. and i personally would love the reinvention to be a succsessful one.

[joel0078]

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hey reanimator, i just wanted to mention that i am in full support of what you are guys are doing. I have no problem sacrificing pretty looking animations for more control. other basketball games have looked very pretty but the control is terrible. I think that in the great sports games like mlb 10, fifa, you definitely have some unrealistic looking movements but in the end you overlook it because the responsiveness and control is so much better. I always prefer gameplay over eye candy so please dont listen to anybody saying you should put in more animations/put more frames in to blending animations which will sacrifice control. I want to play a video game not watch a basketball game.

If this is how you feel, you can probably find an old colecovision console on ebay, and you could spend your days playing endless matches of pacman and donkey kong. Of course graphics and animations matter! They don't necessarily make or break a game, but let's be real here, you can't have an enjoyable basketball video game without having realistic animations to make it believable. I don't care how good the controls are. If you just wanna have fun and you don't care about that stuff, go play double dribble. It had terrible graphics and even worse animations, but it was super fun.

We live in a day of age where these things do matter and they are expected to be up to par, simultaneously. This isn't 1986 or even 1996, where the technology was limited and or different back then. Those games, for that time period, were great, but with the the advances in technology that are available today, there isn't one reason why a consumer wouldn't expect to have the best of graphics, animations and controls. I can deal with sub par graphics, but player movement and animations on and off ball have to be believable these days. And if they're not, stand by to continue being #2.

[joel0078]

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The last thing we need is to follow 2k's path.

You're hysterical. Since you mentioned 2k, I'll say this.....It's all good if you don't like 2k, to each his own. I've purchased both games every year, for the last 8 years... When you say "last thing they need to do is follow 2k's path" do you mean, sell 3 million copies or do you mean to be consistently reviewed (subjective of course) as the best basketball video game on the market??

Anyhow, for the sake of this thread, Paris, keep 2k out of it. If you wanna talk about 2k, go to the 2k forums.

[©roke]

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You're hysterical. Since you mentioned 2k, I'll say this.....It's all good if you don't like 2k, to each his own. I've purchased both games every year, for the last 8 years... When you say "last thing they need to do is follow 2k's path" do you mean, sell 3 million copies or do you mean to be consistently reviewed (subjective of course) as the best basketball video game on the market??

Anyhow, for the sake of this thread, Paris, keep 2k out of it. If you wanna talk about 2k, go to the 2k forums.

I think Paris wants 2 different bball games. Key word, different. That way, everyone can choose the game he likes more (or like you, buy both).

[Pared]

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You're hysterical. Since you mentioned 2k, I'll say this.....It's all good if you don't like 2k, to each his own. I've purchased both games every year, for the last 8 years... When you say "last thing they need to do is follow 2k's path" do you mean, sell 3 million copies or do you mean to be consistently reviewed (subjective of course) as the best basketball video game on the market??

Anyhow, for the sake of this thread, Paris, keep 2k out of it. If you wanna talk about 2k, go to the 2k forums.

Calm down. I didn't read that comment as a slight.

He's right. I personally don't want two exact titles on the market. That's the way this genre was going last year.

They both need to offer their own experience while respecting the NBA and the sport of basketball. That's all. Of course the goal is to be successful in the market and that's obviously not what one should be saying.

[ParisB]

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I think Paris wants 2 different bball games. Key word, different. That way, everyone can choose the game he likes more (or like you, buy both).

Exactly

After seeing FIFA and NHL series start bringing it, I'm cautiously excited about the new direction of Elite, with amazing controls and real time physics.

What I didn't want to see happen is for Elite to head the other way, by adding layers and layers of animations and canned sequences and dice rolls Live 10 had nice additions like freestyle passing and solid AI, but canned animations and such were annoying, but it seems that a lot of people prefer it.

I like what the other game has to offer, but I prefer a different direction and don't want to play a different version of the same game. That's all.

Ideally I want to keep buying both and playing whichever I'm in the mood for that day and know I will be getting good basketball but different experiences.

[dwade3]

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Nba Live 10 was PERFECT... the only i hated was lack to animation and automatic crossovers... now they changed to manual crossovers.

The BEST thing live 10 was interior defence... in nba 2k10 i can dunk whenever i want but in nba live 10 u cant dunk unless u earn it.

[kingpnp]

I don't think they need anybody telling them how to do their jobs. No offense, but they do programming for a living and know what they're doing and have the appropriate people involved in all facets.

Hey, they're adding real time physics and unprecedented control to the User...let's just be happy with their vision and progress

The last thing we need is to follow 2k's path.

actually they do need someone to give them hints and tips. thats what these blogs/forums are for. why do you think he's on here talking? just maybe we will say something he could take to the bank and make a slight change that could be huge. you never know. thats the beauty of the internet. and just because he does programming for a living and i dont. doesn't mean he couldn't use my help. i dont know if you know this but there are other people in his team that dont do programming at all and probably dont know much about it. but guess what? they still give input. usually they give a vision and the programmers have to tell them how much of that vision is feasible. and then the programmers are asked to go a little above that. even though the non programmer manager doesn't know programming inside and out(he could/she could, but doesn't have to ). next thing you know the Ea programmers are making the best game of their lives. much better then what they originally stated they COULD make. this happens all the time. on the flip side a wack product comes out with a big wig pushing to hard not knowing what the heck he/she is talking about and trying to force the issue. thats where the garbage in, garbage out comes from.

if he told me what he was doing in "programmer" speak. I would understand him. i just haven't been up on programming since i was a little kid. but the basics never change. most thing are IF, then statements. its even like that with Excel formulas. thats comes from a computer language called "BASIC". i was programming in basic and translating old school apple IIc programs into Commodore 64 programs. commodore=pc, when i was in the 4th grade. i just got off of it because my computer broke a few years later and i didn't really get back into computers until high school a hint (autocad) and then into college, but even then i was messing around on the internet and that was that. I produce music via my computer. but before it blew up. i was doing it all computer based while everyone else was paying $60/hr for studio time. so maybe you should ask me who i am before you tell me, not to SUGGEST to an EA programmer what COULD possibly be done to help us all.

i'm just trying to help or at the very least get a good understanding why things are the way they are. he broke some stuff down that i didnt think about until he said it. without my questions and suggestions. that breakdown may have never happened.

[kingpnp]

Just my 2 cents to this whole topic:

1.) thx for all the dev feedback.
2.) people,please don't forget what this is about. The video was meant to show ONE thing (and ONE thing only): Controls.
The WIP sign isn't shown for pure fun, but to underline that it was a capture with a predetermined purpose.
No offense, but rasing the same comments/questions about bad/unfinished animations aren't really fair to the devs.

On the one hand, everyone here wants to see as much as possible as early as possible.But one we get it, we start to complain about things that may not be in the build shown.

I love the fact that on this part of OS, very much everyone tries to be as constructive as possible and have good intentions by complaining about small details.
But we should have seen in other ends of this forum where things can go with random complaints about stuff not being the current topic.

Furtheremore, if you think about the producers perspective, I would really reconsider showing early videos if my potential customers may be turned down by things that aren't implemented in the video or even not finished at all.

3.) I fully understand the "give and get" situation between total control and fluid animations...and for my part, I couldn't care less about visuals not being THAT perfect when the game is balanced and plays smoothly.
(Not to mention that the looks aren't bad at all)
I not only like this because I prefere this approach of creating a videogame, but I also like the fact that this creates a bigger diversification between the two competitors for basketball games.

Thx for reading and sorry if this may be hard to read, english is just my second language

hey i'm with you. on i would rather have gameplay that Pretty play. this reminds me of an old game who used that same logic as far as using a meter to tell you when to release the shot. it was made by 989 sports. that game me and a friend of mine were live homers back then. we still rented that game. and loved it. most people that came thru hated it beause he looked awful in comparison to the big name games. but we loved the fact that what you tried to do with the controller it responded. vs half the stuff being pre animated events that you cant get out of in nba live(which we loved). so i get it. more people love pretty over actual game play. But if you have EA money. you cant do both. you may need to take another month one year to do right. so be it. i would rather you miss the launch deadline and make the best game ever, that we will be hooked on for the next 10 years. then to rush it as usual make the launch deadline and come in 2nd place to 2k(not in sales, but in QUALITY).

you make these game sim properly and what you will start to see are coaches using it in high school, college, and even the pros(scouts etc). they already do this with college football and madden. i told my friends this 10 years ago. they didn't believe it would ever happen. i said watch, we will one day be the 30+ something year olds coaching these kids, young guys. we grew up on live, madden, (bill walsh football LOL). so thats all we know. we will be the ones implementing this stuff into the locker room some how. they do it with nascar. making this game great will be great for EA all the way around.